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| 219095 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 1 | luuuna | Sep 6, 2021 | 2021-09-05T20:48:37-0400 | Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the FM from Lovelace. Discussion on the Lovelace forum was centered more on sizing but was curious to know if anyone hear has ridden one and any impressions on how the board rides in general. |
| 219115 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 2 | Bravoaloha | Sep 6, 2021 | 2021-09-06T09:24:08-0400 | Also curious about this. I have a few Lovelaces, and ordered a Lizzy just under a year ago.. Was thinking of maybe going with an FM just because it was a new model and seemed interesting, but after speaking with Ryan I decided to go with the tried and true option I originally wanted. Ryan basically said if I wanted to do more top-to-bottom surfing to go with the FM, if I wanted to do more linear surfing go with the Lizzy. Lizzy is great but it is very linear-focused. In bigger surf I can really "jam" it off the bottom, but I wouldn't mind a little more some more maneuverability. (I also need to play with fins a bit more, running a 7.5" Frye on a 7'6" Lizzy, no side bites) |
| 219350 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 3 | Sbbcc | Sep 8, 2021 | 2021-09-07T22:43:55-0400 | luuuna said: Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the FM from Lovelace. Discussion on the Lovelace forum was centered more on sizing but was curious to know if anyone hear has ridden one and any impressions on how the board rides in general. Click to expand... There is a Lovelace forum? |
| 219378 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 4 | Jc Nelson | Sep 8, 2021 | 2021-09-08T10:23:17-0400 | Sbbcc said: There is a Lovelace forum? Click to expand... my thought exactly. followed by why???? |
| 219573 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 5 | icecreamheadache | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-09T22:39:52-0400 | Anyone got any real insight into why people hate on that kid so much? He's always been really nice to everyone I know who's ever encountered him.... Even my friends talk mad shit about that kid and when pressed on the "whys" don't seem to have much to offer aside from "because he's there" like Ryan Lovelace is a mountain or particularly large line of blow or dodgy looking single parent in short shorts at the bar at closing time or something... |
| 219579 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 6 | Budthedog | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-09T23:20:16-0400 | icecreamheadache said: Anyone got any real insight into why people hate on that kid so much? He's always been really nice to everyone I know who's ever encountered him.... Even my friends talk mad shit about that kid and when pressed on the "whys" don't seem to have much to offer aside from "because he's there" like Ryan Lovelace is a mountain or particularly large line of blow or dodgy looking single parent in short shorts at the bar at closing time or something... Click to expand... I'm curious about this too. For me, the reasons are shallow and petty but basically hearing him talk, he comes off as a mix of pretentious, sometimes condescending, and insincere. (This obviously's got nothing to do with his shaping skills and it doesn't keep me from wanting to try a couple of his boards, I'm just being honest.) From other people I get the impression he's resented for getting credit for being some kind of creative genius when he's still young and doing things that less marketing adept shapers have been doing for a long time. |
| 219590 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 7 | NateB | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T00:15:42-0400 | Budthedog said: I'm curious about this too. For me, the reasons are shallow and petty but basically hearing him talk, he comes off as a mix of pretentious, sometimes condescending, and insincere. (This obviously's got nothing to do with his shaping skills and it doesn't keep me from wanting to try a couple of his boards, I'm just being honest.) From other people I get the impression he's resented for getting credit for being some kind of creative genius when he's still young and doing things that less marketing adept shapers have been doing for a long time. Click to expand... "I get the impression he's resented for getting credit for being some kind of creative genius when he's still young and doing things that less marketing adept shapers have been doing for a long time ." Ding ding ding!! I'm pretty open minded, guy has been super nice to me. Chatted about many things outside of surfboard design. Always nice to chat briefly with. Not to mention he is bringing up and coming shapers to the spotlight like arenal and Lopez. Thats seems quality to me. |
| 219595 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 8 | Yosh | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T00:26:29-0400 | I'm sure his boards ride great but the minute he claimed vbowl was a design that he grew and developed for 10 yrs and shamed some unknown china brand that ripped "his design" off, that was it. Another reason is I've tried his first gen vbowl and ???...couldn't understand the hype, so I already had filters of doubts. I was also riding HG exclusively at the time so ya... I will personally pick up MicroAnt in a milli-sec over vbowl or DoubleEnda in a sec. "Styling a style" and claiming as original. Same may apply to surfing when someone tells you, "that's my move/style", I swear someone did it already in the 50s 60s 70s~ just not known, no internet. |
| 219599 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 9 | Planktom | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T02:46:58-0400 | Being tow-headed is a double-edged sword. I like the guy in many ways, I like a lot of his boards and I like the handshaping business incubator idea. On the flip side, it is both risky and disrespectful to claim full ownership of designs, even down to specific planshapes. I have a Rolf Aurness-designed triplane 7'9 pintail that was shaped by the late Scott Anderson around 20yrs ago that is a component specific comparison to a Thick Lizzy, I'm pretty sure I don't recall Scott, or Rolf for that matter, claim ownership of that design. What's the saying? Walk softly and shape a great stick, or something like that.... |
| 219600 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 10 | NateB | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T03:14:22-0400 | Planktom said: Being tow-headed is a double-edged sword. I like the guy in many ways, I like a lot of his boards and I like the handshaping business incubator idea. On the flip side, it is both risky and disrespectful to claim full ownership of designs, even down to specific planshapes. I have a Rolf Aurness-designed triplane 7'9 pintail that was shaped by the late Scott Anderson around 20yrs ago. I'm pretty sure I don't recall Scott, or Rolf for that matter, claim ownership of that design. What's the saying? Walk softly and shape a great stick, or something like that... Click to expand... Planktom said: Being tow-headed is a double-edged sword. I like the guy in many ways, I like a lot of his boards and I like the handshaping business incubator idea. On the flip side, it is both risky and disrespectful to claim full ownership of designs, even down to specific planshapes. I have a Rolf Aurness-designed triplane 7'9 pintail that was shaped by the late Scott Anderson around 20yrs ago. I'm pretty sure I don't recall Scott, or Rolf for that matter, claim ownership of that design. What's the saying? Walk softly and shape a great stick, or something like that.... Click to expand... Agree 100% Dude can blow smoke marketing wise but it boils down to originators of certain designs and how variations have evolved since. #1 poor quality IMO. outside of the egotistical, snarky design opinions I don't believe he's a bad dude. Tbh wouldn't pay legend prices (Wayno/andreini) for a board shaped by him and never will. If I want something in that realm id go the trimcraft route. Which I have in the past and haven't had problems with the design characteristics, although on the topic of this thread I'd go f/m route from Lovelace over the power cat from trimcraft if I was considering a board like that. |
| 219602 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 11 | Macilious | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T05:53:41-0400 | Sbbcc said: There is a Lovelace forum? Click to expand... Yes, but for the legendary Linda Lovelace. |
| 219605 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 12 | Planktom | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T06:47:24-0400 | Haha |
| 219670 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 13 | TurtleTime | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T15:52:04-0400 | he won the surf-shape off at the expo when it was the lopez pipe gun board to replicate. I had barely heard of him then. He won against a stacked field, so that says something. |
| 219676 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 14 | icecreamheadache | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T16:03:02-0400 | NateB said: Tbh wouldn't pay legend prices (Wayno/andreini) for a board shaped by him and never will. If I want something in that realm id go the trimcraft route. Which I have in the past and haven't had problems with the design characteristics, although on the topic of this thread I'd go f/m route from Lovelace over the power cat from trimcraft if I was considering a board like that. Click to expand... I really lusted over those old Point Concepts hulls he made with the pelican logo back when I was a full on asshull… but it was hard to justify $700+ for a sled from him when Greg Liddle would make you a custom that came in under $600 including shipping from Hawai'i. |
| 219683 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 15 | Planktom | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T16:42:34-0400 | TurtleTime said: he won the surf-shape off at the expo when it was the lopez pipe gun board to replicate. I had barely heard of him then. He won against a stacked field, so that says something. Click to expand... Fo sho Shares experience and tips too. |
| 219685 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 16 | hullyahomie | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T16:48:25-0400 | icecreamheadache said: Anyone got any real insight into why people hate on that kid so much? He's always been really nice to everyone I know who's ever encountered him.... Even my friends talk mad shit about that kid and when pressed on the "whys" don't seem to have much to offer aside from "because he's there" like Ryan Lovelace is a mountain or particularly large line of blow or dodgy looking single parent in short shorts at the bar at closing time or something... Click to expand... the reality is its a bunch of shapers hating on him... Ive know Ryan a long time and the people hating on him. Ive tried mediating a bit with no positive results. Lots of frustration with him about comments made about hand shaping vs machines and also bullshit speculation as to finances. Keep in mind, even the cool shapers act like spoiled brats and get bitchy. Most people hating on him have no idea as to why, just a bunch of fucking sheep. Ryan is a nice guy for sure and works his ass off, I know that. Im sure he has rubbed people the wrong way, who hasn't done this though? anyway, 2 cents from this asshole |
| 219688 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 17 | hullyahomie | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T16:53:45-0400 | Yosh said: I'm sure his boards ride great but the minute he claimed vbowl was a design that he grew and developed for 10 yrs and shamed some unknown china brand that ripped "his design" off, that was it. Another reason is I've tried his first gen vbowl and it was crap...literal crap...couldn't understand the hype, so I already had filters of doubts. I was also riding HG exclusively at the time so ya... I will personally pick up MicroAnt in a milli-sec over vbowl or DoubleEnda in a sec. I cannot favor anyone who's "styling a style" and claiming as original, hope that make sense. Same may apply to surfing when someone tells you, "that's my move/style", I swear someone did it already in the 50s 60s 70s~ just not known, no internet. Click to expand... Yeah the bowls is definitely a rip from Wayne lynches evolution board. That definitely rubbed some folks the wrong way. Totally remember all that.... haha |
| 219689 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 18 | hullyahomie | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T16:55:28-0400 | icecreamheadache said: I really lusted over those old Point Concepts hulls he made with the pelican logo back when I was a full on asshull… but it was hard to justify $700+ for a sled from him when Greg Liddle would make you a custom that came in under $600 including shipping from Hawai'i. Click to expand... I rode a bunch of those early hulls from Ryan, they were really fun. Fun, but not a liddle... I Have one hull from him still, the SB stub, which is a fun shape. I also own about 20 Liddle so..... |
| 219693 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 19 | Planktom | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T17:16:08-0400 | hullyahomie said: Yeah the bowls is definitely a rip from Wayne lynches evolution board. That definitely rubbed some folks the wrong way. Totally remember all that.... haha Click to expand... I don't think it was the initial laying claim to ownership of the widepoint-aft hully egg design that really riled folk, it was more the very vocal bagging of anyone else who then had a similar model in their range, accompanied by accusations of cribbing him. |
| 219697 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 20 | hullyahomie | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T17:29:19-0400 | Planktom said: I don't think it was the initial laying claim to ownership of the widepoint-aft hully egg design that really riled folk, it was more the very vocal bagging of anyone else who then had a similar model in their range, accompanied by accusations of cribbing him. Click to expand... That similar model thing just recently happened, the V Bowls has been out for almost 10years and he did make a few statements about unique design with the V Bowls back when. I know that rubbed some people really wrong. |
| 219712 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 21 | sam | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T18:20:09-0400 | @ 3:08 you can tell he gets nervous when the interviewer points out that he's not actually from sb and he has to explain that he didn't start surfing until college he makes cool boards though |
| 219715 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 22 | Yosh | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T18:51:29-0400 | hullyahomie said: That similar model thing just recently happened, the V Bowls has been out for almost 10years and he did make a few statements about unique design with the V Bowls back when. I know that rubbed some people really wrong. Click to expand... ??? |
| 219721 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 23 | hullyahomie | Sep 10, 2021 | 2021-09-10T19:10:54-0400 | sam said: @ 3:08 you can tell he gets nervous when the interviewer points out that he's not actually from sb and he has to explain that he didn't start surfing until college he makes cool boards though Click to expand... Yosh said: ??? shall we loop back to Wayne? Entitlement creates delusion. Internet grows hype deepening ones delusion, but for them it's reality and they can make money along the way. I rather sit down with a shaper who's not delusional that's all... Click to expand... I totally know what you are talking about and have had many many many discussions with Wayne about this. I'm not saying the bowls was anything original, FAR from it. Ryan definitely had a better grasp on the internet than a lot of the older shapers, which means nothing in terms of shaping creditably, but he did take advantage of that. He had/has a huge following, being a good shaper or not and that's a fact. I totally agree that the internet grows delusion and that's a slippery slope for a shaper with minimal shaping experience at those times and not growing up in surf culture. Which I also feel pissed alot of people off. He started shaping and within a couple years was putting out as many of not more boards than alot of older guys. I'm not here to defend any of this bullshit, just happened to be around for alot of it and am close to a lot of the people on both sides. It's all nonsense to me honestly. I get boards from Wayne, my homies and I have a bunch of liddles…. |
| 219756 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 24 | SMUKES | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T01:34:01-0400 | Does he surf? Actual honest question? By "does he surf?" I mean well. |
| 219759 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 25 | Planktom | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T04:20:09-0400 | |
| 219760 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 26 | davey | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T04:30:29-0400 | Nice flowing surfing.. |
| 219761 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 27 | Planktom | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T04:41:30-0400 | No Joe Pro, but I would say so too. I would also not want my surfing to be contrasted against Trevor Gordon haha Surfing 'well' is hard to pin down.. one might excel in one little niche or could handle themselves in 1ft to 15ft with no particular flourishes. I'm neither hah |
| 219764 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 28 | jory | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T07:52:20-0400 | Planktom said: No Joe Pro, but I would say so too. I would also not want my surfing to be contrasted against Trevor Gordon haha Surfing 'well' is hard to pin down.. one might excel in one little niche or could handle themselves in 1ft to 15ft with no particular flourishes. I'm neither Click to expand... Trevor Gordon is one of the most stylish surfers on the planet IMHO. I'm no joe pro either but to be fair I think most of us could gently climb and drop in a similarly competent fashion on a perfect right hand point wave. It's also fair to say that not all good shapers are excellent surfers. You don't have to be world class to make good boards. I think Ryan was early on the whole self promotion via the internet thing and profited from that. He did it at a time when it wasn't as much the norm in society as it is today and lots of the elders found distasteful. Plenty of people do like his boards. I think more recently he perhaps should have thought before he starting typing........ (Also Plancktom is a great surfer but very modest!) |
| 219769 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 29 | SMUKES | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T10:02:43-0400 | jory said: Trevor Gordon is one of the most stylish surfers on the planet IMHO. I'm no joe pro either but to be fair I think most of us could gently climb and drop in a similarly competent fashion on a perfect right hand point wave. It's also fair to say that not all good shapers are excellent surfers. You don't have to be world class to make good boards. I think Ryan was early on the whole self promotion via the internet thing and profited from that. He did it at a time when it wasn't as much the norm in society as it is today and lots of the elders found distasteful. Plenty of people do like his boards. I think more recently he perhaps should have thought before he starting typing........ (Also Plancktom is a great surfer but very modest!) Click to expand... All shapers need to surf or have surfed well at some point to know what the fuck a surfboard needs to do. It can't be faked, you either do, or ya don't. I've stated my gripe about rl on here before, several yeas ago, the ownership of the resin dot was hilarious, the discounting of apprenticeship was stupid and the general lack of humility annoying. Otherwise good for him, and his surfing has improved which is good too. |
| 219770 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 30 | cuda | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T10:56:18-0400 | anyone remember the epic hull thread on Swaylocks 20 years ago? |
| 219772 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 31 | Planktom | Sep 11, 2021 | 2021-09-11T11:02:35-0400 | cuda said: anyone remember the epic hull thread on Swaylocks 20 years ago? Click to expand... Of course! I've only just finished reading it...(started in 2006) |
| 219857 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 32 | 606venezia | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T10:39:48-0400 | What would a good Thick Lizzy / Haley Pin alternative be for someone who likes those models but wants to try a non-Ryan version, having read this thread? Asking for a friend... |
| 219859 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 33 | sam | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T11:13:02-0400 | 609venezia said: What would a good Thick Lizzy / Haley Pin alternative be for someone who likes those models but wants to try a non-Ryan version, having read this thread? Asking for a friend... Click to expand... Arenal Microglide |
| 219861 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 34 | hullyahomie | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T11:26:09-0400 | Planktom said: Click to expand... Trevor can definitely surf. |
| 219864 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 35 | fluidworks | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T12:05:35-0400 | sam said: Arenal Microglide Click to expand... Having seen and surfed Michael's boards, I think he's a better shaper than Ryan IMO. |
| 219867 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 36 | Jellz | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T12:41:14-0400 | Does anyone have exp w/ Jive Space Elevator or Lifter? Both look to have the same triplane bottoms that make me love my Haley Pin. I admire the Trimcraft thing fwiw, world needs more programs to help launch others. My 7’4 John Simon Haley is money and from what it sounds like Ryan had him shape a few dozen of that exact model and size to build his skills. |
| 219873 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 37 | brothernature | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T14:11:34-0400 | Looks like you'll be able to buy some kind of machine shaped stock FM in the future: https://www.lovemachinesurfboards.com |
| 219874 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 38 | Planktom | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T15:10:52-0400 | 609venezia said: What would a good Thick Lizzy / Haley Pin alternative be for someone who likes those models but wants to try a non-Ryan version, having read this thread? Asking for a friend... Click to expand... By his own admission, the first Thick Lizzys were modelled from an old Skip Frye that Ryan picked up somewhere. So, any of the SD talent pool with a close connection to Skip would arguably shape you an authentic version of the original ' Thick Lizzy'. I would suggest they would fall under the broad category of 'mini glider' Personally, I would be speaking to Bob as 1st port of call. |
| 219875 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 39 | jory | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T15:23:25-0400 | brothernature said: Looks like you'll be able to buy some kind of machine shaped stock FM in the future: https://www.lovemachinesurfboards.com Click to expand... Surely not RL succumbing to running boards off a machine? Surely that's verboten in his world view?!!!! |
| 219878 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 40 | Planktom | Sep 12, 2021 | 2021-09-12T15:49:05-0400 | Think his gripe is with those who purport a façade of hand-shaping whilst using machines (and charge $$ as if they were hand-shaped) I like McCallum's take - if the dollar is upside-down, you know it's machined, if it's upright, he hand shaped it. Pretty clear... (and, I may add, with little in the way of histrionics about the whole subject compared to RL) |
| 219917 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 41 | Jc Nelson | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-12T23:41:20-0400 | hullyahomie said: Trevor can definitely surf. Click to expand... lets put it perspective. that vid was boring af and people hate on rl because hes a val snowflake. it primal dislike. get over it. heres something to help- https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTNhXo4hnd1/?utm_medium=copy_link |
| 219921 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 42 | Planktom | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-13T04:18:50-0400 | Haha, the wrath of JC Flavors has been felt And yep, you can't really beat Steph. |
| 219943 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 43 | SMUKES | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-13T12:09:26-0400 | Jc Nelson said: lets put it perspective. that vid was boring af and people hate on rl because hes a val snowflake. it primal dislike. get over it. heres something to help- https://www.instagram.com/reel/CTNhXo4hnd1/?utm_medium=copy_link Click to expand... You're not wrong lol |
| 219962 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 44 | russneversleeps | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-13T13:56:05-0400 | What tailoring magic do they use to get Steph's wetsuit to *fit* just so? More research needed... |
| 219966 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 45 | 606venezia | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-13T14:25:40-0400 | Planktom said: By his own admission, the first Thick Lizzys were modelled from an old Skip Frye that Ryan picked up somewhere. So, any of the SD talent pool with a close connection to Skip would arguably shape you an authentic version of the original ' Thick Lizzy'. I would suggest they would fall under the broad category of 'mini glider' Personally, I would be speaking to Bob as 1st port of call. Click to expand... I want to put in my first order with Bob soon. Not sure whether to go with an Eagle or Magic. Thick Lizzy was based on an Eagle, right? How does Bob usually do the rails and bottom contours on those? |
| 219971 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 46 | SMUKES | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-13T14:44:37-0400 | An eagle is a parallel "glider". It's a stretched magic. The bottoms are single into double and rails same. If you plug 2' of board into the middle of a 9' magic you get an 11' eagle. |
| 219973 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 47 | Planktom | Sep 13, 2021 | 2021-09-13T15:12:00-0400 | Yea, I'm not sure it was small Eagle that RL had found or whether it even had a name as such... maybe just a 'pintail' possibly. There are folk on here way more versed with the work of that crew, but I have some limited experience and would say that the combo of pinched rail/rolled bottom into barrelled concave(s) that they offer on some boards will offer great rail-to-rail flow and little drag and is, in essence, a 'triplane' when you break it down. |
| 220030 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 48 | hullyahomie | Sep 14, 2021 | 2021-09-13T22:20:19-0400 | Jellz said: Does anyone have exp w/ Jive Space Elevator or Lifter? Both look to have the same triplane bottoms that make me love my Haley Pin. I admire the Trimcraft thing fwiw, world needs more programs to help launch others. My 7'4 John Simon Haley is money and from what it sounds like Ryan had him shape a few dozen of that exact model and size to build his skills. Click to expand... I have a JIve lifter. 7'4 wanna buy it? |
| 222731 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 49 | Planktom | Oct 8, 2021 | 2021-10-08T05:36:31-0400 | Planktom said: Yea, I'm not sure it was small Eagle that RL had found or whether it even had a name as such... maybe just a 'pintail' possibly. There are folk on here way more versed with the work of that crew, but I have some limited experience and would say that the combo of pinched rail/rolled bottom into barrelled concave(s) that they offer on some boards will offer great rail-to-rail flow and little drag and is, in essence, a 'triplane' when you break it down. Click to expand... 7'10 Mitsven Mini Glider - Mollusk Surf Shop |
| 232858 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 50 | Larcxthesurfer | Jan 8, 2022 | 2022-01-08T00:37:40-0500 | hullyahomie said: I have a JIve lifter. 7'4 wanna buy it? Click to expand... How do you like the jive lifter? I've been interested in it |
| 233432 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 51 | hullyahomie | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T00:00:53-0500 | Larcxthesurfer said: How do you like the jive lifter? I've been interested in it Click to expand... mmmm not my thing. I prefer hulls. It was a fun enough board, but i feel like my 7'4 hull was a better traveler for me. I would rather have a smaller twin for fun surf and travel with a hull for the rest. I ride hulls, not short boards. it needs to be firing for me to get off a hull and if i do its not to get on the lifter. hope that was helpful |
| 233460 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 52 | heavymetalshop | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T12:12:09-0500 | hullyahomie said: mmmm not my thing. I prefer hulls. It was a fun enough board, but i feel like my 7'4 hull was a better traveler for me. I would rather have a smaller twin for fun surf and travel with a hull for the rest. I ride hulls, not short boards. it needs to be firing for me to get off a hull and if i do its not to get on the lifter. hope that was helpful Click to expand... With all this hull talk, I can't help but mention the trimcraft power cat. Twin fin hull. I've been very interested in this one AND the FM. But I've never heard anyone talk about the power cat. Love the concept. @hullyahomie curious to hear your thoughts on it as one of the resident hull homies. |
| 233464 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 53 | Bonzourno | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T12:29:59-0500 | FM for sale in Encinitas on CL now….not cheap. 7’4” FM Lovelace |
| 233466 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 54 | cuda | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T12:52:08-0500 | would get busy widdat. |
| 233467 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 55 | heavymetalshop | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T12:59:15-0500 | Bonzourno said: FM for sale in Encinitas on CL now….not cheap. 7'4" FM Lovelace Click to expand... Purdy one too - brand new, no wait. Pretty ok price, tbh |
| 233489 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 56 | hullyahomie | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T16:13:36-0500 | heavymetalshop said: With all this hull talk, I can't help but mention the trimcraft power cat. Twin fin hull. I've been very interested in this one AND the FM. But I've never heard anyone talk about the power cat. Love the concept. @hullyahomie curious to hear your thoughts on it as one of the resident hull homies. Click to expand... Well i have not had the chance to get on this model.... Guess i have a board to borrow. Looks interesting. In all honesty I've never been interested in a twin fin hull... but maybe I need to change that and have a go on this one. I didn't even know this existed honestly. I have never paid much attention to the trimcraft stuff though. |
| 233492 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 57 | jory | Jan 12, 2022 | 2022-01-12T16:49:47-0500 | Isn’t the simmons basically a twin fin hull? I had one of Ryan’s velo sim minis. That was a really hully mini sim, lots of belly up front It was really fun especially in junky waves ( although the template helps too obvs ) Sold it cos it was a bit big for me |
| 233561 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 58 | 606venezia | Jan 13, 2022 | 2022-01-12T22:58:40-0500 | Ryan on the Power Cat suuuuper fun for average mid-size california waves. My 7'4 is really silky smooth from the middle - they're a displacement hull so smooth/rubber-band feel is the name of the game from center on the board. I find the keels MUCH easier on rail than a single, which really was the spark to make this board a reality, you still have to be gentle on the back foot but it's much quicker in turning radius than other widepoint forward Singlefin displacement hulls IMO. Click to expand... |
| 233613 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 59 | samb | Jan 13, 2022 | 2022-01-13T11:52:26-0500 | haven't tried a power cat, but twin-finned hulls can definitely work. I had a 6'1" with a set of custom keels that worked great, a bit less tail sensitive, able to draw tighter turns, and very easy to get up on rail. Here's Steve Hadley on something similar -- |
| 233620 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 60 | heavymetalshop | Jan 13, 2022 | 2022-01-13T12:25:16-0500 | samb said: haven't tried a power cat, but twin-finned hulls can definitely work. I had a 6'1" with a set of custom keels that worked great, a bit less tail sensitive, able to draw tighter turns, and very easy to get up on rail. Here's Steve Hadley on something similar -- Click to expand... Well that video made my day. Crouching tiger, speedy twin fin |
| 244452 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 61 | Bravoaloha | Apr 13, 2022 | 2022-04-13T13:28:27-0400 | Anybody have any updates/thoughts on the FM? I am waiting on the board train (and then probably will be waiting until fall for proper swell) for this . Just super stoked, I was too curious about how this board will go to let her pass even though I don't need it and shouldn't be buying it.. |
| 244472 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 62 | Cuttlefish | Apr 13, 2022 | 2022-04-13T15:25:10-0400 | https://www.varialsurf.com/collections/in-stock-surfboards/products/fm-69 |
| 244478 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 63 | Cuttlefish | Apr 13, 2022 | 2022-04-13T15:30:30-0400 | jory said: Isn't the simmons basically a twin fin hull? I had one of Ryan's velo sim minis. That was a really hully mini sim, lots of belly up front It was really fun especially in junky waves ( although the template helps too obvs ) Sold it cos it was a bit big for me Click to expand... @jory as soon as JaM brings my 7'er you know what back, I'm going to stick some keels in it and give it a go as the swell is supposed to back off to fun experimental levels when he comes up next week. |
| 244512 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 64 | jory | Apr 13, 2022 | 2022-04-13T17:31:49-0400 | I can see that working!!! Keep me posted! |
| 257250 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 65 | listentoalienworkshop | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T14:47:43-0400 | Still no real reviews of these on here, would have thought for sure there would be. Just got one thanks to @sam 's gracious assistance and eagerly waiting for it to come down south. First twin pin/twinzer here... |
| 257258 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 66 | Bonzourno | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T15:18:43-0400 | listentoalienworkshop said: Still no real reviews of these on here, would have thought for sure there would be. Just got one thanks to @sam 's gracious assistance and eagerly waiting for it to come down south. First twin pin/twinzer here... Click to expand... Ahhhh…..looks like you scored the one in the Bay Area that was on CL a couple days ago…..looks like you're gonna have to post the first ride report! |
| 257261 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 67 | skazat | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T15:48:38-0400 | Ive had one now for a few months so I can share my thoughts. Its a 6'9 Lovemachine in Varial. I picked it up in a trade and honestly didnt think Id love it as much as I do. Looking at the shape in person is kinda wild. It has so much going on between the way the rails are foiled - especially mid way through, the way it gets potato chip thin in the tail and then you've got that flowing channel with the V inside of it. It paddles really well, it has great glide getting into waves. My initial take was that on rail the board felt surprisingly fast. In 2-4 foot beach breaks it was connecting sections with no problem. A lot more performance than I was expecting, feels really good to come off the bottom and hit the lip with it. Cutbacks to re-entries felt very smooth, no feeling of getting hung up or sticky through the transitions. Originally I got it with McCallums twinzer set and my first month or so was with those fins. I was able to find the proper fins designed for the board through NVS and finally got to take it out on some proper size after that last hurricane swell at low tide topanga. The board could take off later and steeper than I would have expected. I surprised myself a few times thinking I was a bit too far out but that glide paddling into waves would kick in and really help me get into it. The NVS fins held beautifully and gave me a lot more drive to race down the line. The rail game feels so good on the bigger open faced sections. Definitely confidence inspiring. I did switch back to the McCallums the next day when the swell had dropped a little but we still had good sized sets. They definitely felt a bit looser but more playful. I had to be careful dropping in and coming off the bottom to not press to hard into them because you could feel them wanting to slide out a bit. But they felt super fun once the wave slowed down a bit and you had time to play off the tail. Comparing the 2 fin sets the NVS did feel like they had a bit more drag and tighter to turn, but they held very well … |
| 257262 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 68 | Bravoaloha | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T15:56:54-0400 | Hey guys!! I snagged one from Down The Line Surf and rode it on a month long trip I did to Portugal, Spain and France. Been meaning to post. 7'0 FM Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view The last line of Ryan's own explanation of this board really sums it up best "This is an average to good wave board that wants you to keep it actively on rail and pushing as hard as you can through your turns when the wave allows." I ran into mostly crappy waist-high waves on this trip and was longing for my Lizzy on those days. When the waves did get some juice and shoulder-high plus, the board was extremely "neutral", meaning it did whatever I wanted it to and I really could push it as hard as I wanted. This board does not trim like my Lizzy, but does enable a non-shortboarder like me to ride it like a short board. My plan was to sell before I left Europe, as I did not need another board and did not want to bring it home or spend the money. I was unable to sell, which I blame partially on the glass job and partially on my unwillingness to lose a boatload of money on it. Board seems glassed to me like a shortboard. It is really light for a 7'0 (good) but after a couple weeks of daily riding, it had lots of heel and knee (from duck diving) pressures (bad). Admittedly, I have heavy feet and knees, but the rails suffered from cracks (presumably from my roof rack) and two pretty nasty dings through the glass on the bottom that haunt me to this day. My only guess is that the wind blew my full-length hotel window into the bottom of the board (twice), while it was in the bag. I am careful with my boards and was really bummed about all this. I now have the board home on the east coast, and once I get the dings sealed up will give it a go, but I don't think it is suited for typical small gutless NJ waves or our big, steep tubes when it gets good. I would take this board on trips with good, f… |
| 257265 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 69 | Bravoaloha | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T16:02:19-0400 | Oh yeah, like @skazat says, really good glide, easy entry into waves. His review has convinced me to give her a go in my steep NJ waves.. |
| 257268 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 70 | skazat | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T16:17:08-0400 | Bravoaloha said: Oh yeah, like @skazat says, really good glide, easy entry into waves. His review has convinced me to give her a go in my steep NJ waves.. Click to expand... Definitely give her a shot. I agree with you about gutless waves, I feel like those NVS fins are a bit too much on the smaller waves. If it wasnt for those McCallums Id probably not have liked the board as much at first. |
| 257279 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 71 | fluidworks | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T17:07:25-0400 | Waiting on the 9'6 FM from Lovemachine to get out of R&D. If it's as good as Ryan says this one could be pretty rad as a performance oriented board for those who like more foam. |
| 257288 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 72 | listentoalienworkshop | Aug 16, 2022 | 2022-08-16T18:35:57-0400 | Bonzourno said: Ahhhh…..looks like you scored the one in the Bay Area that was on CL a couple days ago…..looks like you're gonna have to post the first ride report! Click to expand... Yeah got the 7'6, soon! Good to read this new round of feedback though |
| 257366 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 73 | michael | Aug 17, 2022 | 2022-08-17T13:15:22-0400 | fluidworks said: Waiting on the 9'6 FM from Lovemachine to get out of R&D. If it's as good as Ryan says this one could be pretty rad as a performance oriented board for those who like more foam. Click to expand... I'm in to try one of those. |
| 257367 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 74 | Bighouse | Aug 17, 2022 | 2022-08-17T13:17:07-0400 | I have a 6'9 Lovemachine FM. NVS fins. Only have ridden it once in subpar surf but it felt good. Felt much shorter than a 6'9. Can't wait for some juice! |
| 268354 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 75 | fluidworks | Dec 22, 2022 | 2022-12-21T22:20:19-0500 | Picked my 9’6 lovemachine FM up from delivery, just in time for some Christmas swell coming the next several days. Stock dimensions dressed in 8 oz volan + 6oz silene deck / 8oz volan bottom for winter wave strength. This thing is a trip visually, how giant the channel is and how pulled in and rad the whole outline is. It looks fast sitting on my rack. Unfortunately my son and a mallet lead to its first ding, but such is toddler life. Ride report in a few days after I get it out there on some proper surf. |
| 268400 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 76 | Tunnelvision | Dec 22, 2022 | 2022-12-22T14:52:54-0500 | Been on my 7’10 a handful of times in a wide verity of waves and sizes, long points to fast beach breaks and it’s well out performed my initial idea of it. Honestly might get a 6’9 based on how well the 7’10 moves. Curious though, how much tri-plane or chamfer anyone else’s FM might have? Mine has little to none. It’s shaped by Ryan but was an extra he had accidentally shaped so not a custom by any means (at least not a custom for me). Based on the photos it looks like other FMs have quite a bit of tri-plane but I haven’t seen another in person to compare. With or without, I’m a fan. |
| 268403 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 77 | Jellz | Dec 22, 2022 | 2022-12-22T15:44:41-0500 | Mine 6’9 FM had noticeably less TPH chine than my old 7’4 HP. I think it’s more subtle and blended on FM |
| 268404 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 78 | listentoalienworkshop | Dec 22, 2022 | 2022-12-22T15:50:44-0500 | My 7'6 was so so fun but I found myself wanting to go higher or lower size wise (7'2 I think). I think that's also cause all I keep buying are fucking 7'8ish-8'1 boards and I'm trying to stop that. I was really surprised how playful and aggressive it was. |
| 268427 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 79 | fluidworks | Dec 23, 2022 | 2022-12-22T20:41:00-0500 | That new 7’8 looks like the perfect size in that range… |
| 268428 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 80 | HMRKS | Dec 23, 2022 | 2022-12-22T20:49:14-0500 | listentoalienworkshop said: My 7'6 was so so fun but I found myself wanting to go higher or lower size wise (7'2 I think). I think that's also cause all I keep buying are fucking 7'8ish-8'1 boards and I'm trying to stop that. I was really surprised how playful and aggressive it was. Click to expand... The evolution begins! |
| 269008 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 81 | shadydave | Dec 30, 2022 | 2022-12-30T13:10:34-0500 | @DKNJ recently picked this 9'-6" up and is holding for me. I will need to mind surf it until further notice. |
| 269009 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 82 | michael | Dec 30, 2022 | 2022-12-30T13:15:54-0500 | shadydave said: @DKNJ recently picked this 9'-6" up and is holding for me. I will need to mind surf it until further notice. View attachment 52808 View attachment 52809 Click to expand... Before it leaves Ocean Township we must do a side by side |
| 269011 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 83 | shadydave | Dec 30, 2022 | 2022-12-30T13:19:36-0500 | michael said: Before it leaves Ocean Township we must do a side by side Click to expand... Hell I told Dave to wax it up. |
| 269024 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 84 | Tunnelvision | Dec 30, 2022 | 2022-12-30T15:26:39-0500 | I had some hum with my NVS fins as of late, anyone else had this problem? Only in larger surf but it’s loud and wobbly off the bottom. I took some sand paper to them and sharpened them up, it seemed to have helped. I’ve heard of one other person with this problem on the FM so I thought I’d share in case anyone else come across it. Also just got a pair of the RL x Drab fin colab fins and the problem is completely gone so that’s another route. |
| 269091 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 85 | Hullmaster | Dec 31, 2022 | 2022-12-31T10:47:41-0500 | hullyahomie said: Yeah the bowls is definitely a rip from Wayne lynches evolution board. That definitely rubbed some folks the wrong way. Totally remember all that.... haha Click to expand... Guy blows into SB claiming to be the next George greenough, among other claims ,with very little to no experience. He is fortunate nobody got physical with him. |
| 269132 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 86 | michael | Dec 31, 2022 | 2022-12-31T17:35:17-0500 | I don’t mind the hum |
| 269148 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 87 | CosmicCruiser | Jan 1, 2023 | 2022-12-31T22:59:53-0500 | I really like the hum. It only starts going when I’m flying down the line, makes it feel like I’m kicking it into gear. |
| 269209 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 88 | Tunnelvision | Jan 2, 2023 | 2023-01-02T00:11:20-0500 | Haha, never though of it that way. Does it give any wobble to either you @KlausTheKook @michael KlausTheKook said: I really like the hum. It only starts going when I'm flying down the line, makes it feel like I'm kicking it into gear. Click to expand... |
| 269218 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 89 | michael | Jan 2, 2023 | 2023-01-02T07:20:44-0500 | Tunnelvision said: Haha, never though of it that way. Does it give any wobble to either you @KlausTheKook @michael Click to expand... Smooth sailing here |
| 269306 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 90 | Tunnelvision | Jan 3, 2023 | 2023-01-03T01:07:51-0500 | Interesting, good to know. Maybe I just imagined it. I do have to say the carbon fins felt a little stiff today so I might go back to the NVS. |
| 269509 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 91 | Raffer | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T08:04:19-0500 | Tunnelvision said: I had some hum with my NVS fins as of late, anyone else had this problem? Only in larger surf but it's loud and wobbly off the bottom. I took some sand paper to them and sharpened them up, it seemed to have helped. I've heard of one other person with this problem on the FM so I thought I'd share in case anyone else come across it. Also just got a pair of the RL x Drab fin colab fins and the problem is completely gone so that's another route. Click to expand... Same experience. Hums quite loud when going full throttle down the line. I didn't know what the sound was at first! |
| 269510 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 92 | Raffer | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T08:09:23-0500 | luuuna said: Wondering if anyone has thoughts on the FM from Lovelace. Discussion on the Lovelace forum was centered more on sizing but was curious to know if anyone hear has ridden one and any impressions on how the board rides in general. Click to expand... Just back from Mentawais trip with a 6"9 FM. Went super well. Glided into drops easier than short board in small-medium size surf. No issues turning and it is fast and flowing. Lives up to expectations! |
| 269512 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 93 | DanSan | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T08:50:16-0500 | Raffer said: Just back from Mentawais trip with a 6"9 FM. Went super well. Glided into drops easier than short board in small-medium size surf. No issues turning and it is fast and flowing. Lives up to expectations! Click to expand... Dang Makes me wish I brought My MOTE massive to Bali Last month.. it and boards like the F/M kill there.. oh well.. wifey and i Had a great time together doing yoga going to Tanabam Ubud.. hiking seeing temples,etc And undergoing a Bali Hindu ritual the Melukat… amazing However. Bali belly is real.. yowza |
| 269515 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 94 | michael | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T10:10:19-0500 | michael said: I don't mind the hum Click to expand... Second thought here. Light humming, at moderate super fast 4th gear is nice. Heavy grindy hum at light speed 6th gear is unnerving. Hit that once so far on scary OH. |
| 269516 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 95 | Bighouse | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T10:29:36-0500 | Are you guys using the NV or the true Ames? The NVs are knifey. |
| 269517 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 96 | michael | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T10:31:46-0500 | Bighouse said: Are you guys using the NV or the true Ames? The NVs are knifey. Click to expand... Nvs |
| 269521 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 97 | fluidworks | Jan 5, 2023 | 2023-01-05T11:31:50-0500 | My true Ames are perfect. No hum. |
| 269617 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 98 | He'e Nalu | Jan 6, 2023 | 2023-01-05T22:43:18-0500 | Anyone wanting to sell their humming NVs or non humming True Ames lovelace twinzer setups I would love to buy them! |
| 269620 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 99 | Tunnelvision | Jan 6, 2023 | 2023-01-05T22:49:46-0500 | Bighouse said: Are you guys using the NV or the true Ames? The NVs are knifey. Click to expand... NVS |
| 269622 | 11198 | Lovelace FM Thoughts | 100 | Tunnelvision | Jan 6, 2023 | 2023-01-05T23:02:07-0500 | When my NVs started to hum I hit up True Ames and they said they'll have some "hoping for early 2023." If that helps at all. leftsonly said: Anyone wanting to sell their humming NVs or non humming True Ames lovelace twinzer setups I would love to buy them Click to expand... |
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