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| 183532 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 1 | MarkA | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T12:29:15-0400 | Not wanting to start drama, but wanted to get some of your experiences dealing with Pavel. I’ve been thinking of getting one of his boards, as San Diego legend that makes amazing boards, but I’ve heard some rumors that don’t seem cool. For me the boards and shapers who make the boards I own are very personal and a refection of my style. I’m a brand/shaper loyalist and the type of board you ride or carry under your arm represents you. Their names are displayed on the board and I wouldn’t want to be representing someone or something that’s not cool to people or the spirit of surfing. |
| 183536 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 2 | SMUKES | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T12:43:41-0400 | Makes magical surfboards somehow which is weird cuz he doesn't surf per se. Lots and lots of the best fish surfers in the world straight up say his fish are unsurpassed. However... Lol, I'd get a mitsven or something else. To be honest the odds of you being able to get an actual real one are close to zero. |
| 183545 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 3 | poidog | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T13:27:08-0400 | "He doesn't surf per se" made me cough a carrot chunk up into my right nostril. Worth the pain. |
| 183550 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 4 | Ricksurfin | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T13:59:31-0400 | I’ve got friends that have had terrible experiences with him. Enough that I’d personally steer clear. |
| 183557 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 5 | SMUKES | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T14:19:29-0400 | I went to him for one in the early 90's. He was hilarious. We talked for 2 hours and became friends. At the end of our conversation he said: "Yeah... Mike... If I were you I'd just get one from Josh, his are great too and he can shape it tomorrow." Good advice. He makes a lot of people really angry, there's a feeling among some that he doesn't deserve the accolades. The problem is, the accolades. They are known to be "special". |
| 183558 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 6 | kcl | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T14:20:00-0400 | There's guys on this board that know him/knew him personally, but I think he only shapes in Japan now if MS Surf's Instagram is to be believed. I've had 10 or so Pavels, all secondhand, and the Dialers/fish are no joke. Other boards, perhaps, I think there's better interpretations on certain shapes, but the fish are the real deal. |
| 183560 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 7 | JMJackFish | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T14:40:06-0400 | Have or have had boards and in particular fish from Toby, Mabile, Mitsven, Josh, Skip and others. The boards from him were mid pack in my opinion. Nothing "special" but a good board for sure. Each of them have their moments and some connect more with my surf style than the others. I agree with Smukes that there are others that could make you a great sled without the drama. |
| 183562 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 8 | eggrider | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T15:04:00-0400 | Does he live in Japan? |
| 183570 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 9 | SMUKES | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T15:39:34-0400 | He lives everywhere, and nowhere, he is in all things yet no things. He is the wind in the trees and dew upon the fields, the smile of the babe and the laughter of the dog. He is Toby. He is Ritchie. |
| 183585 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 10 | Mango Bill | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T19:51:16-0400 | SMUKES said: He lives everywhere, and nowhere, he is in all things yet no things. He is the wind in the trees and dew upon the fields, the smile of the babe and the laughter of the dog. He is Toby. He is Ritchie. Click to expand... If you said that in the Ron Burgundy Voice and his name was Baxter instead of Toby |
| 183587 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 11 | SMUKES | Sep 4, 2020 | 2020-09-04T19:57:09-0400 | Sorsum Corda |
| 183597 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 12 | garagefull | Sep 5, 2020 | 2020-09-04T23:44:20-0400 | SMUKES said: "Yeah... Mike... If I were you I'd just get one from Josh, his are great too and he can shape it tomorrow." Click to expand... My first thought was, this is why I love the surf industry. Where else could someone get away with this shit? My second thought was, I'm glad I didn't pull the trigger on the fish he was going to shape for me. I have to admit I was under his spell as I watched him eat his lunch and listen to him describe the details of the shape he had in mind. |
| 183598 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 13 | SMUKES | Sep 5, 2020 | 2020-09-04T23:55:28-0400 | It is exactly why we love the surf industry. Cuz, you know, it ain't industrial. |
| 183650 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 14 | dubhulloh7 | Sep 6, 2020 | 2020-09-06T01:23:24-0400 | If you're looking for a Pavel, get in contact with DJ Kane and ask him to shape you a fish. He shaped for Pavel for years. He's based in o-side. |
| 183655 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 15 | Planktom | Sep 6, 2020 | 2020-09-06T08:35:32-0400 | Yes, Dennis makes a great fish, 100% agree... |
| 183656 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 16 | Veterano | Sep 6, 2020 | 2020-09-06T10:55:40-0400 | You will never get a Pavel. Just go up to SB and plunk down big $ on a ghost scrubbed "Pavel" from Trim Crap. |
| 183688 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 17 | shapewright | Sep 6, 2020 | 2020-09-06T16:48:21-0400 | I hesitate to jump on Rich, he insisted to Royce Cansler that I be included in the Billabong Art of Shaping event in 2009. I would win the event. But On the flip side of the coin is the lackadaisical air of how he hurts his reputation and walks away from clients who have paid hefty amounts up front for one of his boards. Rich is clueless to how close he come to getting his arms broken. A client paid him 1500.00$ deposit for 3 speed diapers, this client a black belt Aikido and Karate hired a PI to follow Rich. He got a call Rich is at this place, call him now. He talked to him, met at Moonlight and pulled another clients card off a Dialer and shaped it for him and then paid for the glass job, he never got the other 2. A Hawaii dealer of mine gave him 5 grand deposit on 10 Dialers, he NEVER delivered. Each time Rich lands at a new shop to work out of, I send off the info to Hawaii, he has promised to make good, NEVER |
| 183692 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 18 | Veterano | Sep 6, 2020 | 2020-09-06T17:52:18-0400 | I got to know Toby pretty well and I never understood why he conducted his buisness this way. Sad. |
| 183695 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 19 | Planktom | Sep 6, 2020 | 2020-09-06T18:01:34-0400 | I guess this is the wrong time to mention that I'm picking up a brand new Pavel this week? Haha... Well, it's about ten years old, half glassed, needs finishing.... There's a story behind it and all I will say is that the shop it's coming from are glad to see the back of it. It appears to be a global thing with Toby... I wonder how he gets on in Japan? That kind of flakiness does not go down well over there at all.... On the flipside, I've heard stories of generosity and kindness and even a spur-of-the-moment handshaped fish whilst the recipient watched. |
| 183715 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 20 | SMUKES | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-06T21:16:43-0400 | Speed Diaper model name for the fuckin win |
| 183717 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 21 | dubstar | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-06T21:34:56-0400 | I have a 6'7 and 6'8 both customs and a 10' eagle used. I'll never sell them but I wouldn't order another one because of the issues. Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 183718 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 22 | SMUKES | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-06T21:36:59-0400 | Even one called The Speed Diaper? |
| 183721 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 23 | Big D | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-06T23:20:33-0400 | I've had several conversations with Rich through the years. They've always have been very positive and he can be very charismatic. Only problem is that his reputation is not unwarranted (speaking from personal experience, along with working for a shop that dealt with him years ago.) It's the Rich charm. On a side note, while standing in line at Pipe's Cafe years ago I was having a conversation with an "industry" person where he was pontificating as to why people should just "understand" that Mr. Pavel is eccentric and an apparent shaping giant, so he's afforded the opportunity to be aloof. The icing on the cake was that he revealed to me that Rich was also a MENSA member. I remember saying something to the effect that for a genius he sure acts like a dumb ass. The person standing behind us spit water all over our backs and starting laughing as he was listening to the conversation the whole time. He revealed he currently had a deposit down on a board for the last 10 months and couldn't get a hold of him. To this day I'd be willing to bet that he's still waiting for that board. |
| 183729 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 24 | Veterano | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-07T07:42:24-0400 | SMUKES said: Speed Diaper model name for the fuckin win Click to expand... Sometimes auto correct comes up gold. |
| 183731 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 25 | Roadmaster | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-07T08:13:24-0400 | In the early 1980's I ordered a fish From Pavel. A friend of mine, Luke Hill, knew him and had several knee board fish from him and Steve Lis. Luke gave me his phone number and I ordered a stand up fish, a 5'8" stringer less with a blue foam spray bottom. I still have this board and it has the Steve Lis design label on the bottom with Choise on the deck. He was very nice on the phone, friendly and professional. He mentioned he had a used Lis, that Steve shaped for himself as a longer, 5'6" knee fish but did not like it and offered it to me. I snapped it up agreed to the price for the Lis and the custom. Got the boards 6 weeks later, one of the smoothest transactions for a custom order. Course this was long ago and I am glad I still have the custom. I sold the Lis about 20 years ago for big bucks to a collector in Japan. Not sure how it came up but during our phone chat, he said his nickname, Toby came from running away from home in his youth. His friends started calling him Toby after the Disney movie Toby Tyler joins the circus. Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 183777 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 26 | waveglider619 | Sep 7, 2020 | 2020-09-07T15:11:05-0400 | Roadmaster said: Not sure how it came up but during our phone chat, he said his nickname, Toby came from running away from home in his youth. His friends started calling him Toby after the Disney movie Toby Tyler joins the circus. View attachment 23588 Click to expand... Maybe a clue to his perceived flakiness... |
| 183813 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 27 | surfore | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T00:42:18-0400 | Veterano said: Sometimes auto correct comes up gold. Click to expand... Yes it does...More likely it was written as it was intended. |
| 183820 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 28 | Matt barracuda | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T09:10:53-0400 | Interesting conversation/comments about Rich Pavel. As a surfboard industry guy for over 30 years (Airbrush/pinlines), I’ve met and known a lot of them personally. Some are and quite on the genius spectrum but that also comes with dealing with life’s hardships and complexes. Two guys I’m sure of; Mike Croutau (originally from San Diego then to Santa Cruz) (RIP) and Will Jobson (famous for the twinzer fin set up) Both of these guys could of easily been rocket scientist. |
| 183821 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 29 | Veterano | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T09:16:46-0400 | Have not thought of Croutau for years. MAJOR builder NS/SC in the 70s. I had 2 of his boards back then. Good guy. RIP. |
| 183828 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 30 | C- Gull | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T10:45:36-0400 | Got a couple Pavel boards about 8years ago ! It took a few months and a few trippy Conversations with Rich lol! He had Elizabeth who worked for him in the green room shop. He needs her back !!!! she really got him organized for a little while and the boards are choice no pun intended Lol ! |
| 183832 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 31 | hankster | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T10:59:27-0400 | Matt Micuda said: Interesting conversation/comments about Rich Pavel. As a surfboard industry guy for over 30 years (Airbrush/pinlines), I've met and known a lot of them personally. Some are and quite on the genius spectrum but that also comes with dealing with life's hardships and complexes. Two guys I'm sure of; Mike Croutau (originally from San Diego then to Santa Cruz) (RIP) and Will Jobson (famous for the twinzer fin set up) Both of these guys could of easily been rocket scientist. Click to expand... There truly is a fine line between genius and madness. I'm lucky to have a few Jobson Twinzers in the quiver. Last I heard, Wil (single L) isn't doing so well. |
| 183835 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 32 | ltdgvt | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T12:27:18-0400 | MarkA said: Not wanting to start drama, but wanted to get some of your experiences dealing with Pavel. I've been thinking of getting one of his boards, as San Diego legend that makes amazing boards, but I've heard some rumors that don't seem cool. For me the boards and shapers who make the boards I own are very personal and a refection of my style. I'm a brand/shaper loyalist and the type of board you ride or carry under your arm represents you. Their names are displayed on the board and I wouldn't want to be representing someone or something that's not cool to people or the spirit of surfing. Click to expand... Nobody is "that" special. |
| 183839 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 33 | DanSan | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T13:20:53-0400 | hankster said: There truly is a fine line between genius and madness. " the sort of malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament" Click to expand... |
| 183844 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 34 | SMUKES | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T13:33:30-0400 | "Low grade narcolepsy, and a penchant for buggery" |
| 183849 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 35 | xyzzy | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T14:25:42-0400 | Best fish I've ever ridden |
| 183856 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 36 | Planktom | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T15:13:09-0400 | SMUKES said: "Low grade narcolepsy, and a penchant for buggery" Click to expand... Hey, stop sharing my medical notes |
| 183857 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 37 | Planktom | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T15:15:34-0400 | SMUKES said: "Low grade narcolepsy, and a penchant for buggery" Click to expand... Or just a lazy chestnut? Ha |
| 183867 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 38 | SMUKES | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T16:25:58-0400 | Pretty standard stuff really |
| 183868 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 39 | JMJackFish | Sep 8, 2020 | 2020-09-08T16:39:09-0400 | The details of my life are quite inconsequential. |
| 183901 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 40 | Big D | Sep 9, 2020 | 2020-09-08T23:27:52-0400 | Last time I spoke with Rich he made the outrageous claim that he invented the question mark... |
| 184052 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 41 | Latte | Sep 10, 2020 | 2020-09-10T19:09:23-0400 | Probably the fastest I have ever been on a board was my 6'10" Pavel Quad...I liked him but it took him 3 months to cash the check I gave him |
| 184112 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 42 | Artz | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T14:23:53-0400 | SMUKES said: He lives everywhere, and nowhere, he is in all things yet no things. He is the wind in the trees and dew upon the fields, the smile of the babe and the laughter of the dog. He is Toby. He is Ritchie. Click to expand... Mostly hiding from people he owes money to and or Boards. A number of Glass shops in and around San Diego demand money up front, from him. The guy has talent. His shaping in spot on. I have seen some guns he made for Mexico they were beautiful. I also like his Bonzers. If he were better with the business end of things Pavel could be killing it now. Right up there with all the top shapers that are so in demand. Over the years he has burned a lot of Bridges. You can get a machined shaped Pavel under the Rainbow Surfboards label. Mitches Surf Shop in LaJolla and Solana Beach keep a lot of them in Stock. |
| 184116 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 43 | Planktom | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T15:22:11-0400 | ... Or is it all done by design. 'The greatest trick the Toby ever pulled, was making the world believe that he did not exist....' |
| 184122 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 44 | SMUKES | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T15:55:12-0400 | "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was when he did that method air that one time." |
| 184126 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 45 | Ricksurfin | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T16:21:56-0400 | I thought his biggest trick was stealing money without a gun. |
| 184134 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 46 | Big D | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T18:10:33-0400 | That face you make when you just realized you shook on a deal with Rich... Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 184138 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 47 | SMUKES | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T18:57:35-0400 | Hahaha |
| 184141 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 48 | Veterano | Sep 11, 2020 | 2020-09-11T19:23:23-0400 | Big D said: Last time I spoke with Rich he made the outrageous claim that he invented the question mark... Click to expand... How very Trumpian of him. |
| 184173 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 49 | Planktom | Sep 12, 2020 | 2020-09-12T04:27:13-0400 | Nobel prize on its way! |
| 184179 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 50 | SeniorGrom | Sep 12, 2020 | 2020-09-12T09:48:27-0400 | Fair is fair......who invented the internet? |
| 184234 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 51 | JMJackFish | Sep 13, 2020 | 2020-09-12T21:13:04-0400 | gore |
| 184238 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 52 | B2Lose | Sep 13, 2020 | 2020-09-12T21:25:21-0400 | I was fortunate enough to actually get him to pen a chunk of a piece I worked on. Felt like a minor miracle. (Originally in Slide Surf Mag) The Pendarvis Experience By Rich Pavel Steve Pendarvis is an individual within a community of individuals. My impressions grow from knowing the Brythonic Celtic clan of the Pendarvis family of creatives from which Steve hails. His brother Larry was a pioneer of the "Back to the land” movement up in Oregon. Joyce- a super-cool, sweet and principled mom. Sister Patrice has made a very fine reputation for herself and lives as an artist on the same sacred outer-island where my surfshop “The Greenroom” was founded in 1970. One of my favorite early boards was one he built for Patty. I remember so many things about the household. The heady and hilarious wrestling bouts on the backyard lawn amongst the lads between laminations and followed by hot coats. It was the era of backyard soul, homegrown and anti-establishment. Non-commercial boards were the only type allowed in the lineup. Boards were started at dusk and were then surfed at dawn in your trusted "Surf & Sea" wetsuit- your suit still cold, wet and sandy from the prior evening’s session. Having the creation of your board inseminated with the DNA drawn from that week’s running ground swell was all that mattered. You lived for total involvement. Acetone, catalyst, resin fumes and dust wafted through the air out back. Music cranked on vinyl spinning to accompany the open and often revolving door policy on the way in. Always an impressive cast of talent hanging out. Some of the early peak memories were like bonfire epics burning around week long orgies of "Wibbulator" flex-board building, applications and installations. Anybody from Billy Greta or the Biehls to Mike McDonald and the Pleskunas' or the ever gifted Rick "Ziggy" Vorce were likely luminaries found within the applied science compound/bohemian think-tank of the Pendarvis family property. It was a little like when I was liv… |
| 184245 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 53 | SMUKES | Sep 13, 2020 | 2020-09-12T22:23:07-0400 | Rich Pavel is an enigmatic character whose arc exists within, and without the sacred, mysterious and banal narrative of the ancient and oft maligned fables we tell ourselves, as we sit cross-legged around the smoldering fires of our collective consciousness. |
| 184339 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 54 | Veterano | Sep 14, 2020 | 2020-09-14T08:09:02-0400 | here, here. |
| 184352 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 55 | SMUKES | Sep 14, 2020 | 2020-09-14T10:51:27-0400 | SMUKES said: Rich Pavel is an enigmatic character whose arc exists within, and without the sacred, mysterious and banal narrative of the ancient and oft maligned fables we tell ourselves, as we sit cross-legged around the smoldering fires of our collective consciousness. Click to expand... If Sam George and Dave Parmenter had sex, thats what it would sound like. |
| 184374 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 56 | Planktom | Sep 14, 2020 | 2020-09-14T15:15:20-0400 | Hahaha! |
| 184396 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 57 | Fubar | Sep 14, 2020 | 2020-09-14T18:49:22-0400 | That is spot on. How hard is it to listen to Dave Parmenter on surfing podcasts? Very. You cannot hit shuffle fast enough. |
| 184431 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 58 | SMUKES | Sep 15, 2020 | 2020-09-15T00:00:18-0400 | I couldn't get thru 5 minutes, I wanted to shoot myself in the face. He touted himself as a film historian at one point. "Where's that pistol? " "I think Fury Road is honestly the greatest film ever made" he said. "Its perfect" he said. Fuck me runnin. |
| 184441 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 59 | Veterano | Sep 15, 2020 | 2020-09-15T08:00:24-0400 | DP has more cred than MeMe. There, I said it. |
| 253921 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 60 | esteban del solar | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-12T20:19:15-0400 | He has a bad reputation going back many yrs..him and i started backyard shaping many yrs ago. He is different that is for sure. You can lump his boards into the hundreds of others and they work well enough. The guy is was surely funded by his wealthy father who was an oral surgeon,good luck to him as he found his passion and made a career out of it. |
| 253922 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 61 | esteban del solar | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-12T20:22:31-0400 | SMUKES said: I couldn't get thru 5 minutes, I wanted to shoot myself in the face. He touted himself as a film historian at one point. "Where's that pistol? " "I think Fury Road is honestly the greatest film ever made" he said. "Its perfect" he said. Fuck me runnin. Click to expand... |
| 253923 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 62 | esteban del solar | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-12T20:23:53-0400 | Yes, its true..the guy doesnt surf....I never saw him in the water the 30 yrs he was in San Diego. |
| 253959 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 63 | FMC3 | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-13T12:12:23-0400 | Mitch's got a few Choice Pipeliners recently. One left . . . only $2500! https://www.mitchssurfshop.com/fly.aspx?layout=product&taxid=868&menuid=868&pid=2225 |
| 253962 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 64 | Planktom | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-13T12:20:09-0400 | Well, that is right up my street.... Even at that price, I would be seriously tempted if I was in SoCal |
| 254000 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 65 | thomas | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-13T17:44:21-0400 | No doubt, those boards are killer... |
| 254007 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 66 | Glide&Flow | Jul 13, 2022 | 2022-07-13T19:03:24-0400 | Holy crapnuts that board's a fuggin beauty! |
| 254016 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 67 | FMC3 | Jul 14, 2022 | 2022-07-13T20:21:20-0400 | Planktom said: Well, that is right up my street.... Even at that price, I would be seriously tempted if I was in SoCal Click to expand... Yeah, if it was 9'6" x 3 1/8" - ish, I could see myself having a conversation with the little devil standing on my shoulder . . . . |
| 254069 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 68 | mac33 | Jul 14, 2022 | 2022-07-14T12:45:46-0400 | esteban del solar said: Yes, its true..the guy doesnt surf....I never saw him in the water the 30 yrs he was in San Diego. Click to expand... That's not true, I've seen Rich surf first hand in Bali when he lived there and he's quite good, Smooth clean surfing on a glider |
| 254071 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 69 | Planktom | Jul 14, 2022 | 2022-07-14T13:07:16-0400 | Smukes was talking about Parmenter I think |
| 254118 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 70 | trucker | Jul 15, 2022 | 2022-07-14T22:52:57-0400 | About 15 or so years ago I was shaping a few fish in my garage and I wanted some inspiration, so I walked into the Greenroom late in the afternoon. I was eyeing boards when Rich saw me and asked, “Are you shaping a board?” I said yep, and he said, “Come back with a notebook and your measuring tools.” I did, and he stayed in the shop for well over an hour after it closed that night going over every measurement on a speed dialer, showing me how to mark everything on the blank, in what order to do every step, etc., and having me take detailed notes. He then said, “when you get your board back from the glasser, bring it in and I’ll go over it with you.” So, a month later, I walked in with a fresh home shaped fish, and he spent another 45 min or so going over my board in detail with me, showing me what I got right and helping me see specific things I could better anticipate next time, how to improve my process, etc. For the next several years, we’d chat (one time he talked my parents’ ears off for a while when my dad was buying flip flops in the Green Room, again well after the shop should have been closed for the day). The Greenroom eventually closed for good, and he left San Diego. Several years ago, I ran into Rich at my corner coffee shop on my way into work. This is when he had the huge beard. I was thinking, “Man, that guy looks just like Rich Pavel!” He jumped up, bought me a cup of coffee & we hung out & talked boards for a while before I had to get into work. That repeated every single morning for a week, and then he disappeared from OB again. I’ve never bought a board from him because when he owned the Green Room I only rode boards that I shaped. My experience with Rich is that he was incredibly generous with his time & knowledge (and coffee). |
| 254303 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 71 | Veterano | Jul 17, 2022 | 2022-07-17T08:43:22-0400 | That's Toby. Catch him on the right day and he's pretty amazing. And I've surfed with him. |
| 254322 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 72 | Bruce Fowler | Jul 17, 2022 | 2022-07-17T12:44:08-0400 | "The icing on the cake was that he revealed to me that Rich was also a MENSA member. I remember saying something to the effect that for a genius he sure acts like a dumb ass." ......do you really wanna go there with this kind of Tom Foolery? The fact is there are a scant 56k Mensa members in the United States (about 110K worldwide) representing the upper 2% of IQ having an accepted score on the Stanford-Binet of 132. The Cattell is 148 and it is 130 on the Wechsler test. Most IQ tests are designed to yield a mean score of 100 with a std. deviation of 15. The 98th percentile score is under these conditions is 131, assuming a normal distribution. The average IQ in USA is 98. The easiest way to determine if someone is a Mensa member is ask them to show you their card. However, IF I show you my Mensa card, then I have to kill you. Many people wonder who is Mensa when it comes to celebrities & public figures. Bill Clinton, Sharon Stone, Geena Davis...... of these three, Geena is the only card holding member. One of the highst IQ celebrities on the planet is......... Kate Beckinsale. At a younger age, she tested around 152 or 156. At one point in time she stated in an interview that her intelligence had a negative impact on her career until she finally got some breaks in epic films like "Pearl Harbor" and then the "Underworld" & "Van Helsing" series. It is plausible that Pavel may be in the uppper 15% of Americans in IQ, however the supposition that high IQ equates to ""Genius" is somewhat fleeting. In recent times, we've seen how Americans have embraced an utter disdain for logic or fact checking preferring to rally around emotional rhetoric oddly reminiscent to Hitler's rise to power, Putin's current "special military operation" or Trump's attempted coup of January 6th. Many Americans appear to be mimicking or doing a damn good impersonation of lemmings racing toward the cliff. I have witnessed Toby (on Vimeo) purporting to be highly intelligent while co… |
| 254331 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 73 | Big D | Jul 17, 2022 | 2022-07-17T14:17:11-0400 | Bruce Fowler said: "The icing on the cake was that he revealed to me that Rich was also a MENSA member. I remember saying something to the effect that for a genius he sure acts like a dumb ass." ......do you really wanna go there with this kind of Tom Foolery? The fact is there are a scant 56k Mensa members in the United States (about 110K worldwide) representing the upper 2% of IQ having an accepted score on the Stanford-Binet of 132. The Cattell is 148 and it is 130 on the Wechsler test. Most IQ tests are designed to yield a mean score of 100 with a std. deviation of 15. The 98th percentile score is under these conditions is 131, assuming a normal distribution. The average IQ in USA is 98. The easiest way to determine if someone is a Mensa member is ask them to show you their card. However, IF I show you my Mensa card, then I have to kill you. Many people wonder who is Mensa when it comes to celebrities & public figures. Bill Clinton, Sharon Stone, Geena Davis...... of these three, Geena is the only card holding member. One of the highst IQ celebrities on the planet is......... Kate Beckinsale. At a younger age, she tested around 152 or 156. At one point in time she stated in an interview that her intelligence had a negative impact on her career until she finally got some breaks in epic films like "Pearl Harbor" and then the "Underworld" & "Van Helsing" series. It is plausible that Pavel may be in the uppper 15% of Americans in IQ, however the supposition that high IQ equates to ""Genius" is somewhat fleeting. In recent times, we've seen how Americans have embraced an utter disdain for logic or fact checking preferring to rally around emotional rhetoric oddly reminiscent to Hitler's rise to power, Putin's current "special military operation" or Trump's attempted coup of January 6th. Many Americans appear to be mimicking or doing a damn good impersonation of lemmings racing toward the cliff. I have witnessed Toby (on Vimeo) purporting to … |
| 254332 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 74 | Big D | Jul 17, 2022 | 2022-07-17T14:26:00-0400 | Uncle Phil is the surf shop, Lou (Will's Dad) is Rich, and Will Smith is a customer who put down a deposit 3 years ago. |
| 254336 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 75 | Chaz Wa Da Da | Jul 17, 2022 | 2022-07-17T15:06:37-0400 | This story from Stanley Pleskunas about Stevie Lis back in the day is interesting....@ 27:55 |
| 254339 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 76 | Planktom | Jul 17, 2022 | 2022-07-17T15:40:52-0400 | That is classic stuff |
| 254411 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 77 | jb111 | Jul 18, 2022 | 2022-07-18T06:25:19-0400 | I saw Toby paddle into a couple small waves at No Surf in the summer of '90. We were down there for a "team" photo with all of our boards. Wish I still had that image. That was a rad era, when you could walk into the shop on Voltaire, Toby would grab a couple blanks, and he'd do your friend's board before lunch, and your board after lunch. Years later, my last board from him did take a while to get, but there were several times before then where he spent hours that weren't necessary just to hang and talk surf, etc. Glad I had those times, and those boards—especially the first one he made me. |
| 254418 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 78 | Veterano | Jul 18, 2022 | 2022-07-18T08:08:40-0400 | Ah, yeah the Voltaire shop. That's where I first met him. Had a little map from a friend, brought a blank and introduced myself. We talked for awhile and he stopped finish shaping the blank on his racks, put it aside and started in on mine. I was there for 4 hours. We covered a lot of ground over that time and became friends. I walked away with a bitchin' shaped blank, the first of many. |
| 267083 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 79 | PintailNoserider | Dec 6, 2022 | 2022-12-06T14:40:57-0500 | Jumping in to say that I've had some incredible experiences with Rich. He's shaped me two boards and gotten them both to me in less than four months. The first one when I was a little grom - and he had Green Room open in OB and another one just a few months ago. I've bought two dialers off the rack at Mitch's and one off a pro up in Ventura. Who only sold it because he was raffling money for charity... and he had others. I had to fight Dane Gudauskus for it (which hopefully tells you how his boards work). Rich appreciates having "clients in good standing" and he appreciates stoke. If you're psyched on shapes and waves Rich will talk your ears off for hours about physics. Surfing a Toby fish is the closest thing to a magic carpet I've ever experienced. If you can track him down and get a true heart and wings - hand shaped board - you'll look at this sport we call surfing very differently. He's back in town. Hermosa Surf has a few right now. And look for them at Mitch's soon too. Maaaaaybe Marshall Bros up in Malibu in 2023. |
| 267119 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 80 | esteban del solar | Dec 7, 2022 | 2022-12-06T20:32:56-0500 | Remember, he has a father who was a very successful oral surgeon in SD. That is why being a successful business man is not really necessary. He and i started shaping around the same time back in the 70s and it makes me sad that he has gone down a path of being unreliable. I still have a gun that he shaped for me hanging on my wall. {i exchanged a painting that i painted for him..i wonder if he still has it} |
| 267131 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 81 | Ricksurfin | Dec 7, 2022 | 2022-12-06T23:22:21-0500 | As good a shaper he is, I refuse to do business with him as he has burned friends of mine. |
| 267148 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 82 | Veterano | Dec 7, 2022 | 2022-12-07T08:33:28-0500 | and away we go ..... |
| 267182 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 83 | NCJohn | Dec 7, 2022 | 2022-12-07T13:14:09-0500 | I stopped by hermosa surf shop and couldn't resist the temptation. Nice shop and good people. There are still a few Fish left and a couple gliders on the way. Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 267183 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 84 | Hanger18 | Dec 7, 2022 | 2022-12-07T13:20:00-0500 | When he was Toby he made me boards under his All Access label which he did seperate of the Choice label. Toby was cool, always a little different but made me some really good boards. Mostly shortboards and bonzers. This was around 1990 or so. In 2005 He came by the TRANSWORLD offices and we bumped into each other and chatted. He said he shaped a fish recently and thought of me and I should go by moonlight and get it. Free shaped blank. I was stoked to see him and very appreciative of his offer so i went by and talked to Peter about this board. That’s when I had heard about some of the stuff with glass shops dealing with unpaid bills etc. I got the board, paid Peter and Sally for the glass job and it was the absolute best surfboard I’ve ever ridden. Like not even just the best fish, best board ever. It went in everything from 2-10’ - completely blew my mind. So with all that said. All the stories, all the drama, all the bad, I’ve only had good experiences with him and his boards were always impeccable. I think it’s a choose your own adventure when it comes to who you choose to get boards from. I only want to ride boards that speak to me and if it’s a custom, I only want to to get boards from people I really like. That energy is real. It goes into your whole surfing experience. Choose wisely. |
| 267220 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 85 | Syncro | Dec 7, 2022 | 2022-12-07T18:59:34-0500 | NCJohn said: I stopped by hermosa surf shop and couldn't resist the temptation. Nice shop and good people. There are still a few Fish left and a couple gliders on the way. View attachment 51937 Click to expand... Shoutout to that superwolf glass job… Did you happen to see the price tag? 2500+? |
| 267234 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 86 | NCJohn | Dec 8, 2022 | 2022-12-07T22:29:55-0500 | Around $2k depending on the model and length. |
| 267243 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 87 | Sky | Dec 8, 2022 | 2022-12-08T01:27:51-0500 | NCJohn said: I stopped by hermosa surf shop and couldn't resist the temptation. Nice shop and good people. There are still a few Fish left and a couple gliders on the way. View attachment 51937 Click to expand... Pavel gliders? |
| 267244 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 88 | Syncro | Dec 8, 2022 | 2022-12-08T02:07:04-0500 | Sky said: Pavel gliders? Click to expand... A friend ordered a custom 11' glider from toby, just got it and no one can deny the man can shape. |
| 267254 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 89 | Sky | Dec 8, 2022 | 2022-12-08T09:48:46-0500 | Syncro said: A friend ordered a custom 11' glider from toby, just got it and no one can deny the man can shape. Click to expand... I definitely cannot afford one of his gliders new, but I am always glider curious and his boards look awesome. |
| 267344 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 90 | PintailNoserider | Dec 9, 2022 | 2022-12-09T11:35:23-0500 | NCJohn said: I stopped by hermosa surf shop and couldn't resist the temptation. Nice shop and good people. There are still a few Fish left and a couple gliders on the way. View attachment 51937 Click to expand... More pics of this please. |
| 267379 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 91 | NCJohn | Dec 9, 2022 | 2022-12-09T17:01:46-0500 | PintailNoserider said: More pics of this please. Click to expand... Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 267385 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 92 | DJR | Dec 9, 2022 | 2022-12-09T17:39:34-0500 | NCJohn said: View attachment 52055 View attachment 52056 Click to expand... That deck looks like candy creme wonderfulness |
| 267454 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 93 | PintailNoserider | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T15:10:21-0500 | Gorgeous! Dims? And thanks |
| 267458 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 94 | NCJohn | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T15:28:19-0500 | 5 PintailNoserider said: Gorgeous! Dims? And thanks Click to expand... 5'10 and smooooooth |
| 267462 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 95 | NCJohn | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T15:44:54-0500 | I splurged and have a keel fish in the works toothat he shaped using a lis template he has. It's off to superwolf for glassing soon. Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 267464 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 96 | dingdong | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T15:48:23-0500 | so for those of us that aren't in the know...what are the differences between the pavel/lis fishes and SD fishes from mitsven, larmo or hanel? curious because I think my Hanel fish is awesome...and want to know why I'd pay 4 times the price for a pavel? |
| 267465 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 97 | Howeezey | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T16:23:20-0500 | dingdong said: so for those of us that aren't in the know...what are the differences between the pavel/lis fishes and SD fishes from mitsven, larmo or hanel? curious because I think my Hanel fish is awesome...and want to know why I'd pay 4 times the price for a pavel? Click to expand... Because he has a thread on jammers, that's 10+ pages and counting. |
| 267475 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 98 | PintailNoserider | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T18:20:54-0500 | NCJohn said: I splurged and have a keel fish in the works toothat he shaped using a lis template he has. It's off to superwolf for glassing soon. Click to expand... NCJohn said: View attachment 52055 View attachment 52056 Click to expand... Curious, did he sign the deck or is he just using the heart and wings as his sig now? |
| 267476 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 99 | Doggyfizzle | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T18:22:49-0500 | How much should we be paying for Thunderbolts now based on the length of the CJ thread? |
| 267477 | 8877 | Rich Toby Pavel | 100 | PintailNoserider | Dec 10, 2022 | 2022-12-10T18:24:52-0500 | NCJohn said: I splurged and have a keel fish in the works toothat he shaped using a lis template he has. It's off to superwolf for glassing soon. View attachment 52092 Click to expand... His twin keel fish are my fav. |
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