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| 199395 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 21 | jory | Feb 23, 2021 | 2021-02-23T17:13:29-0500 | I messaged cj about fins since we can’t get his flying diamonds brand over here. He recommended a 9 inch l- flex true Ames as an alternative. I’m using a local guys version, same template, hand tuned flex. Mine is probably 3/4 up the box. CJ advised move it forward for small waves and back for bigger faster waves. Feet wise, I still move around a bit but mostly my back foot, I think 7’6 is probably the max for this, longer and you’d need to move both - I posted on the other hull thread that if you watch good surfers on mids (Devon howard for example) they move the back foot a lot. I tend to try and have a pretty full rail engaged bottom turn then move my feet close together in the middle for high line trim. Cutting back you definitely want to get yOur foot back towards the fin. The outlier will cut back like any other egg which is one of the great things about the shape. Single fins generally lose speed through turns a bit compared to tri fins but if you engage enough rail and have a flexy fin then you can still carve a really nice arc. |
| 199463 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 22 | JTS | Feb 24, 2021 | 2021-02-24T08:33:39-0500 | Since the Harley Ingleby Moe got mentioned, I’ll chime in I’ve got an 8’0, I’ve only got about 6 sessions on it but really like it so far. I’ve ridden it in some ok and mediocre EC beach breaks ,waist to head high. Paddles and catches waves great , very responsive on the wave , good speed and light enough to make it easy to maneuver. I ride it as a quad . I still support custom board builders ( going on 10 weeks waiting for the 2 customs I ordered last year ) but I find the Thunderbolt boards feel and ride really good though, I never got along with EPS boards before, where I surf there is usually some wind . Thought the durability would be good especially if I travel with it Jim |
| 199509 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 23 | skurp | Feb 24, 2021 | 2021-02-24T13:22:55-0500 | jory said: I messaged cj about fins since we can't get his flying diamonds brand over here. He recommended a 9 inch l- flex true Ames as an alternative. I'm using a local guys version, same template, hand tuned flex. Mine is probably 3/4 up the box. CJ advised move it forward for small waves and back for bigger faster waves. Feet wise, I still move around a bit but mostly my back foot, I think 7'6 is probably the max for this, longer and you'd need to move both - I posted on the other hull thread that if you watch good surfers on mids (Devon howard for example) they move the back foot a lot. I tend to try and have a pretty full rail engaged bottom turn then move my feet close together in the middle for high line trim. Cutting back you definitely want to get yOur foot back towards the fin. The outlier will cut back like any other egg which is one of the great things about the shape. Single fins generally lose speed through turns a bit compared to tri fins but if you engage enough rail and have a flexy fin then you can still carve a really nice arc. Click to expand... I got one of CJ's involvement fins - went an inch longer - 10in since I'm 6ft 210lbs. To be honest, I was ready to sell the board before I got the bigger fin and moved it up. now that it's been working and fun... I've been in a "if it aint broke, don't fix it" mindset re: the fin. I'll experiment with the placement for bigger days. I haven't had the outlier out in anything over shoulder high - but I did notice feeling out of control on takeoff (when it was bigger). More like I was holding on than surfing. Assumed it was the Indian, not the arrow. But I would love to have this board In bigger surf. I have a 7'6" egg as a thruster I use for bigger days and it's so stable and trustworthy... but once I'm out of the bottom turn - really missing the glide and feel of the outlier for the rest of the wave. |
| 199540 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 24 | WesCantDress | Feb 24, 2021 | 2021-02-24T15:41:13-0500 | Great thread! Im right in the middle of shaping an 8’4 double ender with bottom contours similar to the outlier. I was going to roll the entire bottom, but decided to go with a flat in the tail like the outlier and other variations on hulls I’ve seen. CJ surfing his board may have influenced the decision a little. Current board is a rolled entry, rolled bottom tapering from the front two thirds to flat tail. Slightly different than the outlier in plan shape, as well as having 1/16” of vee out the back door, along with a low rocker. One thing I noticed on CJ’s videos (I haven’t seen board in person) is it looks like the rail profile transitions to a down rail a bit behind the riders back foot (give or take). Can anyone confirm if this is the case? What’s going on back there? Just trying to wrap my head around the different components at work in back half of his board. Also, hearing all the talk about going a little longer (8’+) makes sense as I’ve found that rolled bottoms are killer with a little extra length. 7’6 is a great size as well but will need a little more wave to go! So I pushed the length on mine to 8’4. Great to hear all this feedback about the ride as well... Think I gotta try and get one of these under my feet to get t the complete picture... One thing I noticed on CJ’s videos (I haven’t seen board in person) is it looks like the rail profile transitions to a down rail just behind the riders back foot (give or take). Can anyone confirm if this is the case? What’s going on back there? Just trying to wrap my head around the different components at work in back half of his board. |
| 199545 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 25 | skurp | Feb 24, 2021 | 2021-02-24T16:16:04-0500 | WesCantDress said: Great thread! Im right in the middle of shaping an 8'4 double ender with bottom contours similar to the outlier. I was going to roll the entire bottom, but decided to go with a flat in the tail like the outlier and other variations on hulls I've seen. CJ surfing his board may have influenced the decision a little. Current board is a rolled entry, rolled bottom tapering from the front two thirds to flat tail. Slightly different than the outlier in plan shape, as well as having 1/16" of vee out the back door, along with a low rocker. One thing I noticed on CJ's videos (I haven't seen board in person) is it looks like the rail profile transitions to a down rail a bit behind the riders back foot (give or take). Can anyone confirm if this is the case? What's going on back there? Just trying to wrap my head around the different components at work in back half of his board. Also, hearing all the talk about going a little longer (8'+) makes sense as I've found that rolled bottoms are killer with a little extra length. 7'6 is a great size as well but will need a little more wave to go! So I pushed the length on mine to 8'4. Great to hear all this feedback about the ride as well... Think I gotta try and get one of these under my feet to get t the complete picture... One thing I noticed on CJ's videos (I haven't seen board in person) is it looks like the rail profile transitions to a down rail just behind the riders back foot (give or take). Can anyone confirm if this is the case? What's going on back there? Just trying to wrap my head around the different components at work in back half of his board. Click to expand... This ^^ 100% - I've been on a 7'6" Outlier for a few months - and I love it. But wishing it was just a bit longer to open up the bottom end - most days it's (1-3ft) where I surf it and just below it's range which I feel is (2-6). Considering selling it and picking up an 8 footer. happy to grab some video of my board's bottom contour… |
| 199546 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 26 | WesCantDress | Feb 24, 2021 | 2021-02-24T16:30:33-0500 | skurp said: This ^^ 100% - I've been on a 7'6" Outlier for a few months - and I love it. But wishing it was just a bit longer to open up the bottom end - most days it's (1-3ft) where I surf it and just below it's range which I feel is (2-6). Considering selling it and picking up an 8 footer. happy to grab some video of my board's bottom contours and send your way if that would help Click to expand... I'll take you up on that. PM coming... |
| 199551 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 27 | jory | Feb 24, 2021 | 2021-02-24T16:56:22-0500 | Yep surprisingly thick down rail in the tail not super sharp edge though, also very subtle vee there too |
| 199577 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 28 | WesCantDress | Feb 25, 2021 | 2021-02-24T20:57:27-0500 | jory said: Yep surprisingly thick down rail in the tail not super sharp edge though, also very subtle vee there too View attachment 28037 Click to expand... Interesting. Yea, that board on the left is def showing thickness in the tail. I think savvy shapers are sneaking more foam into their boards without explicitly saying so. On an average SoCal swell, its going to pay dividends. |
| 201192 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 29 | Proper_Mode | Mar 13, 2021 | 2021-03-12T20:24:38-0500 | The more I've seen about the Outlier and Parallax, the more they sound to me like a knock-off Vaquero. I was very interested in acquiring a Parallax initially, but couldn't help but think that if i'm going to shell out for that, why not get the real deal in a long Vaquero. Am I misunderstanding these shapes? |
| 201212 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 30 | WesCantDress | Mar 13, 2021 | 2021-03-13T00:04:32-0500 | Good question. To me the Outlier looks like another variation on an established theme many shapers have used (rolled bottom to vee and flat out the tail), not necessarily a knock off of Marc's shape. Definitely some general similarities there, but it's not a "poor man's Vaquero". More like a board that's exploring late 60's era shapes, like a lot of others right now. But to your point, the real deal Vaquero comes from Marc and that means 30+ years of shaping wisdom and experience... and a, once cult, now mainstream following. Gotta be some secrets in that sauce. Wether the Outlier has some secrets of it's own... |
| 201219 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 31 | jory | Mar 13, 2021 | 2021-03-13T04:30:02-0500 | I haven’t ridden a vacquero but I have had my outlier side by side with one. They are very similar! The bottom contours on the vaquero are more pronounced but similar. You never hear a bad word about a vaquero, they are like hens teeth in the uk though so wasn’t an option for me. The parallax is much more of a longboard style template in comparison but I guess similar bottom. I’ve seen footage of cj on andreinis years ago so wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of flavour came from that direction As said above, it’s a variation on an established theme. I do think the outlier has been designed to be quite neutral and easy to surf and perhaps feels a bit less hully than the vaquero (which itself is always touted as a user friendly hull design). They are both definitely attempts to take some of that late 60’s era stuff and apply some modern principles to make them work better |
| 201795 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 32 | jory | Mar 20, 2021 | 2021-03-20T09:14:27-0400 | Here's some footage of CJ on a vaquero like I alluded to earlier. Should get the opportunity to A/B the outlier with a vaquero this week so will report back |
| 201798 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 33 | Surfnfish | Mar 20, 2021 | 2021-03-20T11:31:23-0400 | question - so being these are Firewire boards, who bought Thunderbolt Technologies, are they built in the Thailand factory? |
| 201800 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 34 | jory | Mar 20, 2021 | 2021-03-20T11:54:06-0400 | Little comparison. vaquero slightly pointier ( think This is a "winter" one) more rocker, bottom contours are pretty much roll to vee but much more pronounced on the vaq ride report to follow Sorry for the upside down pics, rushed posting and not sure why they are all at funny angles. You get the drift |
| 201811 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 35 | Artz | Mar 20, 2021 | 2021-03-20T14:08:52-0400 | Surfnfish said: question - so being these are Firewire boards, who bought Thunderbolt Technologies, are they built in the Thailand factory? Click to expand... My understanding is that Firewire / Thunderbolt is more of a Distribution financing arrangement. Thunderbolt will still be building the Boards. |
| 201826 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 36 | Surfnfish | Mar 20, 2021 | 2021-03-20T18:24:32-0400 | Artz said: My understanding is that Firewire / Thunderbolt is more of a Distribution financing arrangement. Thunderbolt will still be building the Boards. Click to expand... from this it appears Firewire fully acquired them, and the original owners factory, which was relocated from Japan to China as the biz grew, continues to serve the Japanese market. So reading between the lines, would appear the CJ's are coming out of the Thailand factory. Whereas I'll continue to buy my daily drivers from US shapers, have Firewire offer the CJ line in two piece travel boards, and I would stand in line for one... https://shop-eat-surf.com/2019/03/firewire-acquires-longboard-company-carve-sports/ |
| 201848 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 37 | RockyIsland | Mar 21, 2021 | 2021-03-21T05:19:27-0400 | My Parrallax I just purchased online from a surf shop in another state in OZ arrived in a carton with made in China stamped on it. |
| 201850 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 38 | jory | Mar 21, 2021 | 2021-03-21T07:39:15-0400 | Listened to an interesting podcast with ben skinner who does his skin dog brand through thunderbolt. He’s sold on the construction itself but he also made some interesting points about how being involved with FireWire meant he could scale his business and actually make a living at it in a way that he couldn’t have before (& also that thunderbolt themselves had kind of hit a wall themselves and needed access to better distribution.) Dragging this back to the boards themselves...... Just rode the Vaq in San o style stomach high peelers. Took a few waves to dial it in but was a really fun session. So comparisons / impressions as follows. The vaq paddles badly, like it’s under water! They are different boards with a similar flavour. They both like a bowley section and bog a little in super flat sections. The vaquero feels like a proper hull. The roll in the bottom is much more noticeable and the board feels quite “tippy” when you first ride it. It covers ground laterally at an unbelievable speed, climbing and dropping and drawing out bottom turns. It cuts back much more naturally than the full on hull I’ve ridden and you can gently carve a turn back to the whitewater rather than just wallowing through an s turn stall. Backside is do able but it’s definately more fun on your forehand. It rewards a smooth flow. Loved it. The outlier is much more neutral to surf. The flatter bottom contours mean you can push and generally be more aggressive through your turns. It’s less squirley on your backhand. The outlier is definately less far up the hull design branch than the vaquero and is “easier” to surf especially if you are an intermediate surfer - it requires less of a particular style whereas the vaquero definately rewards treating it like a proper hull. The outlier is a great every day board. They’re different enough to own both. |
| 201904 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 39 | WesCantDress | Mar 22, 2021 | 2021-03-21T23:29:27-0400 | jory said: Listened to an interesting podcast with ben skinner who does his skin dog brand through thunderbolt. He's sold on the construction itself but he also made some interesting points about how being involved with FireWire meant he could scale his business and actually make a living at it in a way that he couldn't have before (& also that thunderbolt themselves had kind of hit a wall themselves and needed access to better distribution.) Dragging this back to the boards themselves...... Just rode the Vaq in San o style stomach high peelers. Took a few waves to dial it in but was a really fun session. So comparisons / impressions as follows. The vaq paddles badly, like it's under water! They are different boards with a similar flavour. They both like a bowley section and bog a little in super flat sections. The vaquero feels like a proper hull. The roll in the bottom is much more noticeable and the board feels quite "tippy" when you first ride it. It covers ground laterally at an unbelievable speed, climbing and dropping and drawing out bottom turns. It cuts back much more naturally than the full on hull I've ridden and you can gently carve a turn back to the whitewater rather than just wallowing through an s turn stall. Backside is do able but it's definately more fun on your forehand. It rewards a smooth flow. Loved it. The outlier is much more neutral to surf. The flatter bottom contours mean you can push and generally be more aggressive through your turns. It's less squirley on your backhand. The outlier is definately less far up the hull design branch than the vaquero and is "easier" to surf especially if you are an intermediate surfer - it requires less of a particular style whereas the vaquero definately rewards treating it like a proper hull. The outlier is a great every day board. They're different enough to own both. Click to expand... Great review, appreciate the breakdown @jory . It looks like the Outlier… |
| 201922 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 40 | jory | Mar 22, 2021 | 2021-03-22T03:32:55-0400 | I think the tail widths are pretty similar but will try and measure later. you're right much more vee in the vaq. These pics are with the straight edge touching the leading edge of the fin ( which is mid box) |
| 203973 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 41 | skurp | Apr 10, 2021 | 2021-04-10T14:23:26-0400 | hey all - replaced my 7'6" with an 8'0" - 7'6" up for sale if anyone's interested: [link removed] |
| 205993 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 42 | Hodaddy81 | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-01T20:30:20-0400 | I don't want to use this forum to promote my platform. But if you want to see a honest Outlier review check it out. |
| 206013 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 43 | Budthedog | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-01T23:12:53-0400 | Hodaddy81 said: I don't want to use this forum to promote my platform. But if you want to see a honest Outlier review check it out. Click to expand... Nice work. Like the format |
| 206024 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 44 | jory | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T05:51:34-0400 | Enjoyed that! Post up your next video so we don’t miss it!! think your review was fair bit I also Think you would have enjoyed the 7’6 a bit more! |
| 206028 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 45 | Artz | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T08:22:46-0400 | Hodaddy81, Keep those reviews coming. Nice to see a review from a competent unprofessional Surfer. Someone that has more then a basic understanding of surfboard design. i also agree that you should have been on a 7’6” outlier. Other mid length boards that are useing Thunder bolt are from Harley Ingleby. The Moe and now The Mid 6. |
| 206032 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 46 | Gulfzer5 | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T10:05:39-0400 | Really nice job! Throughly enjoyed watching that. |
| 206058 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 47 | skurp | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T13:49:40-0400 | Hodaddy81 said: I don't want to use this forum to promote my platform. But if you want to see a honest Outlier review check it out. Click to expand... Great review! And (saying this with a smile) you're saying "mystically floating above water" like it's a bad thing? haha - that's what I love about the Outlier - that buttery, floaty weightless feeling. Agree with some of the other comments here - 7'6" may be more your speed, if duck-dive-ability is the imperative. With all due respect, are any boards in the 8ft range "easy" to duckdive? Think its more of a time your paddle-out and use all that volume to get outside as fast as possible between sets, kind of board. Outlier wouldn't be a desert island board for me either - too specialized. In my quiver I use it to make bad waves fun and great, lined-up waves unforgettable. Anyway - keep 'em coming, love the format! |
| 206064 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 48 | Hodaddy81 | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T14:54:50-0400 | skurp said: Great review! And (saying this with a smile) you're saying "mystically floating above water" like it's a bad thing? haha - that's what I love about the Outlier - that buttery, floaty weightless feeling. Agree with some of the other comments here - 7'6" may be more your speed, if duck-dive-ability is the imperative. With all due respect, are any boards in the 8ft range "easy" to duckdive? Think its more of a time your paddle-out and use all that volume to get outside as fast as possible between sets, kind of board. Outlier wouldn't be a desert island board for me either - too specialized. In my quiver I use it to make bad waves fun and great, lined-up waves unforgettable. Anyway - keep 'em coming, love the format! Click to expand... So as far as volume placement it just felt really big to me because most boards I ride in that size are a little less volume in general. With that said I had no problem getting a 8'3 cola pintail in the same technology under enough of the wave to be able to get out. The pintail was a little less volume in the nose in the aspect of thickness and down railed. The outlier was so buoyant at the nose that I could not even get the nose under. Thats more of what I mean. most boards in that shape / style are way more pinched in my experience. I also have had plenty of 8+boards that are wide point back that I can duck dive. Of coarse thats design. With all of this said I am interested in reviewing a " long board" in the thunderbolt tech. Personally I think it is where I will really see more + then -. Anyway thank you for the feedback and yes. good possibility the 7'6 would have been better, but I had to grab what I could get. |
| 206069 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 49 | skurp | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T15:17:54-0400 | Hodaddy81 said: So as far as volume placement it just felt really big to me because most boards I ride in that size are a little less volume in general. With that said I had no problem getting a 8'3 cola pintail in the same technology under enough of the wave to be able to get out. The pintail was a little less volume in the nose in the aspect of thickness and down railed. The outlier was so buoyant at the nose that I could not even get the nose under. Thats more of what I mean. most boards in that shape / style are way more pinched in my experience. I also have had plenty of 8+boards that are wide point back that I can duck dive. Of coarse thats design. With all of this said I am interested in reviewing a " long board" in the thunderbolt tech. Personally I think it is where I will really see more + then -. Anyway thank you for the feedback and yes. good possibility the 7'6 would have been better, but I had to grab what I could get. Click to expand... Ah I see what you mean re: the shape. Also, I'm 215 lbs and believe me when I say being heavy enough to duckdive bigger boards is the only "benefit" to being an extra-large surfer. It mostly makes everything else harder haha. I've heard good things about the cola pintail as well. Give the Parallax a look, too. I rode a 7'6" outlier all winter and decided I wanted a bit more float for smaller surf -I srsly considered the 9'1 parallax because it has the same speed hull as the outlier and it's so well-reveiwed, but went with the outlier at 8 ft cause I really connected with that shape. |
| 206070 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 50 | Ricksurfin | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T15:39:33-0400 | I feel if you’re using it as a step up fun board from a short board you’ll be disappointed, but conversely if you’re using it as a step down from a longboard to gain some performance you’ll love it. A lot of times how you feel about a board just comes down to your perspective. |
| 206075 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 51 | Hodaddy81 | May 2, 2021 | 2021-05-02T17:37:47-0400 | Ricksurfin said: I feel if you're using it as a step up fun board from a short board you'll be disappointed, but conversely if you're using it as a step down from a longboard to gain some performance you'll love it. A lot of times how you feel about a board just comes down to your perspective. Click to expand... the review part of my platform is my perspective and opinion. I am planning on having guests review as well so people get other opinions, but to start the platform off I am doing everything myself. i am just a almost 40 small framed average surfer that surfs average waves in NJ. |
| 206109 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 52 | Planktom | May 3, 2021 | 2021-05-03T02:15:19-0400 | The review was great and well put together. Please don't shy away from posting up reminders on JB if you do any fresh ones. |
| 206113 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 53 | Hodaddy81 | May 3, 2021 | 2021-05-03T08:36:02-0400 | Planktom said: The review was great and well put together. Please don't shy away from posting up reminders on JB if you do any fresh ones. Click to expand... Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. If you go on my website. www.surfcraftunion.com I have a fin review and a interview as well |
| 206117 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 54 | takedown | May 3, 2021 | 2021-05-03T09:47:15-0400 | I'll be watching future reviews. I really like this type of video where normal surfers review boards from their point of view. Your take likely aligns more then super pro joe who is frustrated the board isn't 38L Thanks for sharing and keep posting. |
| 206118 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 55 | Hodaddy81 | May 3, 2021 | 2021-05-03T09:50:47-0400 | takedown said: I'll be watching future reviews. I really like this type of video where normal surfers review boards from their point of view. Your take likely aligns more then super pro joe who is frustrated the board isn't 38L Thanks for sharing and keep posting. Click to expand... That is the exact reason why. I try to find reviews on boards I am interested and the people talking about them are either the pro that has his model. or its a shop that sells the model. Plenty more on the way!! www.surfcraftunion.com |
| 206225 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 56 | jory | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T08:59:42-0400 | I was thinking some more about the “not being able to rip” thing. Cj is small but very powerful and is good at manhandling big boards. He definitely surfs aggressively when he wants to. Seems from what I’ve read that the outlier is positioned almost as a board in his range that is suitable for beginners. I think they’ve added foam and detuned it to a point that it feels very neutral and cruisey and that means it’s lost some performance. As you noted, there’s quite a lot of foam in there. Especially in the rail of the tail. Like I said, I think you’d have found the 7’6 more lively. |
| 206261 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 57 | Hodaddy81 | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T13:13:29-0400 | jory said: I was thinking some more about the "not being able to rip" thing. Cj is small but very powerful and is good at manhandling big boards. He definitely surfs aggressively when he wants to. Seems from what I've read that the outlier is positioned almost as a board in his range that is suitable for beginners. I think they've added foam and detuned it to a point that it feels very neutral and cruisey and that means it's lost some performance. As you noted, there's quite a lot of foam in there. Especially in the rail of the tail. Like I said, I think you'd have found the 7'6 more lively. Click to expand... Totally agree. With that said I am looking forward to trying a longboard outline by him. Where that extra volume will work in my favor. Also lets keep in mind that board mostly in Jersey quick beach breaks with lots of sections. That board even in the 8 foot version would have been amazing in a proper point break. A wave with less obstacles and a wave with plenty of time to figure out the next move. As far as the 7'6 it was not available at the time of purchase. Also I will say that the in depth research i did on this board made the 8'0 sound much smaller because of the tech. Actually even looking on this forum as well I was kinda pushed into the direction of the 8'0 foot. I obviously can not blame any ones opinion on what size board I got and that it did not work out for me. In general I personally like my boards in that length more foiled in the rail no matter what. So unfortunately the 7'6 maybe would have been a smaller outline but not sure if I would have liked it much more. Anyway I do appreciate you checking out my review. Honestly this is the best part about it meaning discussing it with other fellow surfers. I just hope that I am not hurting anyone's feelings about the board. It's literally a review from a 40 year old surfer with a bad back ( like most of us) in not the best waves in New Jersey. |
| 206266 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 58 | jory | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T13:57:02-0400 | Just out of interest how heavy / tall are you? As far as the 7’6 goes, it will whip through a turn and go more top to bottom than I think the 8’ would but it’s still quite a cruisey surf. It’s still essentially a detuned hull. Like I said in here earlier, it’s still a board that has a hull feel and draws hull style lines, it’s just less weird to cutback than a lidddle What I do think losing the 6” does ( for me anyway ) is to allow me to mentally start thinking about the lines I’m going to draw in a slightly more vertical fashion ( climbing and dropping ) and move away from a logger single fin bottom turn and scamper forward into trim kind of approach. It also means you don’t need to move forward and backward so much between a trim and turning position. I think you are right about the rails to a point - I have noticed that on a Shoulder high wave when you’re hauling down the line it can be difficult to keep the rail in the water enough for an aggressive cutback compared to other mid length boards with thinner rails |
| 206268 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 59 | Hodaddy81 | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T14:05:36-0400 | I am 5’ 8 around 140ish? I don’t have a scale in the house haha. But again in a good wave I think I would have had a different experience. Now with all this said I had the pleasure of owning a 8’3 colapintail years ago. believe it or not ion my experience it was way more maneuverable then the outlier. But keep in mind too completely different board. But if we are comparing volume and over all inches the p[intail is 3 inches longer but 5 liters less. None the less the outlier is a great board. Just not my exact cup of tea, but I could see how other people absolutely love it. |
| 206270 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 60 | jory | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T14:18:56-0400 | Yeah so I’m 5’6 and 150ish for comparison and I’ve generally been riding mine in waist to shoulder plus beach break. My friend has the 8’0 - I haven’t had chance to ride it yet but from watching him and picking it up, in my head I feel like I’d be approaching it more as a mini log than an egg if that makes sense. I can totally see the colapintail being more manoeuvrable - it’s a much more “modern” kinda shape, more edge, more foiled, less roll, not a hull inspired board. |
| 206272 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 61 | Hodaddy81 | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T14:38:55-0400 | 100 percent. Please let me know what you think of the 8 foot version. Very interested in your input on a comparison of one size to the other. |
| 206273 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 62 | jory | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T14:48:13-0400 | Definitely will! He’s only just got it so felt a bit mean demanding a go on one of his first few surfs but he’s keen to try the 7’6 so will report back swoon as poss. Forecast is pretty dire here for the next week or so though! Also another observation. The dims on all the cj thunderbolts are quite “fulsome”. Our shop had a 9’6 guerrero which is in theory an even more performancey version of the dead kooks nausea model. I have a 9’4 hand shaped nausea and mine is considerably more svelte then the thunderbolt 9’6 guerrero. I think their sizing is aimed towards “average man” & Bigger! |
| 206280 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 63 | skurp | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T15:34:46-0400 | I'll chime in here - good that you found @jory (Hey dude!) He's been a great guy for me to talk to about all things Outlier. I'm a lot bigger than you guys (6'0 215lbs) and had the 7'6" for the winter. After getting comfortable with it, I was able to more or less able catch and ride anything that wasn't closed out between waist - shoulder high. Found it pretty versatile, all "detuned" hull things considered. Not the easiest board for me to figure out - but I think for someone my size the 7'6" demands a bit more precision and skill. Still haven't fully found the rail on it just yet - but found it much more intuitive to ride with a stiffer, straighter fin. I decided to sell it and get the 8'0" (which should be here any day now) because I got the feeling I was missing a lot of great rides - wanting that extra little bit of float to get into more of the fat, slopey waves this board loves at San O. Anyway - I'll be on the 8'0" soon enough and will give a ride report. Can't wait!! Also - I mentioned this earlier - but I'd love to see your take on the Parallax at 9'1". Folks seem to absolutely love that board - and it has the same speed hull situation the Outlier does, but in a longer format, obviously. I was debating between keeping the 7'6" and getting the 9'1" Parallax. But decided to "sell" the 7'6" and get the 8'0". I put "sell" in quotes because I planned on selling it... but of course wound up trading it for a brand new 7'1" twin haha. I'm hopeless. |
| 206284 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 64 | jory | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T15:46:16-0400 | skurp said: I'll chime in here - good that you found @jory (Hey dude!) He's been a great guy for me to talk to about all things Outlier. I'm a lot bigger than you guys (6'0 215lbs) and had the 7'6" for the winter. After getting comfortable with it, I was able to more or less able catch and ride anything that wasn't closed out between waist - shoulder high. Found it pretty versatile, all "detuned" hull things considered. Not the easiest board for me to figure out - but I think for someone my size the 7'6" demands a bit more precision and skill. Still haven't fully found the rail on it just yet - but found it much more intuitive to ride with a stiffer, straighter fin. I decided to sell it and get the 8'0" (which should be here any day now) because I got the feeling I was missing a lot of great rides - wanting that extra little bit of float to get into more of the fat, slopey waves this board loves at San O. Anyway - I'll be on the 8'0" soon enough and will give a ride report. Can't wait!! Also - I mentioned this earlier - but I'd love to see your take on the Parallax at 9'1". Folks seem to absolutely love that board - and it has the same speed hull situation the Outlier does, but in a longer format, obviously. I was debating between keeping the 7'6" and getting the 9'1" Parallax. But decided to "sell" the 7'6" and get the 8'0". I put "sell" in quotes because I planned on selling it... but of course wound up trading it for a brand new 7'1" twin haha. I'm hopeless. Click to expand... Hey man! slight thread derail but order is in for my twin! 6'10 x 21 x 2.63 or so. Waiting on the shaper to send some templates over so we can fine tune! |
| 206286 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 65 | Hodaddy81 | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T15:55:23-0400 | All good stuff guys. I would love to review a parallax when they become available. With that said if you are into hullish stuff I got some cool stuff on the way. |
| 206289 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 66 | takedown | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T16:10:05-0400 | @skurp thanks for the ride report on the outlier. I'm going to be camping out at San O in mid June and will have a 9'6 parallax if you want to give it a go. I'm picking it up from fluidworks on the drive down. I'll have several other boards to ride and you are welcome to meet up and try it out. I also have a 8' outlier that I'll be picking up and then deciding which boards to leave with family and which to bring back to Oregon |
| 206291 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 67 | Budthedog | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T16:16:59-0400 | Hodaddy81 said: All good stuff guys. I would love to review a parallax when they become available. With that said if you are into hullish stuff I got some cool stuff on the way. Click to expand... Would like to see a review and some footage of that hullabaloo! |
| 206292 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 68 | Hodaddy81 | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T16:20:27-0400 | Budthedog said: Would like to see a review and some footage of that hullabaloo! Click to expand... I am taking a trip soon and only bringing hulls. So there will be footage of the hullabaloo. |
| 206293 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 69 | skurp | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T16:21:01-0400 | jory said: Hey man! slight thread derail but order is in for my twin! 6'10 x 21 x 2.63 or so. Waiting on the shaper to send some templates over so we can fine tune! Click to expand... Yes! What are you thinking for bottom contours? |
| 206295 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 70 | skurp | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T16:29:48-0400 | takedown said: @skurp thanks for the ride report on the outlier. I'm going to be camping out at San O in mid June and will have a 9'6 parallax if you want to give it a go. I'm picking it up from fluidworks on the drive down. I'll have several other boards to ride and you are welcome to meet up and try it out. I also have a 8' outlier that I'll be picking up and then deciding which boards to leave with family and which to bring back to Oregon Click to expand... Awesome! Hell yeah - I live in Oceanside and surf Trails at least once a week. Gimme a shout when you're down here. Looking forward to it |
| 206301 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 71 | takedown | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T18:19:05-0400 | Cool, let's do it. I'm staying at the bluffs 15th - 18th and thinking me and a couple buddies will be down at San O atleast 2 of those days. If it doesn't work out this trip I'll be back in late July and I can always leave the board at my sisters and we can surf it the second trip. Anyone else is welcome to meet up and try it out as well. |
| 206302 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 72 | jory | May 4, 2021 | 2021-05-04T18:24:48-0400 | skurp said: Yes! What are you thinking for bottom contours? Click to expand... Shapers choice which is hull entry into big single concave then vee through fins I think |
| 206314 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 73 | skurp | May 5, 2021 | 2021-05-04T20:58:34-0400 | takedown said: Cool, let's do it. I'm staying at the bluffs 15th - 18th and thinking me and a couple buddies will be down at San O atleast 2 of those days. If it doesn't work out this trip I'll be back in late July and I can always leave the board at my sisters and we can surf it the second trip. Anyone else is welcome to meet up and try it out as well. Click to expand... Nice - headed up to Mendocino for a wedding the 16th - 20th. If you're around the 15th / morning of the 16th - I'll meet up for sher |
| 206315 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 74 | skurp | May 5, 2021 | 2021-05-04T21:00:17-0400 | jory said: Shapers choice which is hull entry into big single concave then vee through fins I think Click to expand... Sweet - what about the tail? |
| 206342 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 75 | jory | May 5, 2021 | 2021-05-05T02:29:27-0400 | Rounded squash tail no channels this is one of his along similar lines. Maybe somewhere between this and yours. Like I said still chatting with him! |
| 206348 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 76 | JTS | May 5, 2021 | 2021-05-05T08:05:32-0400 | Not to derail this discussion, but is there a 9’1” parallax available or are you referring to the 9’0 outlier? Thanks |
| 206351 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 77 | skurp | May 5, 2021 | 2021-05-05T09:32:53-0400 | JTS said: Not to derail this discussion, but is there a 9'1" parallax available or are you referring to the 9'0 outlier? Thanks Click to expand... Parallax - but my mistake - it comes in 9'3, 9'6 and 9'9 https://www.firewiresurfboards.com/collections/longboards-1/products/parallax?variant=34970737705005 |
| 206352 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 78 | JTS | May 5, 2021 | 2021-05-05T09:34:04-0400 | Thanks for the clarification |
| 211108 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 79 | jory | Jun 24, 2021 | 2021-06-24T08:56:27-0400 | View attachment 8489619D-1311-4E19-BA4A-4A49B7047CEF.jpeg quick bump…… still really enjoying the outlier 7'6. It has such a smooth flow to it even in fairly mushy waves and is you can push it through turns much harder than a proper hull. still haven't managed to tide the 8' one but have two friends who love theirs. |
| 211350 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 80 | GETWET | Jun 27, 2021 | 2021-06-26T22:06:28-0400 | Aloha, Surfed my 9'0" Outlier today. Head hi. Gets into waves easy. Very fast and loose. What fins are you guys running in what size Outlier? Thanks James |
| 211352 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 81 | skurp | Jun 27, 2021 | 2021-06-26T22:24:47-0400 | Had a 7'6" this winter. Liked how the 10" Parallax from Flying Diamonds felt. A little more hold and drive in winter surf. Ran it about an inch from the front of the box. Traded that in for an 8'0" - and have been liking a stiffer 9" Tudor Water Skate from DRD - lots more pivot + helps with turning from the middle of the board while trimming through summer mush. Run it all the way up in the box. |
| 211355 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 82 | jory | Jun 27, 2021 | 2021-06-27T02:14:00-0400 | 9” L flex copy in my 7’6. Seems perfect so far and that’s what CJ recommended to me on Instagram when I asked |
| 211596 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 83 | Artz | Jun 29, 2021 | 2021-06-29T10:23:30-0400 | In case anyone is interested there is a 7’6” Outlier for sale on the San Diego Craigslist. |
| 211605 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 84 | Oldmanparker | Jun 29, 2021 | 2021-06-29T11:21:15-0400 | Birds also had a yellow one as of a week ago |
| 211729 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 85 | West81 | Jun 30, 2021 | 2021-06-30T11:16:06-0400 | I have the 8 footer in red One of my favorite boards. Something about the way it glides through the water. At 59 liters you can paddle it into almost everything too. My logging friends are always surprised how many waves I get on it. As you can see on the second pic, you can get in really early. When you start paddlin initially it feels like its pushing water but once you overcome that it paddles great. Can handle a bit of chop and quick directional changes. Set a high line and its insanely fast |
| 211737 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 86 | skurp | Jun 30, 2021 | 2021-06-30T12:38:21-0400 | West81 said: I have the 8 footer in red One of my favorite boards. Something about the way it glides through the water. At 59 liters you can paddle it into almost everything too. My logging friends are always surprised how many waves I get on it. As you can see on the second pic, you can get in really early. When you start paddlin initially it feels like its pushing water but once you overcome that it paddles great. Can handle a bit of chop and quick directional changes. Set a high line and its insanely fast Click to expand... Have an 8ft as well. Pretty remarkable how quick I can pivot into a high line on takeoff. What kind of fin set up are you running? |
| 211835 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 87 | vel525 | Jul 1, 2021 | 2021-07-01T12:57:55-0400 | Artz said: In case anyone is interested there is a 7'6" Outlier for sale on the San Diego Craigslist. Click to expand... Ha this is the one I was looking to buy! I don't have time to make a trip down to SD from LA to pick up a board. Tried to convince the wife we should take our daughter to SD Zoo and SeaWorld, but she's not convinced of my motives yet haha. How does the 7'6" Outlier compare to smaller egg-type boards in the 6'6" - 6'10" range (e.g., Album Pleasant Pheasant)? I'm a smaller guy (140lb) so looking for an all rounder mid-length and considering the 7'6" Outlier but seems a little longer than recommended for my size. I'm generally not a good surfer so something I can take out in most conditions and have fun on. I'm trying really hard to maintain a three board quiver and have a longboard and a Machado seaside that I'm too out of shape to surf these days with a new busier job, so looking for a mid-length as my new go to board. Appreciate any thoughts! |
| 211845 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 88 | Artz | Jul 1, 2021 | 2021-07-01T13:47:44-0400 | How short is your Seaside? |
| 211850 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 89 | vel525 | Jul 1, 2021 | 2021-07-01T13:51:55-0400 | Artz said: How short is your Seaside? Click to expand... 5'8. When I was getting out regularly, this was my daily driver. |
| 211857 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 90 | jory | Jul 1, 2021 | 2021-07-01T14:51:53-0400 | I compared it to a 6’10 egg in the first couple of pages if you look back. I’m a similar size (150) and ride everything from 5’2 mini sims up. It kinda depends how you want to surf. The outlier definitely is about smooth flow. It’s quite flattering to surf. The thunderbolt is quite light so 7’6 won’t feel like too much board compared to a 7’6. You might struggle to duck dive it though. I can duck mine just about but wouldn’t want to be doing it in anything critical. The Ples phez looks super fun though. |
| 211859 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 91 | vel525 | Jul 1, 2021 | 2021-07-01T15:01:13-0400 | jory said: I compared it to a 6'10 egg in the first couple of pages if you look back. I'm a similar size (150) and ride everything from 5'2 mini sims up. It kinda depends how you want to surf. The outlier definitely is about smooth flow. It's quite flattering to surf. The thunderbolt is quite light so 7'6 won't feel like too much board compared to a 7'6. You might struggle to duck dive it though. I can duck mine just about but wouldn't want to be doing it in anything critical. The Ples phez looks super fun though. Click to expand... Thank you! I'll check the first few pages again, somehow I totally missed that. Definitely more flow surfing and I can live with not being able to duck dive it. |
| 213026 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 92 | skurp | Jul 13, 2021 | 2021-07-12T21:19:45-0400 | And the winner is... the 10in Parallax from flying diamonds! Tested it out this past month with the 9.5 Waterskate from DRD, and this 9in my neighbor gave me off an old longboard... and it wasn't even close. The 10in Parallax brings the board to life. I will say, however, I took the board out on a 1.5 ft mushburger day and the 9in fin worked well pivoting quick and staying high to salvage a ride. But in proper surf, board felt kinda dead with the 9in. Interesting because I used to have a 7'6" Outlier and preferred the stiffer 9.5in Water Skate fin in that board... and have no idea why the 10in won out in this one. I'm guessing its because the 7'6" was a little squirrelier and the stiffer fin gave it more hold? Without the Parallax fin the board just feels kind of lifeless. You could still feel some of that slippery hull goodness, but it felt like the volume was just turned down on everything I loved about surfing the outlier. Anyway - thought I'd share. This board is so friggin' fun in this setup. |
| 223653 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 93 | JaM | Oct 17, 2021 | 2021-10-17T08:17:08-0400 | I rode my 7"6 outlier for the first time this weekend and generally speaking I normally ride a new board in everything for 2-3 weeks before forming any strong opinions however, I feel compelled after two waist to chest high sessions to say this board is legit. It is as described in CJ's video reviews AND as per Jory's review on the first page of this thread. I found it chipped into waves easily enough, it is blisteringly quick and Cutbacks are a breeze. Easy to surf forehand and backhand- no quirkiness. Positive feedback from my surfing buddies in both sessions, and it seems perfect for our upcoming Oz summer - which is mostly an onshore flow on the beachies and it should shine on the cleaner point waves when I feel the urge to battle the crowd. The best thing is I am not too precious about it because it's a FW- this might be a little unkind though because it feels great under the arm and not too light. The technology certainly helps performance wise and it still feels very hull like in trim- just not as heavily locked into trim making it much easier to break trim and manouver. One reason for grabbing the 7'6 was the scarcity over here and I am not so keen on the newer model with the side bites. I have owned a liddle which I enjoyed despite certain limitations but seeing cj surf his 7'6 at soft San O convinced me- if it works in softer waves, it will be magnificent at kirra! Just feels like a board I can throw in the car and have fun on regardless of conditions. Best of both worlds thus far and More to come as I explore possibilities over time. Thanks to Jory for his straight up advice |
| 223654 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 94 | Hodaddy81 | Oct 17, 2021 | 2021-10-17T08:23:19-0400 | I did a video review of a 8 foot one and felt that at 8 foot it felt way bigger. They recently released a more stubble outline 7 foot version that actually looks really awesome. It also has the side bites on it so if you wanted to run some more fins configurations. If you want to check out the review its the first episode. https://www.surfcraftunion.com/3-for-30 |
| 223658 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 95 | jory | Oct 17, 2021 | 2021-10-17T09:55:31-0400 | JaM said: I rode my 7"6 outlier for the first time this weekend and generally speaking I normally ride a new board in everything for 2-3 weeks before forming any strong opinions however, I feel compelled after two waist to chest high sessions to say this board is legit. It is as described in CJ's video reviews AND as per Jory's review on the first page of this thread. I found it chipped into waves easily enough, it is blisteringly quick and Cutbacks are a breeze. Easy to surf forehand and backhand- no quirkiness. Positive feedback from my surfing buddies in both sessions, and it seems perfect for our upcoming Oz summer - which is mostly an onshore flow on the beachies and it should shine on the cleaner point waves when I feel the urge to battle the crowd. The best thing is I am not too precious about it because it's a FW- this might be a little unkind though because it feels great under the arm and not too light. The technology certainly helps performance wise and it still feels very hull like in trim- just not as heavily locked into trim making it much easier to break trim and manouver. One reason for grabbing the 7'6 was the scarcity over here and I am not so keen on the newer model with the side bites. I have owned a liddle which I enjoyed despite certain limitations but seeing cj surf his 7'6 at soft San O convinced me- if it works in softer waves, it will be magnificent at kirra! Just feels like a board I can throw in the car and have fun on regardless of conditions. Best of both worlds thus far and More to come as I explore possibilities over time. Thanks to Jory for his straight up advice Click to expand... Hey @JaM stoked you like it ( and quite relieved you don't regret parting with the liddle for It!!) |
| 223849 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 96 | jory | Oct 19, 2021 | 2021-10-19T11:52:06-0400 | Some footage of the new 7'0. Looks fun! https://www.instagram.com/reel/CVNwyHFFm69/?utm_medium=copy_link |
| 223931 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 97 | JaM | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-19T20:33:04-0400 | jory said: Some footage of the new 7'0. Looks fun! https://www.instagram.com/reel/CVNwyHFFm69/?utm_medium=copy_link Click to expand... Saw that! Looks very lively |
| 223971 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 98 | Old Dude | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T07:33:27-0400 | I‘ve seen new Parallaxes advertised in the 8‘ range. (8‘3x23.5x3.25) Does anybody know, how it compares to a similar sized Outlier? Without having seen them in reality, the differences look subtle. In general the Parallax appears to be wider in nose and tail (less pintail) and the widest point looks a little closer to the center, but this may just look like so, because the rails are straighter, more parallel. The bottom contours look very similar. Combined the Parallax gets more volume, catches waves more easily, should be more adapted to smaller, mushier waves than the Outlier, but still capable up to overhead. How would you compare them? |
| 223993 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 99 | Hodaddy81 | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T10:46:55-0400 | Old Dude said: I've seen new Parallaxes advertised in the 8' range. (8'3x23.5x3.25) Does anybody know, how it compares to a similar sized Outlier? Without having seen them in reality, the differences look subtle. In general the Parallax appears to be wider in nose and tail (less pintail) and the widest point looks a little closer to the center, but this may just look like so, because the rails are straighter, more parallel. The bottom contours look very similar. Combined the Parallax gets more volume, catches waves more easily, should be more adapted to smaller, mushier waves than the Outlier, but still capable up to overhead. How would you compare them? Click to expand... Not sure if this helps but th Parallax is CJ's version of a super smoothie by Liddle. Outlier is pretty much a Vaquero. Both boards have his own take which is adding edge to the tail and also I am sure a little more maneuver focused bottom. If you go to CJ's Vimeo you can kinda see a touch of a trend of what he is coming out with next. He doesn't really tend to change much of what he likes. Hence Neo Classic is the Canvas 44 and the sprout is the canvas Purchase. Thunderbolt definitely changes the feel from the fiberglass version to the thunderbolt version but thats another conversation in itself. |
| 224008 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 100 | Old Dude | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T12:05:21-0400 | Thanks for the reply, but since I do not know the smoothie and vaquero by Liddle (just by youtube), I still have the same problem. If I would describe the smoothie and parallax more an forgiving egg-shape, combined with a hullish bottom and the vaquero and outlier a little bit more performance orientated, would this be right? This is how I would interpret the shapes, but who I‘am, I will never have the experience of somebody riding and building boards for years, since I do not have access to an ocean permanently |
| 224010 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 101 | jory | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T12:10:07-0400 | Hodaddy81 said: Not sure if this helps but th Parallax is CJ's version of a super smoothie by Liddle. Outlier is pretty much a Vaquero. Both boards have his own take which is adding edge to the tail and also I am sure a little more maneuver focused bottom. If you go to CJ's Vimeo you can kinda see a touch of a trend of what he is coming out with next. He doesn't really tend to change much of what he likes. Hence Neo Classic is the Canvas 44 and the sprout is the canvas Purchase. Thunderbolt definitely changes the feel from the fiberglass version to the thunderbolt version but thats another conversation in itself. Click to expand... Point of Order, the sprout is based on the board that cj rode in the sprout film and goes back to the boards he had as a pro model with Bob Pearson The vaq / smoothie thing is dead on id say. Carry on! Edit. CJ describes the outlier as a "speed shape" and the parallax as more of a turning longboard shape. I'd suggest the bottom is quite similar on both and both will feel quite similar, the oarallax will probably work better in slightly smaller waves and paddle better. The outlier will be slightly more "performance" but that's a relative term since both are hull influenced single fins. |
| 224018 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 102 | Ricksurfin | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T13:17:00-0400 | You’re correct with the outline of the Outlier having a more pulled nose and tail, which creates more curve in the outline making it more of an “eggy” shape. Bottom contours are very similar. |
| 224020 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 103 | Hodaddy81 | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T13:30:48-0400 | jory said: Point of Order, the sprout is based on the board that cj rode in the sprout film and goes back to the boards he had as a pro model with Bob Pearson The vaq / smoothie thing is dead on id say. Carry on! Edit. CJ describes the outlier as a "speed shape" and the parallax as more of a turning longboard shape. I'd suggest the bottom is quite similar on both and both will feel quite similar, the oarallax will probably work better in slightly smaller waves and paddle better. The outlier will be slightly more "performance" but that's a relative term since both are hull influenced single fins. Click to expand... Correct on the film sprout itself. But if you check out a interview that the guy from the shred show did with CJ he says its taken off the purchase from Ryan Engle AKA Canvas surfboards. Which is also why Ryan will shape you a custom Sprout if you don't love the stock dims which guys like Seemonster surf. Keep in mind also the original sprout from that film was shaped by Dane Perlee which at the time was shaping for Pearson |
| 224023 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 104 | Old Dude | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T14:17:43-0400 | Ricksurfin said: You're correct with the outline of the Outlier having a more pulled nose and tail, which creates more curve in the outline making it more of an "eggy" shape. Bottom contours are very similar. Click to expand... Ha Ha, we think the same, but according to me, the parallax is the egg…, maybe we should consider that a real egg has a wide and a more pulled in side |
| 224036 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 105 | fluidworks | Oct 20, 2021 | 2021-10-20T15:17:10-0400 | I will say it’s mostly splitting hairs. The difference between the 8’ outlier and 8’3” parallax is going to be largely imagined unless you’re surfing at a very high level in good surf. For mere mortals in regular junk conditions it’s whichever one looks and feels good under arm. |
| 224118 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 106 | jory | Oct 21, 2021 | 2021-10-21T02:22:47-0400 | Hodaddy81 said: Correct on the film sprout itself. But if you check out a interview that the guy from the shred show did with CJ he says its taken off the purchase from Ryan Engle AKA Canvas surfboards. Which is also why Ryan will shape you a custom Sprout if you don't love the stock dims which guys like Seemonster surf. Keep in mind also the original sprout from that film was shaped by Dane Perlee which at the time was shaping for Pearson Click to expand... Not that I'm a sad internet nerd or anything but I asked them! Thanks |
| 224119 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 107 | Old Dude | Oct 21, 2021 | 2021-10-21T02:33:59-0400 | Reply to #105 I agree, if… … if you do not have a chance to compare and use both boards at the same occasion. Then even a beginner will realize the biggest difference, which is Volume. An 8‘0 Outlier has 60l and I guess an 8‘3 Paralax goes up to 70l. And this is a lot more, resulting in a much higher buoyancy (hope I spelled it right), which may be felt during everything before popping up and after the ride. Paddling Duckdiving, Storage etc., and since it is a lot more, it will be felt during a ride, maybe in a much lesser degree. |
| 224208 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 108 | fluidworks | Oct 21, 2021 | 2021-10-21T19:28:52-0400 | Volume is just about the last metric I would use to judge a board. I would be more interested in rail foil, rocker, wide point location, edge in the rail, etc. all of which are largely carried over between the two different boards, per Ryan Engle. Rick is right that the main difference is the tail getting pulled in more on the outlier. You’re right that the parallax will probably paddle faster. I’m saying those differences aren’t likely night and day once you’re up on an average wave surfing at an average level. |
| 224252 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 109 | Old Dude | Oct 22, 2021 | 2021-10-22T02:46:20-0400 | fluidworks said: . I'm saying those differences aren't likely night and day once you're up on an average wave surfing at an average level. Click to expand... Yes, absolutely right! The boards volume will just give a different feel and maybe the higher buoyancy of the Parallax is the key to its suppossed to feel better turnability (combined with the wider tail.) I'm questioning the differences, because I want to build a new wooden board with their characteristics. In the moment, I plan on a „Para-Lier", influenced by both, which I already started designing in BoardCad. To get something different to my other boards, the measures are 8'8x22 13/16x3 1/8, resulting in 70l volume. The following screen shot shows a preliminary, slightly narrower version. The following link shows the build of my adaption of the colapintail mid-length. This board is definitely fun, it turns and you can almost pump it, its 8'0 and feels more like 7'x. For me, it is my shortboard I had some difficulties with the cork deck, but I still love it. |
| 233906 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 110 | Cuttlefish | Jan 15, 2022 | 2022-01-15T13:30:49-0500 | jory said: Some footage of the new 7'0. Looks fun! https://www.instagram.com/reel/CVNwyHFFm69/?utm_medium=copy_link Click to expand... Anyone riding the 7'er...thoughts? |
| 233914 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 111 | jory | Jan 15, 2022 | 2022-01-15T14:15:16-0500 | I’ve fondled it and spoken to a guy who has one. It’s fatter than the 7’6 and has more volume in it despite being shorter. The guy reckoned it caught waves easily and he was really enjoying it. He likened it to a burrito ( can’t remebe if that was Liddle or fine line) dunno how accurate that is. It kind of reminded me of a mini simmons kinda deal. I haven’t seen him surf it and he isn’t a expert surfer but he has had an 8’0 outlier and wanted something he could cycle with more easily. He was loving it. I think it’s a somewhat different board to the other outliers though |
| 233949 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 112 | Cuttlefish | Jan 16, 2022 | 2022-01-15T22:05:57-0500 | I just acquired a lightly used one yesterday and was curious to see what others thought of it. Rolled up to my local point and it's 4-6' of swell from Cyclone Cody. Bugger it might as well go and explore its upper limits. Got lucky on the paddle out and so it was relatively easy, which is a good thing considering the nose width and its thickness making it a chore to duckdive. Noticed I had to lie back a little further aft on the board than I normally would otherwise the nose tends to push water. Moved back a tad and all good. As soon as I got out the back a good sized one rolled through and straight into it. Take the drop and into the bottom turn and could feel the forward rail drift but I control it and it goes mach speed across the face. Do a down carve which turns into a layback as the tail drifts. Even with the 9" Greenough template fin set another inch further back than in the pic below and the large bonzer sides the tail is still letting go due to its width. I have the opportunity to spin and go on another medium sized one while paddling back out and it's bar of soap drifty but super fast speed across the wave. Figure upper limit of the board with that fin configuration at least is established so head in and grab my 8' balsa Sunova 8ball and back out to catch some bombs. Can't wait to ride the Outlier in 2-3'ers. Sure it will be fun. |
| 233972 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 113 | West81 | Jan 16, 2022 | 2022-01-16T10:52:05-0500 | I came accross this one from last winter. 8' outlier. Wave is kinda slopey but check that furrow |
| 233984 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 114 | jory | Jan 16, 2022 | 2022-01-16T12:51:54-0500 | Yep!!! As I mentioned in the vaquero thread, the thing I like about the outlier is that you don't need to nurse your turns like you do on a more hully board! Not sure I posted these before.,,,, |
| 234091 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 115 | Hodaddy81 | Jan 17, 2022 | 2022-01-17T10:27:51-0500 | Cuttlefish said: I just acquired a lightly used one yesterday and was curious to see what others thought of it. Rolled up to my local point and it's 4-6' of swell from Cyclone Cody. Bugger it might as well go and explore its upper limits. Got lucky on the paddle out and so it was relatively easy, which is a good thing considering the nose width and its thickness making it a chore to duckdive. Noticed I had to lie back a little further aft on the board than I normally would otherwise the nose tends to push water. Moved back a tad and all good. As soon as I got out the back a good sized one rolled through and straight into it. Take the drop and into the bottom turn and could feel the forward rail drift but I control it and it goes mach speed across the face. Do a down carve which turns into a layback as the tail drifts. Even with the 9" Greenough template fin set another inch further back than in the pic below and the large bonzer sides the tail is still letting go due to its width. I have the opportunity to spin and go on another medium sized one while paddling back out and it's bar of soap drifty but super fast speed across the wave. Figure upper limit of the board with that fin configuration at least is established so head in and grab my 8' balsa Sunova 8ball and back out to catch some bombs. Can't wait to ride the Outlier in 2-3'ers. Sure it will be fun. View attachment 38812 Click to expand... I personally really like the bonzerish fins that you chose but I bet a set of more upright 3.25 side fins and a 8 inch skip style fin that thing would be locked and loaded. I have one on the way as well. Looking forward to really trying a lot of fin configurations |
| 234092 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 116 | Cuttlefish | Jan 17, 2022 | 2022-01-17T10:51:34-0500 | Hodaddy81 said: I personally really like the bonzerish fins that you chose but I bet a set of more upright 3.25 side fins and a 8 inch skip style fin that thing would be locked and loaded. I have one on the way as well. Looking forward to really trying a lot of fin configurations Click to expand... We are on the same page. I am planning on putting in some upright side fins in for another crack at it today. I will try the rear fins out of a "controller" set and I also have a set of GX-Qs if I want to try smaller again. Don't have an 8" Skip template on hand so may have to run with the Alkali 7.25" classic I have. May chase up this one to try. https://alkalifins.com/shop/fins/dvs-single/ Or this in a 9" https://surfzero.com.au/collections/9-fins/products/scarfini-9-eco-longboard-fin but 8" ones are also available. Figure it hasn't got enough fin height for the tail width but the fin pictured that I ran first go out has its tab at the rear so limits how far back in the box I can push it. The Alkali has its tab at the front so can be pushed all the way to the back of the box. However since it's a "Hull-ish" board as opposed to a more pure iteration I am spitballing with fins and combinations since I don't have experience with either. I also have to be careful as I have a bad lower back which has had me riding twins and quads for many, many years since riding thruster fin configurations tend to give me a sore lower back which I attribute to the anchoring characteristic of the thruster's rear fin which then exerts torque on my lower back in turns. This is just what I have found and is in no way an observation of anyone else's lower back situations so I am cautious to have too much centre fin area controlling the board. This is a closer look at the fin I originally tried. |
| 234096 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 117 | Hodaddy81 | Jan 17, 2022 | 2022-01-17T11:00:35-0500 | Cuttlefish said: We are on the same page. I am planning on putting in some upright side fins in for another crack at it today. Since it requires FCS 1 fins I don't have a lot of options in my fin quiver but will try running the rear quads out of a "controller" set and I also have a set of GX-Qs if I want to try smaller again. Don't have an 8" Skip template on hand so may have to run with the Alkali 7.25" classic I have. May chase up this one to try. https://alkalifins.com/shop/fins/dvs-single/ Figure it hasn't got enough fin height for the tail width but the fin pictured that I ran first go out has its tab at the rear so limits how far back in the box I can push it. The Alkali has its tab at the front so can be pushed all the way to the back of the box. However since it's a "Hull-ish" board as opposed to a more pure iteration I am spitballing with fins and combinations since I don't have experience with either. View attachment 38878 This is a closer look at the fin I originally tried. View attachment 38879 Click to expand... So many options for something like this. Also so many wave/fin/tide combinations. Makes my mind explode sometimes haha. Anyway if you really want to explore some hullish feels check something like these out too. https://www.trueames.com/collections/fcs-compatible-fins/products/2-6-side-bite-single-tab . Pair it with a greenough or liddle style fin. But if you want a little more rip in your turns bigger side ( not too big) and a smaller center ( not too small) can be magic. Good luck experimenting it's a full on trip. |
| 234097 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 118 | Cuttlefish | Jan 17, 2022 | 2022-01-17T11:07:51-0500 | Hodaddy81 said: So many options for something like this. Also so many wave/fin/tide combinations. Makes my mind explode sometimes haha. Anyway if you really want to explore some hullish feels check something like these out too. https://www.trueames.com/collections/fcs-compatible-fins/products/2-6-side-bite-single-tab . Pair it with a greenough or liddle style fin. But if you want a little more rip in your turns bigger side ( not too big) and a smaller center ( not too small) can be magic. Good luck experimenting it's a full on trip. Click to expand... So what happens when the side fins are over-sized in this kind of board? I was editing my post while you replied to add in info about bad lower back effecting fin choices so You hadn't seen that yet. |
| 234099 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 119 | SeniorGrom | Jan 17, 2022 | 2022-01-17T11:08:55-0500 | Cuttlefish said: We are on the same page. I am planning on putting in some upright side fins in for another crack at it today. Since it requires FCS 1 fins I don't have a lot of options in my fin quiver but will try running the rear quads out of a "controller" set and I also have a set of GX-Qs if I want to try smaller again. Don't have an 8" Skip template on hand so may have to run with the Alkali 7.25" classic I have. May chase up this one to try. https://alkalifins.com/shop/fins/dvs-single/ Or this in a 9" https://surfzero.com.au/collections/9-fins/products/scarfini-9-eco-longboard-fin but 8" ones are also available. Figure it hasn't got enough fin height for the tail width but the fin pictured that I ran first go out has its tab at the rear so limits how far back in the box I can push it. The Alkali has its tab at the front so can be pushed all the way to the back of the box. However since it's a "Hull-ish" board as opposed to a more pure iteration I am spitballing with fins and combinations since I don't have experience with either. I also have to be careful as I have a bad lower back which has had me riding twins and quads for many, many years since riding thruster fin configurations tend to give me a sore lower back which I attribute to the anchoring characteristic of the thruster's rear fin which then exerts torque on my lower back in turns. This is just what I have found and is in no way an observation of anyone else's lower back situations so I am cautious to have too much centre fin area controlling the board. View attachment 38878 This is a closer look at the fin I originally tried. View attachment 38879 Click to expand... Off topic and I might have missed it but tell us more about the cork rail board above.......... |
| 234102 | 9758 | CJ Nelson Outlier reviews? | 120 | Hodaddy81 | Jan 17, 2022 | 2022-01-17T11:14:46-0500 | Cuttlefish said: So what happens when the side fins are over-sized in this kind of board? I was editing my post while you replied to add in info about bad lower back effecting fin choices so You hadn't seen that yet. Click to expand... well if you are going to ride big side bites then you might as well just ride it as a twin. Which is completely doable. But maybe not how that board was designed to surf. But maybe it's something to explore If you want. Literally so many options. To me I enjoy having the 3.25 style fin as max height in a 2 plus 1. Gives hold in turns. Allows a touch of lift and minimal drag. I am more of a longboard person so like the feel of the center fin having the max amount of hold |
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