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| 215675 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 1 | mightyrime | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T17:10:50-0400 | I have been poking around for a new noserider.. checking most the major brands... Seems like $1450 is the new average.. Like $1530 with tax! Were boards like $1250 at the start of the year? And like $1100 the year before covid? I mean surfing is my thing and i dont want to cheap out and cut corners... but thats a good chunk of change for off the rack.. Probably gonna keep poking around used Curious though have they just recently risen another 10%? |
| 215677 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 2 | Jc Nelson | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T17:21:43-0400 | all the cool kids are doing it. just saw $5.19/ga for diesel, $5.19 and $5.09 respectively for premium and mid grade at the 76 station just down the road... |
| 215678 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 3 | JM NB | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T17:33:48-0400 | supply/demand, lack of glassers/skilled labor, material cost increase due to covid, inflation to name a few Most handshapers aren't getting rich shaping boards. As much as it hurts to shell out that much for a board, it's probably fair. |
| 215679 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 4 | Guest | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T17:52:19-0400 | mightyrime said: Curious though have they just recently risen... Click to expand... |
| 215694 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 5 | MASErides | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T19:00:49-0400 | Yes more expensive for reasons listed above by others. Used market could be seeing its top possibly? I am seeing more boards sitting at the $1,000/+ mark now, unless the name is Burch, Andreini, Liddle, some Gatos, etc. A lot of it is that the board shouldn't be priced that high from the start, people are being more selective as their quivers are probably big, and unemployment is running out for a lot of people. I'd say its still a sellers market overall. |
| 215697 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 6 | WillieP | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T19:32:54-0400 | Yep, it appears prices have risen significantly in the past 3 months. Case in point, about 3 months ago 10’2” a Liddle Pathfinder was listed on the Daydream Surf Shop site at $1350. Today same board listed at $1700. The impact of supply and demand on price is real. |
| 215698 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 7 | Human | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T19:33:37-0400 | Price of resin nearly doubled over night, so there’s that. |
| 215700 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 8 | Jc Nelson | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T19:57:19-0400 | WillieP said: The impact of supply and demand on price is real. Click to expand... not to discount it (har), but i think there is a lot of cashing in going on. the getting while the getting is good type a deal and when its pushing $100 bucks at the pump to fill your truck and you can't walk out of the grocery store without feeling robbed, i can hardly fault em. not to make it political but face it, choices were made and your dollar is worth considerably less as a result |
| 215701 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 9 | Dasein | Aug 4, 2021 | 2021-08-04T19:57:31-0400 | Seems like it, the daydream example above is a great one. Just got a board off the rack and it was 1500 before tax. Which I am not excited to pay, but I will for a hand shaped board. I understand it a lot of time to make not much money. But I think there is an issue when shapers/companies charge top dollar bringing the ruse that they are hand shaped, but really they are cnc then hand finished. I will not pay top dollar for a CNC. Had a chat with Ryan Lovelace about this, according to him there are a lot of boutique brands doing this. Charging top dollar and people think they are hand shaped, but really CNC them hand finished. The used market seems to be pretty picked over at all times and priced pretty high. But then again, a surfboard is only worth as much as someone will pay. I bet when we sell boards we want as much as we can get too. |
| 215704 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 10 | SeniorGrom | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T20:24:07-0400 | Just skip the quiver mentality and buy two custom boards at $2,000 each. You’ll have great surfboards and save thousands. |
| 215706 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 11 | Nalu | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T20:45:37-0400 | Looks like it my friends. Can't believe that one of my Hobie custom only cost $147.90… in 1965 To put this in perspective though, that amounts to $1,252 in 2021 dollars considering both average inflation rate of 3.9% and cumulative inflation since. While wages/salaries have stagnated over time and costs of living have risen, surfboards-wise we're not faring too bad. If anything, it makes selecting the right shaper for our customs an even more important choice - reduce, reuse, recycle, repurpose. Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 215708 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 12 | Sax-son | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T20:57:35-0400 | I thought I was paying a lot in 2020. Compared to today, I was getting the bro deals. |
| 215710 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 13 | PeakMaster | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T21:18:27-0400 | Inflation is real. Some of the shortages are bullshit and some are/were real. Lumber shortage and price spike was real...thankfully coming to an end soon. Chlorine shortage because all of the pool Chlorine in the US came from one factory that burned down? That's horseshit...opportunistic price gouging. And what about the container ship that was stuck in the Suez canal? Seems every company in the US had goods on it. Crock of shit |
| 215713 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 14 | Sax-son | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T21:48:55-0400 | Nalu said: Looks like it my friends. Can't believe that one of my Hobie custom only cost $147.90… in 1965 To put this in perspective though, that amounts to $1,252 in 2021 dollars considering both average inflation rate of 3.9% and cumulative inflation since. While wages/salaries have stagnated over time and costs of living have risen, surfboards-wise we're not faring too bad. If anything, it makes selecting the right shaper for our customs an even more important choice - reduce, reuse, recycle, repurpose. View attachment 33118 Click to expand... It's interest to see that receipt. Depending on the board, the average was around $135.00 on the West Coast at that time so it seems there was about a $10.00 difference. |
| 215715 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 15 | Nalu | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T22:00:03-0400 | Sax-son said: It's interest to see that receipt. Depending on the board, the average was around $135.00 on the West Coast at that time so it seems there was about a $10.00 difference. Click to expand... Here's the original order form - the color panels were $5 extra, and cross-country shipping was $10. Note the 22-day turnaround time! Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 215717 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 16 | MASErides | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T22:19:07-0400 | InI said: Seems like it, the daydream example above is a great one. Just got a board off the rack and it was 1500 before tax. Which I am not excited to pay, but I will for a hand shaped board. I understand it a lot of time to make not much money. But I think there is an issue when shapers/companies charge top dollar bringing the ruse that they are hand shaped, but really they are cnc then hand finished. I will not pay top dollar for a CNC. Had a chat with Ryan Lovelace about this, according to him there are a lot of boutique brands doing this. Charging top dollar and people think they are hand shaped, but really CNC them hand finished. The used market seems to be pretty picked over at all times and priced pretty high. But then again, a surfboard is only worth as much as someone will pay. I bet when we sell boards we want as much as we can get too. Click to expand... I'd be interested to know who some of these shapers are? Who say hand shaped but are CNC, then hand finished. Could also see shapers turning to this to deal with their backlog of orders. BUT I 100 percent agree boards take a lot of time, skill, and knowledge to make, they are still pretty cheap considering that. |
| 215718 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 17 | sonOsea | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T22:31:32-0400 | Think the pricing is overdue personally,specially for hand shaped customs. Go buy the shit yourself and have a go at shaping and glassing. By the end of your journey you'll understand. |
| 215719 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 18 | Dasein | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T22:36:56-0400 | MASErides said: I'd be interested to know who some of these shapers are? Who say hand shaped but are CNC, then hand finished. Could also see shapers turning to this to deal with their backlog of orders. BUT I 100 percent agree boards take a lot of time, skill, and knowledge to make, they are still pretty cheap considering that. Click to expand... He mentioned quite a few, for some reason Im a bit hesitant to put them on blast on an open forum. It was that they don't say they are either but charge top dollar to only leave people to come to the conclusion that they are hand shaped; or just say they are hand shaped. He didn't distinguish between who specifically does which one though. Then only really hand shape for friends, team, etc. |
| 215721 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 19 | Jc Nelson | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T22:53:28-0400 | QUOTE="InI, post: 215719, member: 4833"] He mentioned quite a few, for some reason Im a bit hesitant to put them on blast on an open forum. It was that they don't say they are either but charge top dollar to only leave people to come to the conclusion that they are hand shaped; or just say they are hand shaped. He didn't distinguish between who specifically does which one though. Then only really hand shape for friends, team, etc. PM me and I'd gladly share. [/QUOTE] lame. lovelace has been put on blast of late for his virtue signaling bullshit trolling wonder what he thinks of cc Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 215723 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 20 | Dasein | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T22:59:18-0400 | Jc Nelson said: QUOTE="InI, post: 215719, member: 4833"] He mentioned quite a few, for some reason Im a bit hesitant to put them on blast on an open forum. It was that they don't say they are either but charge top dollar to only leave people to come to the conclusion that they are hand shaped; or just say they are hand shaped. He didn't distinguish between who specifically does which one though. Then only really hand shape for friends, team, etc. PM me and I'd gladly share. Click to expand... lame. lovelace has been put on blast of late for his virtue signaling trolling bullshit wonder what he thinks of cc [/QUOTE] I definitely see that perspective of the situation. Cant say that thought hasn't crossed my mind before as I've yet to see another shaper do the same. But also, if there is no difference in cost between hand shape and CNC then it kind of is doing a disservice to handshapers. IMO there should be a hierarchy in cost with handshape start/finish at the top. Lame on which part of the situation? Me posting? Him or saying it? |
| 215725 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 21 | Jc Nelson | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T23:32:48-0400 | a little of one and a lot of the other. little on your part for playing into the trend of guys on a public forum insinuating special knowledge a lot on ryan's part. from what ive read of his ig posts he's got some shapers living rent free in his head. guys got an agenda and comes across as being a self serving pos |
| 215728 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 22 | Dasein | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-04T23:49:39-0400 | Jc Nelson said: a little of one and a lot of the other. little on your part for playing into the trend of guys on a public forum insinuating special knowledge a lot on ryan's part. from what ive read of his ig posts he's got some shapers living rent free in his head. guys got an agenda and comes across as being a self serving pos Click to expand... That's fair, as this is a hot topic and it's changing the direction on this thread. So this is the last I will respond on this topic. This is by no means an insult towards their shaping ability or knowledge. There is nothing wrong with a CNC'ed board. Neither is more moral or immoral. I understand both sides. To handshape everything you would never have enough time to actually surf as a high caliber shaper. Which is why they started in the first place. I, aswell and the majority of the population, couldn't tell the difference. I think it's a matter of knowing what your buying, which isn't crazy to ask. I can also see how he can come across as trying to express he is on some moral high ground. I don't claim to have special knowledge, I don't know him at all. Just sparked up a conversation with him and that's were it went. I'm sure anyone could ask him and get the exact answers I did. He expresses this concern to the public. I also question the validity of his claims of certain brands. |
| 215730 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 23 | dingdong | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T00:03:41-0400 | my buddy just ordered a CI Mid....$1400 and change! prices have definitely gone up...my mandala microlight for 1100 seems like a steal now...hehe |
| 215738 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 24 | NateB | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T00:59:03-0400 | There are still so many VERY capable hand shapers making high quality longboards, and not charging this price. 1500+ in my experience is a custom board with bells & whistles, or a board off the rack at one of the big box shops. byzak, EC, Kris hall, elmore, larmo, mitsven |
| 215740 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 25 | Jc Nelson | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T01:09:12-0400 | funny. the overnight master shaper. i know. my pet peev. elevating krishall/elmore to byzak/larmo/mitsven status. and if youre reading, sorry ryan. lovelace does not equal andreini |
| 215743 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 26 | NateB | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T01:15:12-0400 | Jc Nelson said: funny. the overnight master shaper. i know. my pet peev. elevating krishall/elmore to byzak/larmo/mitsven status. and if youre reading, sorry ryan. lovelace does not equal andreini Click to expand... Never said they were the same status, I just said you can get a high quality hand shaped board at an affordable price from these shapers and that's the truth. |
| 215744 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 27 | JM NB | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T01:22:26-0400 | Jc Nelson said: funny. the overnight master shaper. i know. my pet peev. elevating krishall/elmore to byzak/larmo/mitsven status. and if youre reading, sorry ryan. lovelace does not equal andreini Click to expand... Every generation has their shapers just like their musicians. People like the hype around new things. I have an andreini because I love the history and dedication to craftsmanship. I have a Elmore on the way because he is similar age/build and surfs like someone my age, who I aspire to surf like. Not discounting what you said but wanted to share my perspective on it |
| 215746 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 28 | Jc Nelson | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T01:36:00-0400 | jackm said: Every generation has their shapers just like their musicians. People like the hype around new things. I have an andreini because I love the history and dedication to craftsmanship. I have a Elmore on the way because he is similar age/build and surfs like someone my age, who I aspire to surf like. Not discounting what you said but wanted to share my perspective on it Click to expand... and not discounting the skills of emerging talent, but there is no substitute for experience. to quote a scrawl on the wall of al johnson's swanton workshop circa 1984- "youth and speed are no match for age and treachery" |
| 215751 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 29 | SMUKES | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T02:26:48-0400 | Larry Mabile and Bob Mitsven aren't exactly emerging shapers. They're every bit the Andreni, in my biased opinion their boards run better. |
| 215755 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 30 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T08:53:39-0400 | InI said: That's fair, as this is a hot topic and it's changing the direction on this thread. So this is the last I will respond on this topic. This is by no means an insult towards their shaping ability or knowledge. There is nothing wrong with a CNC'ed board. Neither is more moral or immoral. I understand both sides. To handshape everything you would never have enough time to actually surf as a high caliber shaper. Which is why they started in the first place. I, aswell and the majority of the population, couldn't tell the difference. I think it's a matter of knowing what your buying, which isn't crazy to ask. I can also see how he can come across as trying to express he is on some moral high ground. I don't claim to have special knowledge, I don't know him at all. Just sparked up a conversation with him and that's were it went. I'm sure anyone could ask him and get the exact answers I did. He expresses this concern to the public. I also question the validity of his claims of certain brands. Click to expand... To be honest, I'm sorta surprised that anyone here is surprised that's how things work by now?! Any of the brands that do big enough numbers to have a global presence are doing things with cnc. It's the only way for a shaper to do the numbers without killing their body and enthusiasm. People love bings on here but Matt sure as hell isnt shaping the boards for sale in Cornwall by hand. I don't really think many shapers are trying to conceal it either, they just don't differentiate between a full hand shape and a cnc pre cut. Tyler Hatzikian does and is priced accordingly. Mccallum moved away from volume and bumped his prices to avoid doing it. Many shapers of quality now will design on the cnc then tweak by hand anyway even for a full custom. I don't think that makes the board any less custom. I'd actually rather that than buy a "name" board that's ghost shaped by hand by someone completely different - which is what used to happen with many big names off t… |
| 215757 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 31 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T09:04:13-0400 | Also, on today’s prices, a thomas bexon log is $2300 over here! |
| 215759 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 32 | JMJackFish | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T09:39:57-0400 | Here are the prices for a glass shop - this doesn't account for blank costs, shaping costs and time, etc... |
| 215760 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 33 | Sax-son | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T10:05:48-0400 | Nalu said: Here's the original order form - the color panels were $5 extra, and cross-country shipping was $10. Note the 22-day turnaround time! View attachment 33120 Click to expand... Yes, that seem right in line to what you would expect during that era. When adjusted for inflation(based on the calculators)surfboards are about the same today as they were then. The US Govt. calculator are a little behind I believe. |
| 215761 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 34 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T10:06:30-0400 | JMJackFish said: Here are the prices for a glass shop - this doesn't account for blank costs, shaping costs and time, etc... View attachment 33130 Click to expand... so easily $800 to $900 for a blank and a resin tint & gloss/ polish finish before the shaper or the shop gets paid anything out of your $1500 |
| 215763 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 35 | Sax-son | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T10:16:01-0400 | Like I have said before on this forum, if I order a board and it comes out the way I like it, I don't care what tool was used to create it. CNC, plainer, whatever. If I know the shaper and that is what they are using, I have all the faith in them that they know what they are doing. That's it.! |
| 215771 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 36 | Artz | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T12:02:50-0400 | NateB said: There are still so many VERY capable hand shapers making high quality longboards, and not charging this price. 1500+ in my experience is a custom board with bells & whistles, or a board off the rack at one of the big box shops. byzak, EC, Kris hall, elmore, larmo, mitsven Click to expand... Some of the Shapers you listed do use CNC cutter. That dose not take away from the years of knowledge on dealing with complex curves In relation to how a Board performs. they may not have every Board come off a CNC but they do use them. |
| 215772 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 37 | SeniorGrom | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T12:10:52-0400 | I know one guy even the best Master shapers go to when they want a fancy custom stringer glue up. It ain’t easy and you know who. |
| 215776 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 38 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T12:31:04-0400 | Artz said: Some of the Shapers you listed do use CNC cutter. That dose not take away from the years of knowledge on dealing with complex curves In relation to how a Board performs. they may not have every Board come off a CNC but they do use them. Click to expand... There is a pretty valid argument that the cnc process gives the shaper even more control to Dial in a custom shape over pure hand shaping. it certainly facilitated a good amount of detailed conversation on my last custom order and meant between us we arrived at something that works great but wasn't exactly what the shaper would have made to start with. |
| 215778 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 39 | Jc Nelson | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T12:36:45-0400 | SeniorGrom said: I know one guy even the best Master shapers go to when they want a fancy custom stringer glue up. It ain't easy and you know who. Click to expand... and even he has files for a couple of his more popular models |
| 215781 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 40 | shapewright | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T12:43:22-0400 | mightyrime said: I have been poking around for a new noserider.. checking most the major brands... Seems like $1450 is the new average.. Like $1530 with tax! Were boards like $1250 at the start of the year? And like $1100 the year before covid? I mean surfing is my thing and i dont want to cheap out and cut corners... but thats a good chunk of change for off the rack.. Probably gonna keep poking around used Curious though have they just recently risen another 10%? Click to expand... Since January resin alone has risen 400.00$ a drum, US Blanks a 6% increase for foam. 8 bucks a roll for tape, acetone up, 4 sleeves of wet and dry finish paper 250.00. One longtime local shaper who is a millionaire from selling his parents property holdings said he won't pay a penny more for glassing, I told him to take them to Mexico, I ain't eating cost for anyone |
| 215782 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 41 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T12:50:22-0400 | Souvlaks said: Oof, is that mostly from shipping? Looks like Pilgrim Surf in NYC just had a few in the under 1.5k range. Click to expand... It's purchased off the rack here from stock a shop here that imports rather than direct order. https://www.downthelinesurf.co.uk/thomas-surfboards-step-deck-9-4-orange.html any kind of California import midlength ( Christenson ) is around £1000 here so $1500. A CI mid made under licence in Spain is still around $1000) A premium homegrown brand log is around the $1500 mark. anything imported is £1500 plus so $2200 or more. Shipping and duty and premium product premium. you guys are lucky having the big name guys as your local shapers! |
| 215787 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 42 | Doggyfizzle | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T13:20:11-0400 | $1500 for a quality off the rack board doesn't seem at all unreasonable to me. The financial outlay for other comparable sports gear like skis and snowboards can easily can hit $1500 for skis/bindings/boots and that doesn't even include lift tix. The cost/use of a good surfboard is really, really low if you take care of your board and paddle out often. Like others have mentioned, labor shortage, rising cost of materials, and increased take-up of the sport have also put pressure on board prices. However, I still find longboards at local shops like VSS for around $1000. Randy at WaveFront is stocking made in USA Orbiculars at sub-$1000 prices. - not full "hand-shapes," but still really nice boards and more than adequate for most surfers. Buy a couple nice boards and take good care of them and the purchase price won't be an issue long-term. If you buy a board from a reputable shaper - custom or off the rack, you're getting a precision (either hand or CNC-shaped) piece of artwork and fun. Half the time my fat ass is out on my longboard I'm still amazed that I'm floating on a piece of foam and glass that doesn't just buckle when I stand up on it. https://wavefrontsurfshop.com/boards/orbicular-surfboards-96-role-model |
| 215796 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 43 | NJ Longboarder | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T14:11:08-0400 | Everything is more expensive. Can't think of anything that is cheaper than a year an half ago. Inflation boom or just supply/demand. Only time will tell. |
| 215797 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 44 | Camel Rock | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T14:22:38-0400 | Raw material shortages, labor shortages and rising demands. |
| 215804 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 45 | mightyrime | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T15:20:46-0400 | I personally like the idea of the CNC / hand finish combo. But it would be nice to see a price level that reflects a discount. Personally If it was $200 less for the CNC / hand finish vs all hand from a reputable shaper i would probably go for it. I dont know if i have the skill set to tell the difference when surfed. And agreed $1500 in this day and age for something made by hand in America by a craftsman is absolutely fair. Especially right now as rent / gas / food / house prices / used cars / raw materials are all inflating. To the price ,my first custom longboard I ordered was from Terry Senate about 5 years ago. I had no idea what it was going to cost. It was less than $1000 and i remember being surprised at that time and thinking that was very inexpensive for the amount of hand labor that goes into it. Is the discussion more that hand made boards for years were underpriced and now they are fair market value? |
| 215813 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 46 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T15:50:19-0400 | Curious as to why custom cnc cut then hand finished by name shaper is worth less than full handshape custom by same shaper? its still a full Custom from the brain of said design genius and hand finished just a computer is doing the donkey work roughing out the shape but at least as accurately as the shaper could. |
| 215814 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 47 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T15:55:40-0400 | Or put it this way, if you buy a one off piece of custom furniture - a table. Does the maker have to have whittled it completely from A tree trunk or is it acceptable to buy the timber from a sawmill in the correct lengths then hand finish it to the exact design? |
| 215815 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 48 | andrew- | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T15:57:54-0400 | Why's the general consensus of CNC produced boards that they should be discounted, rather than hand-shaped boards priced higher? Why is CNC seen as less than? CNC machines take an additional set of skills to operate and are not necessarily cheap to use with more overhead costs involved than spending more time mowing foam with yer digits. CNC is a different process than hand-shaping sure but less valuable? Jeebus the romanticization of hand-shaping drives me nuts. Anyway, to the original question: "Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months?" Seems like it! |
| 215816 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 49 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T16:07:01-0400 | I’ll go back to something I posted in the thunderbolt thread. It’s what Bob McTavish said to me when I interviewed him about this nearly ten years ago. Anyone can learnt to SHAPE a decent board but not everyone can DESIGN a good surfboard. A computer cut gives a good designer a huge increase in accuracy and ability to translate their design ideas into reality and we as surfers can only benefit from that. |
| 215819 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 50 | endoftheroad | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T16:24:05-0400 | The nuanced inaccuracies of a handshape of a mastershaper do not detract from its value .. Is a signed print from a great artist worth as much as the original ? I’m prepared to pay a bit more for an original and employ a craftsman instead of a machine. There is a place for both. I don’t want to pay for one thinking I’m getting the other- full transparency about process from supposed hand shapers using machines should be a given.. |
| 215821 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 51 | HerbB | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T16:24:34-0400 | So if Bob offered to whittle a one-timer out with his trusty old skil you’d tell him no thanks, just give me one from the CNC? |
| 215823 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 52 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T16:40:29-0400 | HerbB said: So if Bob offered to whittle a one-timer out with his trusty old skil you'd tell him no thanks, just give me one from the CNC? Click to expand... Well that s where the discussion about a board as a piece of functional art versus a tool to enjoy a pastime springs from. His point was that as an old man he could make you a better surfing board using the cnc. It's value as an objet d'art is a different discussion. The signed print analogy doesn't really hold up in this case. A signed print is maybe like buying a thunderbolt or a surftech. A cnc hand finished by a "name" shaper is like a mixed media artist using something premade as a basis for customisation to create their art piece. |
| 215824 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 53 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T16:46:52-0400 | endoftheroad said: and employ a craftsman instead of a machine. Click to expand... The point is that the craftsman is manipulating the machine. The machine is a tool just like the skil planer |
| 215827 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 54 | andrew- | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:03:45-0400 | Yeah, lots of things wrong with the print analogy... that argument doesn't work for me. What lengths are you willing to go to for full transparency? Are you willing to ask a shaper, as part of the custom order process or before you walk out of the surf shop, point-blank if they will use a CNC machine or ghost shaper to make your board? And if they say yes, are you willing to tell the shaper, "No thank you, changed my mind," or, "Actually this seems overpriced, need to cancel my order"? Or even further - "how about a discount since you're not hand shaping it?" I guess my irritation is that the draw to a hand-shaped board is a purely emotional thing, but it's treated as an inherently superior product. I disagree with that view. I like knowing that Marc shaped the blank that became my Vaquero, but also acknowledge that it's a romatic and emotional notion that has no bearing on its performance or practicality as a surfing board. TL;DR: I'm feeling grouchy and would like a surf. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. |
| 215829 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 55 | endoftheroad | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:13:18-0400 | Despite the fact the CNC handbuffed board from a given mastershaper may be his finest product, I’d prefer the handshape , and pay more. I want to pay an artisan, not a premium for a programmed rendition. I place more value on tool skills than computers. Computers and machines are making many humans redundant- it may be inevitable, but I’ll fight it here and there.. I will stand in a checkout line rather than walk straight to a empty cashierless checkout.. I place a cnc board above a thunderbolt, above a cobra factory popout…. A world of grey between the black and white… There are a lot of examples where a traditionally handcrafted product is now available quality machine produced… In my line of work, timberframes for homes are available completely CNCd. There is a market for these, prices are comparable to hand built, but most of the market will still buy the product that artisans sweated and bled over- purely for esoteric reasons- Luke custom handbuilt boards ! |
| 215832 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 56 | Fishface | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:17:08-0400 | Its the cost of materials due to supply chain disruptions... And where are they sourced from usually? Chyynnnaa Have a pool? Tried buying chlorine lately? same thing |
| 215833 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 57 | endoftheroad | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:19:20-0400 | Andrew Johnson said: Yeah, lots of things wrong with the print analogy... that argument doesn't work for me. What lengths are you willing to go to for full transparency? Are you willing to ask a shaper, as part of the custom order process or before you walk out of the surf shop, point-blank if they will use a CNC machine or ghost shaper to make your board? And if they say yes, are you willing to tell the shaper, "No thank you, changed my mind," or, "Actually this seems overpriced, need to cancel my order"? Or even further - "how about a discount since you're not hand shaping it?" I guess my irritation is that the draw to a hand-shaped board is a purely emotional thing, but it's treated as an inherently superior product. I disagree with that view. I like knowing that Marc shaped the blank that became my Vaquero, but also acknowledge that it's a romatic and emotional notion that has no bearing on its performance or practicality as a surfing board. TL;DR: I'm feeling grouchy and would like a surf. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. Click to expand... They are not an inherently superior product, It is an emotional, it is a romantic and emotional thing- and I think they should be worth a little more than the same thing cncd.. The shapers that wanna machine their blanks before buffing should be up front and proud of it - there is a market for their product.. |
| 215835 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 58 | Sax-son | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:33:21-0400 | shapewright said: Since January resin alone has risen 400.00$ a drum, US Blanks a 6% increase for foam. 8 bucks a roll for tape, acetone up, 4 sleeves of wet and dry finish paper 250.00. One longtime local shaper who is a millionaire from selling his parents property holdings said he won't pay a penny more for glassing, I told him to take them to Mexico, I ain't eating cost for anyone Click to expand... Nor should you! Nobody should be building something for less than it costs. If folks are not willing to pay the price required for a custom made surfboard, they need to look at used boards or take better care of the ones they already have. |
| 215837 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 59 | Surfnfish | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:41:31-0400 | When ordering a LB board from Stamps, routinely ask him to narrow the nose width a tad and add a touch of tail rocker...requiring he take time to modify the shaping agorithm, which is more complicated than just narrowing this and kicking that, before sending it and the ordered blank over to the CNC operation of choice...one that charges a hefty cutting fee because it continually invests in maintaining precisely calibrated cutters....and once the now pre-finished blank is delivered back to Tim it's hand blending time, merging all those curves until when he runs his hands down the rail and sightlines the rocker and foil, he see's perfection.. and that's about as custom as custom can get.. |
| 215838 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 60 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:42:08-0400 | endoftheroad said: They are not an inherently superior product, It is an emotional, it is a romantic and emotional thing- and I think they should be worth a little more than the same thing cncd.. The shapers that wanna machine their blanks before buffing should be up front and proud of it - there is a market for their product.. Click to expand... I think you are slightly overestimating the machine input in some of these cases. Many shapers just use the machine to rough out the board to their custom design then tweak it by hand. Using the machine to remove the donkey work as it were. Just like ghost shapers or hobies shaping jigs did back in the 60's. The magic of the artisan is in the vision and the design and the hand finish tweaks/ attention to detail. Plenty of artisans handmake products using machine tools to help them including a shaper wielding a skil by hand. If 90% of the shape is shaper hand wielded or shaper computer wielded machine cut and the finishing 10% is shaper magic hand cut is there really a difference? Is your artisan bespoke table only an artisan table if it was cut using hand saws? |
| 215839 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 61 | jory | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:42:45-0400 | Surfnfish said: When ordering a LB board from Stamps, routinely ask him to narrow the nose width a tad and add a touch of tail rocker...requiring he take time to modify the shaping agorithm, which is more complicated than just narrowing this and kicking that, before sending it and the ordered blank over to the CNC operation of choice...one that charges a hefty cutting fee because it continually invests in maintaining precisely calibrated cutters....and once the now pre-finished blank is delivered back to Tim it's hand blending time, merging all those curves until when he runs his hands down the rail and sightlines the rocker and foil, he see's perfection.. and that's about as custom as custom can get.. Click to expand... Exactly! |
| 215840 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 62 | Artz | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T17:44:21-0400 | There are a few Shapers that are open about using CNC Chris Christianson admits to going CNC. |
| 215841 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 63 | endoftheroad | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T18:02:47-0400 | jory said: I think you are slightly overestimating the machine input in some of these cases. Many shapers just use the machine to rough out the board to their custom design then tweak it by hand. Using the machine to remove the donkey work as it were. Just like ghost shapers or hobies shaping jigs did back in the 60's. The magic of the artisan is in the vision and the design and the hand finish tweaks/ attention to detail. Plenty of artisans handmake products using machine tools to help them including a shaper wielding a skil by hand. If 90% of the shape is shaper hand wielded or shaper computer wielded machine cut and the finishing 10% is shaper magic hand cut is there really a difference? Is your artisan bespoke table only an artisan table if it was cut using hand saws? Click to expand... I'd just like to know what it is.. - what sort of level of rough out would be of more than casual interest. I have cncd boards and will own more. I want to know what I'm buying. …and for intangible reasons will a little pay more for a master handshape.. I'm not saying this is rational, but lots of good stuff isn't |
| 215842 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 64 | Human | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T18:07:04-0400 | Sax-son said: Nor should you! Nobody should be building something for less than it costs. If folks are not willing to pay the price required for a custom made surfboard, they need to look at used boards or take better care of the ones they already have. Click to expand... I had 5 in line to be glassed when the price of resin went up. Didn't want to stiff the laminator, and also didn't want to stiff my customers... So guess what happened? |
| 215843 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 65 | miscreant | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T18:16:10-0400 | I think there is an issue with the shaper being the point of money transaction if the shaper has to farm out other elements of manufacturing. |
| 215846 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 66 | andrew- | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T18:28:43-0400 | Human said: I had 5 in line to be glassed when the price of resin went up. Didn't want to stiff the laminator, and also didn't want to stiff my customers... So guess what happened? Click to expand... If you ate that cost…stand up move. |
| 215851 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 67 | jdogger | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T18:49:22-0400 | If you go to the archives, there is a thread started by Gene Cooper where he states his rationale for using the shaping machines. He likens it to using a close tolerance blank and goes on to describe his process. Thread was named "questioning the process" started by "gene" 2007. |
| 215860 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 68 | shapewright | Aug 5, 2021 | 2021-08-05T19:36:58-0400 | jory said: Curious as to why custom cnc cut then hand finished by name shaper is worth less than full handshape custom by same shaper? its still a full Custom from the brain of said design genius and hand finished just a computer is doing the donkey work roughing out the shape but at least as accurately as the shaper could. Click to expand... The cost of the cut alone is nearly the same as a hand shape, the add on the finishers pay for the cut. It is more expensive and the reliability of a CNC cut means every board off that program is the same. Speaking with Matt Calvani Bing had 7-8 full time shapers, each doing their own tweak on the models. I've heard that Dan Bendickson made the favorite Bing noseriders. As long as there are new bodies in the biz, low prices can be had, but it is the crap shoot on whether the board is going to be a turd or gem |
| 215868 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 69 | Ricksurfin | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-05T21:02:27-0400 | With an off brand board you’d better like it, because the savings on the front end will hurt you on the back end if you sell it. A quality board holds its value much better. |
| 215870 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 70 | SeniorGrom | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-05T21:18:24-0400 | I still maintain that there is a ‘standard’ glassing schedule and then the one I want. I prefer a little heavier board anyway and not really sure I feel flex. Strong candy shell that will stand up to knee paddling please. |
| 215877 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 71 | miscreant | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-05T21:54:17-0400 | This highlights the subjective nature of “good” surfboard. It seems a fair metric to measure a good surfboard is: one you enjoy the feeling of when riding. So... there is that. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure, or something. Other metrics of “good” surfboard: 1) Kool aid guy made it 2) It’s shiny 3) influencers think it’s good |
| 215882 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 72 | SMUKES | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T00:27:43-0400 | SeniorGrom said: I still maintain that there is a 'standard' glassing schedule and then the one I want. I prefer a little heavier board anyway and not really sure I feel flex. Strong candy shell that will stand up to knee paddling please. Click to expand... Zackly. |
| 215883 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 73 | SMUKES | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T00:30:03-0400 | miscreant said: This highlights the subjective nature of "good" surfboard. It seems a fair metric to measure a good surfboard is: one you enjoy the feeling of when riding. So... there is that. One man's trash is another man's treasure, or something. Other metrics of "good" surfboard: 1) Kool aid guy made it 2) It's shiny 3) influencers think it's good Click to expand... A good surfboard is like porn, I know it when I see it. |
| 215885 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 74 | miscreant | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T00:36:06-0400 | SMUKES said: A good surfboard is like porn, I know it when I see it. Click to expand... My eyes have tricked me several times. Once with a Hobie Phil Edwards, once with a Yater, and again with a pig from a shaper that is heralded. Similarly, I have seen a board I thought would be a dog, and ended up loving it. |
| 215888 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 75 | Sax-son | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T01:55:44-0400 | Human said: had 5 in line to be glassed when the price of resin went up. Didn't want to stiff the laminator, and also didn't want to stiff my customers... So guess what happened? Click to expand... What you did was a business decision based on keeping face with both your customer and the laminator. Had you known this before the price increase, you could have explained that to the customer and they would have known up front. Eat it in the short term and hopefully make up for it in the long term. This kind of stuff happens all the time in business. Hopefully, in the future the glassers will be more up front when they know that they have to increase prices. It's a balancing act. |
| 215892 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 76 | SMUKES | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T08:41:49-0400 | miscreant said: My eyes have tricked me several times. Once with a Hobie Phil Edwards, once with a Yater, and again with a pig from a shaper that is heralded. Similarly, I have seen a board I thought would be a dog, and ended up loving it. Click to expand... I had a Phil, I didn't like it, it was still a good board. |
| 215894 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 77 | Human | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T08:55:19-0400 | I know he dreaded telling me but, like you said, that’s business. He works 10 hours a day, 6 days a week building surfboards… So when the prices shot up so quickly I knew he had his entire operation to think about as well as the ripple it was going to have on everything. I have no real sword in the fight here I’m lucky to be one of those shaper hobbyists some people were talking to earlier in this thread, which has given me proximity to just how much the real deal people whose businesses are getting railed by the supply chain. Something to keep in mind about cost and board building is that a lot of man hours go into the floating toys/trophies we own. |
| 215897 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 78 | Sax-son | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T10:26:56-0400 | SMUKES said: I had a Phil, I didn't like it, it was still a good board. Click to expand... Same here, they looked like nice boards, but they just weren't for me. |
| 215900 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 79 | Sax-son | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T10:49:20-0400 | Human said: I know he dreaded telling me but, like you said, that's business. He works 10 hours a day, 6 days a week building surfboards… So when the prices shot up so quickly I knew he had his entire operation to think about as well as the ripple it was going to have on everything. I have no real sword in the fight here I'm lucky to be one of those shaper hobbyists some people were talking to earlier in this thread, which has given me proximity to just how much the real deal people whose businesses are getting railed by the supply chain. Something to keep in mind about cost and board building is that a lot of man hours go into the floating toys/trophies we own. Click to expand... I have a friend in the business much like you, he is a low key local shaper that has a small but consistent following. He pretty much does this one at a time so it takes a while for him to get them out. He never promises a specific timeframe, So when these kind of things happen, it buys him time to allow the customer to bow out if they think the price is too much. He figures that he doesn't lose anything if he has a few extra blanks laying around for a board for a future customer or two. He say's that his livelihood doesn't depend on the surfboard business, but he say's he makes so little on these anyway that he is in no position to eat unforeseen costs like a spike in glassing prices. Until this levels out, you might want to handle this one at a time vs doing a bunch of boards simultaneously. You might be able to negotiate one customer vs say six if you are caught in a pickle. Verbally lock in a price with the laminator so you have some control on the situation. Just a thought! |
| 215901 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 80 | miscreant | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T11:04:15-0400 | SMUKES said: I had a Phil, I didn't like it, it was still a good board. Click to expand... Exactly. Some one might be enjoying it for some reason, probably one of the 4 I mentioned. |
| 215911 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 81 | waveglider619 | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T12:34:48-0400 | miscreant said: Exactly. Some one might be enjoying it for some reason, probably one of the 4 I mentioned. Click to expand... Same. Too hippy not enough parallel |
| 215913 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 82 | miscreant | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T13:06:06-0400 | waveglider619 said: Same. Too hippy not enough parallel Click to expand... I can't figure it out. The shape seems so right, yet I couldn't connect. Maybe the weight of the one I had, or maybe the approach I had at the time. I havent given up on Phil Edwards per se. I'd be curious how an original from way back felt. Mine was shaped around 2000 or something around then. I bought it at hss. It was glassed lightly. You could dent it with your thumb. I gave it a couple sessions, then sold it. |
| 215916 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 83 | Sax-son | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T13:16:02-0400 | miscreant said: I'd be curious how an original from way back felt. Click to expand... The one I had was an original and I didn't like that either. However, they still have their fans for whatever reasons. |
| 215928 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 84 | Spence | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T14:10:01-0400 | The rent at my shop just went up by close to 60% with another increase scheduled in 5 or 6 months. So, yes, surfboard prices have gone up. mightyrime said: I have been poking around for a new noserider.. checking most the major brands... Seems like $1450 is the new average.. Like $1530 with tax! Were boards like $1250 at the start of the year? And like $1100 the year before covid? I mean surfing is my thing and i dont want to cheap out and cut corners... but thats a good chunk of change for off the rack.. Probably gonna keep poking around used Curious though have they just recently risen another 10%? Click to expand... |
| 215932 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 85 | SMUKES | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T14:47:18-0400 | miscreant said: I can't figure it out. The shape seems so right, yet I couldn't connect. Maybe the weight of the one I had, or maybe the approach I had at the time. I havent given up on Phil Edwards per se. I'd be curious how an original from way back felt. Mine was shaped around 2000 or something around then. I bought it at hss. It was glassed lightly. You could dent it with your thumb. I gave it a couple sessions, then sold it. Click to expand... Same. |
| 215933 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 86 | Driftwood | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T15:06:39-0400 | I don't think I have ever wanted to love a board as much as I wanted to love a vintage Phil Edwards model... I could gaze at that thing for ages but couldn't surf it worth a damn. Have always been curious about the newer ones, and would love to give one a try at some point... |
| 215935 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 87 | Sax-son | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T15:23:37-0400 | Driftwood said: I don't think I have ever wanted to love a board as much as I wanted to love a vintage Phil Edwards model... I could gaze at that thing for ages but couldn't surf it worth a damn. Click to expand... I think is because the board was shaped for one person, Phil Edwards himself as I don't think it was a board designed for the average surfer. Interestingly enough, I had a Jacobs version of that board that actually rode really good. I got compliments from other surfers who rode it as well. It wasn't an exact copy of the PE, but certainly had the idea and spirit behind it. |
| 215937 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 88 | Zatoichi | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T15:40:44-0400 | Sax-son said: I think is because the board was shaped for one person, Phil Edwards himself as I don't think it was a board designed for the average surfer. Interestingly enough, I had a Jacobs version of that board that actually rode really good. I got compliments from other surfers who rode it as well. It wasn't an exact copy of the PE, but certainly had the idea and spirit behind it. Click to expand... Years ago, I was told this story. Even though I cannot say for sure that it happened, but was told to me by someone who would know. When Phil began shaping his model again out of the Hobie factory (early 80's?), Velzy was having his boards glassed by Hobie at this time. During a visit to the Hobie factory, he saw that Phil was in the shaping room working on a board. Dale stuck his head into the room, had a look at what Phil was doing, and said, "Well, at least this time, they will work". As I said, I cannot speak for this actually happening, but I always thought it was a pretty funny story and sounded like something that Dale would say. I did have a few of the boards that Phil shaped after he left Hobie, under the Phil Edwards Honolulu label, with Bosco Burns doing the glassing, and those boards were stellar. |
| 215942 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 89 | Sax-son | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T16:06:13-0400 | Zatoichi said: Years ago, I was told this story. Even though I cannot say for sure that it happened, but was told to me by someone who was would know. When Phil began shaping his model again out of the Hobie factory (early 80's?), Velzy was having his boards glassed by Hobie at this time. During a visit to the Hobie factory, he saw that Phil was in the shaping room working on a board. Dale stuck his head into the room, had a look at what Phil was doing, and said, "Well, at least this time, they will work". As I said, I cannot speak for this actually happening, but I always thought it was a pretty funny story and sounded like something that Dale would say. I did have a few of the boards that Phil shaped after he left Hobie, under the Phil Edwards Honolulu label, with Bosco Burns doing the glassing, and those boards were stellar. Click to expand... So I guess all these years I just though it was me that couldn't get into them. |
| 215943 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 90 | skurp | Aug 6, 2021 | 2021-08-06T16:08:31-0400 | https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/spo/d/la-jolla-surf-board/7361905725.html Hahaha - even Wavestorm is getting in on that $$$$$$$$$$ |
| 215981 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 91 | PeakMaster | Aug 7, 2021 | 2021-08-07T07:55:46-0400 | I get that the big name shapers are getting more for their boards, perhaps justifiably so. But as has been repeatedly stated on this forum, the CNC machine is a game changer. This board is not made in China. It's made in scenic Wildwood, NJ. Not sure about who does the glassing. I've heard more than one outfit. But $750 for a 9'x" board would have been a great deal in 2008 or so. For under $1K, you can have a board replicated with modifications, glassed however. |
| 216008 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 92 | waveglider619 | Aug 7, 2021 | 2021-08-07T14:48:20-0400 | miscreant said: I can't figure it out. The shape seems so right, yet I couldn't connect. Maybe the weight of the one I had, or maybe the approach I had at the time. I havent given up on Phil Edwards per se. I'd be curious how an original from way back felt. Mine was shaped around 2000 or something around then. I bought it at hss. It was glassed lightly. You could dent it with your thumb. I gave it a couple sessions, then sold it. Click to expand... Mine was a 90's version also too light shaped by Hynson. Im in the heavier board camp as well. |
| 216063 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 93 | DJR | Aug 8, 2021 | 2021-08-08T11:58:20-0400 | InI said: He mentioned quite a few, for some reason Im a bit hesitant to put them on blast on an open forum. It was that they don't say they are either but charge top dollar to only leave people to come to the conclusion that they are hand shaped; or just say they are hand shaped. He didn't distinguish between who specifically does which one though. Then only really hand shape for friends, team, etc. Click to expand... I keep hearing about these guys too. A lot of the interviews mention this. Everybody from Bird to Scott Bass but nobody names names. Understandably so on one hand but I know I'd be straight up pissed if I'm paying you for a handshape that you say is hand shaped and it's at most scrubbed out. Just be open and we're cool. |
| 216066 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 94 | Sax-son | Aug 8, 2021 | 2021-08-08T13:00:14-0400 | DJR said: I keep hearing about these guys too. A lot of the interviews mention this. Everybody from Bird to Scott Bass but nobody names names. Understandably so on one hand but I know I'd be straight up pissed if I'm paying you for a handshape that you say is hand shaped and it's at most scrubbed out. Just be open and we're cool. Click to expand... As far as I am concerned on this topic, just give me the finished product. If I can pull it out of the rack, look it over and determine whether or not it is going to work for me and the price is fair, that's all I need to know. It doesn't matter to me whether it is hand shaped, cnc'd or however it's done, oh a decent glass job would be nice, but that is about it. I never bought surfboards based on whoever shaped it anyway. Every custom shaped surfboard I ever ordered, never came out the way I wanted anyhow, despite being very explicit in how I wanted it(including pictures). I think we are getting carried away by all this stuff and in the end, the only thing that matters is how it rides. |
| 216068 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 95 | DJR | Aug 8, 2021 | 2021-08-08T13:29:37-0400 | miscreant said: Exactly. Some one might be enjoying it for some reason, probably one of the 4 I m Click to expand... Sax-son said: As far as I am concerned on this topic, just give me the finished product. If I can pull it out of the rack, look it over and determine whether or not it is going to work for me and the price is fair, that's all I need to know. It doesn't matter to me whether it is hand shaped, cnd'c or however it's done, oh a decent glass job would be nice, but that is about it. I never bought surfboards based on whoever shaped it anyway. Every custom shaped surfboard I ever ordered, never came out the way I wanted anyhow, despite being very explicit in how I wanted it(including pictures). I think we are getting carried away by all this stuff and in the end, the only thing that matters is how it rides. Click to expand... True on all accounts I guess itd be so irksome as I like to think I'm somebody that does my research (a little too much at times) And in rereading the post it says that there those who basically let it be implied that they are hand shapers but do not explicitly say so. I got off on a tangent that said shapers actually claim to be so. but even so I am and will always be carried away by more than just how it rides We all need our self righteous justifications for something and that is one of my few. That being said I don't have a problem with machine shapes per day just don't represent as otherwise. |
| 216076 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 96 | Sax-son | Aug 8, 2021 | 2021-08-08T15:01:50-0400 | DJR said: True on all accounts I guess itd be so irksome as I like to think I'm somebody that does my research (a little too much at times) And in rereading the post it says that there those who basically let it be implied that they are hand shapers but do not explicitly say so. I got off on a tangent that said shapers actually claim to be so. but even so I am and will always be carried away by more than just how it rides We all need our self righteous justifications for something and that is one of my few. That being said I don't have a problem with machine shapes per day just don't represent as otherwise. Click to expand... Nothing you said was wrong, but sometimes we lose sight of what is really important and start to focus on some kind of meaningless trend. You have the right to do your research, like or want anything how you want it done and by the shaper you want it done by. However, don't let that get in the way of trying out different boards that might suit you just fine. You might be somewhat surprised. |
| 216136 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 97 | Surfnfish | Aug 9, 2021 | 2021-08-09T13:38:33-0400 | Quiveritis - 'the act of jumping from board to board, sizing up, sizing down, from this shaper to that shaper, and never quite finding the sweet spot' find what works best for you, work with that shaper to make it work even better...a good board should be like your favorite pair of shoes...fits perfectly...surfer buddy, damn good surfer, has dozens of surfboards from some of the 'best' shapers...rides the same three boards 99% of the time..the rest of them, window dressing collecting dust |
| 216146 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 98 | miscreant | Aug 9, 2021 | 2021-08-09T14:46:54-0400 | This is the subjective point. I bought that Phil because it seemed right when I saw it, stroked it and fondled it. In the water, it didn’t fit my approach. Thus, to me, the owner.... it wasn’t a good board. Somebody else might have ended up with a magic board (for their approach, or ideals). So I suppose a surfboard can be a piece of shit and a gem. It just depends who is subjectively judging it. |
| 216187 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 99 | Sax-son | Aug 10, 2021 | 2021-08-09T20:59:38-0400 | Surfnfish said: Quiveritis - 'the act of jumping from board to board, sizing up, sizing down, from this shaper to that shaper, and never quite finding the sweet spot' Click to expand... I like that analogy! You have coined a new sniglet in surfing terminology. Congratulations! |
| 216189 | 10983 | Have boards got even more expensive in the past couple months? | 100 | Sax-son | Aug 10, 2021 | 2021-08-09T21:04:57-0400 | miscreant said: So I suppose a surfboard can be a piece of shit and a gem. It just depends who is subjectively judging it. Click to expand... I have come into the possession of many a good surfboard just because of that. |
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