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| 123743 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 1 | newlyn | Oct 29, 2017 | 2017-10-29T12:12:56-0400 | Thinking about ordering a SVM (aka Plain Jane). Who should I get one from? Bruce Fowler or Scott Anderson? |
| 123747 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 2 | surflax | Oct 29, 2017 | 2017-10-29T14:28:34-0400 | Been thinking about a Plain Jane for a bit as well. I've emailed back and forth with Bruce and he has been very helpful and answered all my questions. Used ones are mostly are out west and coordinating shipping is a process and a bit costly. I'm getting close to going right to Bruce as he's capable of handling everything. FWIW kpd pointed me to a real nice one on Craigs in Santa Barbara today... |
| 123754 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 3 | newlyn | Oct 29, 2017 | 2017-10-29T15:53:49-0400 | Surflax, where are you in PA? Maybe we could get a deal on shipping for two. |
| 123755 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 4 | ekim | Oct 29, 2017 | 2017-10-29T16:13:20-0400 | Bruce does Amtrak. The cheapest way to ship. Call Amtrak Santa barbera and get a quote to your zip. |
| 123759 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 5 | surflax | Oct 29, 2017 | 2017-10-29T16:42:51-0400 | I'm in willow Grove, just outside philly |
| 123773 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 6 | newlyn | Oct 29, 2017 | 2017-10-29T19:48:37-0400 | I am in Wynnewood, so not too far you. I am not quite ready to jump yet, but maybe soon. |
| 123815 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 7 | pintail | Oct 31, 2017 | 2017-10-31T10:12:26-0400 | Get it from Bruce. |
| 123851 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 8 | McQuad | Nov 1, 2017 | 2017-10-31T22:55:00-0400 | Not a fan of Bruce. Terrible business ethics. I don't feel like posting the whole story but Ill just say you are waaaayyyy better off with Anderson. |
| 123867 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 9 | Tully | Nov 1, 2017 | 2017-11-01T11:45:22-0400 | I replaced my 8' Stoker with an 8' Mitsven Gypsy- thanks Dave! Glassing was terrible on the Stoker. Thanks to my 9' Fish Simmons it's collecting dust... |
| 123871 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 10 | ekim | Nov 1, 2017 | 2017-11-01T12:49:27-0400 | Bruce uses Bob Haakenson glassing. No problem there. |
| 123875 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 11 | newlyn | Nov 1, 2017 | 2017-11-01T13:28:13-0400 | Looks like I will order a custom from Bruce. Now I just have to decide what I want it to look like. My last board (JP Hustler) was clear/white, so I am feeling a little color this time. Happy to hear suggestions. Seems like an arch may be called for too. |
| 123877 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 12 | newlyn | Nov 1, 2017 | 2017-11-01T13:49:45-0400 | Tully said: I replaced my 8' Stoker with an 8' Mitsven Gypsy- ... Thanks to my 9' Fish Simmons it's collecting dust... View attachment 4196 View attachment 4197 Click to expand... Tully, are you suggesting you might want to sell the Mitsven? |
| 123882 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 13 | Tully | Nov 1, 2017 | 2017-11-01T16:32:24-0400 | newlyn said: Tully, are you suggesting you might want to sell the Mitsven? Click to expand... I wasn't, but have thought about it. I'd need to give Dave DKNJ first crack... |
| 123940 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 14 | newlyn | Nov 2, 2017 | 2017-11-02T19:29:52-0400 | Tully said: Glassing was terrible on the Stoker Click to expand... Tully, do you know who glassed your Stoker? |
| 123943 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 15 | Tully | Nov 3, 2017 | 2017-11-02T20:02:47-0400 | newlyn said: Tully, do you know who glassed your Stoker? Click to expand... Not sure, I bought it in Jan 2014. It was damaged in shipping, so I had it professionally repaired and the guy pointed out the glassing/sanding job... You can see the sand throughs discolored in the pic i posted. |
| 123946 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 16 | dingdong | Nov 3, 2017 | 2017-11-03T00:19:48-0400 | I think bruce uses hakkesan for glassing, the couple of color boards I got from him...were disappointing glassing wise...get the arch for sure! |
| 123957 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 17 | newlyn | Nov 3, 2017 | 2017-11-03T11:41:53-0400 | dingdong said: I think bruce uses hakkesan for glassing, the couple of color boards I got from him...were disappointing glassing wise...get the arch for sure! Click to expand... Dingdong, can you elaborate on the color issues? I kinda had my heart set on a resin tint, so perhaps this suggests I should go to Scott? |
| 123966 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 18 | dingdong | Nov 3, 2017 | 2017-11-03T15:27:23-0400 | It's the usual color story, you ask for one color and you get something else. Also the tint that came looked super weak, as if they barely put any color into the tint, and the overall quality was disappointing. Clear white with an arch orders (I had a couple like this), were no problem and came out great. I don't know anything about Scott, but Bruce's boards were great, he's got that shape dialed in. |
| 123977 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 19 | Mizrachi | Nov 4, 2017 | 2017-11-03T21:39:42-0400 | It might not just be the color request that's not heeded. Sightpoint and I ordered a pair of customs from Bruce a few years back and our dims were way off. Board was fun af either way tho. |
| 123996 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 20 | newlyn | Nov 4, 2017 | 2017-11-04T17:36:55-0400 | Mizrachi said: Sightpoint and I ordered a pair of customs from Bruce a few years back and our dims were way off. Click to expand... That's a concern. I suppose I could just wait until he has a stock 7'6, since it is a common size. Sounds like trying to order custom size/color may not be the best idea. Or maybe I should just go to Scott. |
| 124007 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 21 | surflax | Nov 5, 2017 | 2017-11-04T22:53:23-0400 | After reaching out to Bruce in early Oct and asking a bunch of ?'s I ordered from Bruce last week. Asked for 7'9'' with black Arch. Doesn't really constitute a custom but couldn't have been easier. Will get to east coast before Thanksgiving. |
| 124012 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 22 | Pierpont Scott | Nov 5, 2017 | 2017-11-05T01:30:15-0400 | Haak glass jobs aren' what they used to be. I hear about it all the time from shapers. Nice guy but I think after 40 years he's burned out on the whole thing. |
| 125771 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 23 | sightpoint | Dec 14, 2017 | 2017-12-14T10:40:09-0500 | Just came across this... http://www.stokervmachine.com/history/ ...after trying to find out what was up with this... https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/sgd/d/new-surfboard-70-sunset/6422580730.html ...and I found the absence of Fowler's name in the history puzzling. Bad blood? Hmmm. I regret selling my Fowler-shaped Stoker, but as Mizrachi said above, the dims on both of our customs were off. Anyone out east know what the deal is with the Sunset board? Just a couple shaped under their shop label? Same plan shape or dims as a regular v-machine? I wrote to them and I'm waiting for an answer. |
| 125775 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 24 | surflax | Dec 14, 2017 | 2017-12-14T14:00:26-0500 | I believe that Bruce shaped a number of boards for the Sunset Surf Shack out in MTK. It's a V- Machine / Fountain of Youth-Plain Jane with a Sunset Surf Shack Lam. Good deal at that price. |
| 125807 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 25 | sightpoint | Dec 15, 2017 | 2017-12-15T07:32:43-0500 | surflax said: I believe that Bruce shaped a number of boards for the Sunset Surf Shack out in MTK. It's a V- Machine / Fountain of Youth-Plain Jane with a Sunset Surf Shack Lam. Good deal at that price. Click to expand... Thanks, kinda what I was thinking. Just wanted to be sure it was a v-machine. |
| 134960 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 26 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T10:05:30-0400 | sightpoint said: Just came across this... http://www.stokervmachine.com/history/ ...after trying to find out what was up with this... https://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/sgd/d/new-surfboard-70-sunset/6422580730.html ...and I found the absence of Fowler's name in the history puzzling. Bad blood? Hmmm. I regret selling my Fowler-shaped Stoker, but as Mizrachi said above, the dims on both of our customs were off. Anyone out east know what the deal is with the Sunset board? Just a couple shaped under their shop label? Same plan shape or dims as a regular v-machine? I wrote to them and I'm waiting for an answer. Click to expand... |
| 134968 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 27 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T11:25:36-0400 | I just recently joined Jamboards, as the last time I was made aware of the site was years ago and they were not accepting memberships. Guess the policy changed. ....It's interesting being a 'fly on the wall' tho' hearing your plusses & minusses on past performance, or that your "glasser is burned out" or that I'm incapable of getting dims right, or have terrible business ethics, and yadda yadda yadda as the Seinfeld crew would allude to. That being said, let's take this opportunity to clear up or at least discuss a few of the comments made in this thread. 1. Business ethics: Not sure what my poor performance alludes to, in order to earn such a comment, but my apology for any lack of performance if that is the case. I always aspire to making every customer satisfied & happy with their purchase as well as the entire process in making their buying decision. This includes answering multitudes of questions honestly and with as much patience as it takes to satisfy the prospective customer. There are MANY shapers that close a deal citing quick delivery times or whatever it takes to close the deal, then go about their business as usual, which includes: procrastination of producing the order, blaming everyone else in the world why your board isn't ready yet (damn glassers, blank company didn't deliver, etc. etc. etc.) ..as I have learned, most of it is CRAP. Most of these guys are surfers first, shapers second, businessmen last. I can count on one hand the delays I have subjected my many satisfied customers to and in one case, the poor guy wanted his money back. He was on he East Coast, and I told him he was right, and I didn't have a leg to stand on, that I had NO EXCUSE and I was truly sorry for disappointing him. I sent his deposit back inside of 5 minutes of his request via Paypal. In the distant past, I have been as guilty as any shaper of those BAD HABITS of not getting the work out entrusted to me by customers..... but that changed over the past 8 years when I was approached and ask… |
| 134969 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 28 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T11:26:49-0400 | Continuation due to word count limits: To make this long story shorter, bottom line was I agreed to make them, then banged out 2 he was begging me for, which I did in a turnaround of 18 hrs. start to finish and he & his driver met me at the SB Airport for a hand off as I was headed to Mexico with my wife. When I got back I figured out how to make them, which there is always a learning curve when you do something out of the norm. Rostoker wanted to sell them for $450 and pocket $100, and the only way I could do that was build them 100% on my own in my garage in Solvang. For the first couple years, that's where ALL of them were built..... I bank rolled the whole thing, and as business grew it became a massive overload in my garage set up including having to sand in my shaping room. During that time I also became afflicted with SLEEP APNEA, which if any of you have ever lived through that, it is one exhausting experience! Although I have glassed a helluva lotta boards since I was 15 or so....... first doing my own and a lot of Bradbury shapes, then later owning my own factory "The Surfing Underground" in the Radon Boatyard, where I worked briefly building Radon Boats with the Radon boys. But during that Stoker startup time period, I can't say I did my best glasswork, thank god the overall package that people received was good enough for me to build the business and make the jump to having Haakenson glass them after the initial first two years. Bottom line on glassing: Haakenson is doing excellent work now. Not sure what happened on the clear one mentioned here nor the color work someone else wasn't happy with, but Bob still glasses a lot of Channel Islands and they have very stringent QC on all of those boards. To add to that, Yater has all his work now done through Bob's factory. He is quietly shaping there, but does not want to make that widely known so please respect Renny's privacy. I have known him for many years, and at 85, I am still in awe of his work ethic, which I believe in and aspire to … |
| 134983 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 29 | SeniorGrom | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T13:08:43-0400 | Welcome to Jamboards. Seems clear enough to me. |
| 134984 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 30 | garagefull | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T13:13:47-0400 | Welcome to the forum. Best post I have read in a long time. I hope you stay around to contribute in the future. |
| 134985 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 31 | dingdong | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T13:21:15-0400 | Hey Mr. Fowler!!! I personally I think ordered four boards from Mr. Fowler, great to deal with, excellent communication, boards were never late, the clear ones with arches were top notch, but the one time I tried to order a color, it didn't work out so well, but Mr. Fowler sent me a replacement in no time, good to see you posting here, cheers! |
| 134987 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 32 | poidog | Aug 1, 2018 | 2018-08-01T15:01:07-0400 | My two cents. Ordered a 7'6" v8 from Bruce about a year and a half ago, no hassle transaction, board shipped cross country to my house, been riding the piss out of it ever since. Love it. Buddy of mine rode it, got instantly addicted to the lift and trim, ordered a 8' in vinylester, he rides the piss out of his, loves it. We all have our own stories about shapers, glassers, mine with Bruce was great. |
| 135002 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 33 | sightpoint | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-01T20:58:34-0400 | Thanks for the info and history. Good to know. Like I said, I'm sorry I sold my Fowler-shaped Stoker. |
| 135004 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 34 | jtsfla | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-01T21:04:06-0400 | I can't recommend Bruce enough. I love every board he's made me. Try the V8 out. So much fun. |
| 135009 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 35 | Veterano | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-01T22:32:39-0400 | gotta say, BF has been an honest board builder for a long time. what has Stoker done? nada. |
| 135028 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 36 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T11:39:40-0400 | I'll stick around on whatever subjects seem of interest. Just wanna keep it real. I forgot to mention a few things and I will be brief here on the previous post..... but it falls along the procrastination, shapers ducking customer's calls about that eternal question "is my board ready yet?"..... lol. Part of my growing up process that has contributed to my modest success and an ever growing following is to grow up, own up, (what have you), to the responsibility a shaper has to his customer. In recent years I have been told soooo many times from stoked customers that they have never been treated so well by a shaper...... that I actually picked up their call, or got back to them, told them the truth if I had shaped the board yet or not, or when I thought it would be done..... and the vast majority have received their boards quickly compared to what they have experienced in the past. I explained that the surfboard business has slim margins and is a very difficult business to make a living, much less succeed. After years of being in the business, the only way I have come to believe it is possible to make any decent money is: Make a quality product at a fair price, treat your customers like gold, and........... D-E-L-I-V-E-R. This is the same exact thing I tell friends that are in the industry that ask me "what's your secret"? or tell me I'm so lucky...... there's no secret and it has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with being professional, having some skill, and having a work ethic...... I decided I would tell people what I was going to do, then do what I said. Just do it. To sound immodest here for a minute, when I decided to do these things, that's when my business started to flourish while others around me where floundering. I tried to explain to them that you have to have a "turn rate" within each month that will leave some money in your pocket at the end of the month. You can't do that if you aren't willing to go to work, or talking all day. The ultimate goal is… |
| 135045 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 37 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T15:37:02-0400 | Mizrachi said: It might not just be the color request that's not heeded. Sightpoint and I ordered a pair of customs from Bruce a few years back and our dims were way off. Board was fun af either way tho. Click to expand... What do you consider "way off"?...... BF Added later: I thought about this today, and at 66, I still have a pretty good memory. I have pix of your boards and to the best of my knowledge your "customs" fell into the category of "standard dims & liters" I offer for the Plain Jane aka SVM's... I can print those up at some point & you will see the most popular models have optional dims within the same length of the boards. For instance the 6'6"s can come 21.5"x2.88" but they also are available 21.65"x2.75" and so on. I didn't want the boards to become total "cookie cutters".... as things evolved I offered them with "Std." & "Winter Foils".... you could get them in Narrow, Std. Or Wide versions which was a take off from what Dewey Weber offered with the original "Performer". I even remember you could order Yater Spoons with with slight, regular or heavy step decks. So I'm not saying you are wrong, but it is entirely possible you were referring to my "being way off" because you thought the size you ordered was going to be specific dims I had posted for a certain length and width like 21.5 and ended up with 21.65 or whatnot. At the end of the day, I want people to understand, that if someone orders a VERY specific CUSTOM from me, that I don't detour from that once we have discussed and made the order. And I will tell you if a certain width is right or not right for the design you desire. I have a long respected reputation for being able to faithfully dupe someone's magic surfboard that, for some reason, they cannot get the original shaper to shape another for them. Perhaps the shaper quit shaping, or worse, the shaper has passed on. To be able to do these requests, you need to be able to park your ego at the door and become a hum… |
| 135046 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 38 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T15:40:56-0400 | Pierpont Scott said: Haak glass jobs aren' what they used to be. I hear about it all the time from shapers. Nice guy but I think after 40 years he's burned out on the whole thing. Click to expand... Nothing could be further from the truth Scott. I hope this doesn't ruffle your feathers but the way I see it, you have your own agenda and anytime competitors pipe up it is seldom favorable. Yater is very discerning about the quality of his surfboards and they are ALL glassed at Haakenson's. Wayne Rich, Wilderness (Bob Duncan), and Marc (Andreini) all know & care about the quality of their end product, as do I. Those Greenough 'edge' boards aren't for novice glassers! I saw a new polished one in Bob's yesterday & the thing was beautiful! Of course all it takes is one off day & one less than perfect board and someone with a big mouth to wreck a good reputation spanning decades... I'm sure you can recall something like that happening to you sometime in the past. Remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. ;-) |
| 135047 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 39 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T15:43:32-0400 | View attachment 20170612_164024.jpg sightpoint said: Thanks, kinda what I was thinking. Just wanted to be sure it was a v-machine. Click to expand... Correct I shaped Sunset Surf Shack a group of "Private Label" surfboards including v machines, fun shapes & longboards. Those are great deals they were offering and they are most likely gone by now.... worth checking on. Excuse the foto, the lighting made the board look badly yellowed in the tail section. |
| 135049 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 40 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T15:50:37-0400 | newlyn said: Dingdong, can you elaborate on the color issues? I kinda had my heart set on a resin tint, so perhaps this suggests I should go to Scott? Click to expand... The method we use today is for the customer to provide us with "Pantone" color numbers. The Pantones are coded and extremely specific samples of every color on the color wheel. The customer decides if they want it sprayed as an airbrush, or mixed into resin using tints or pigment. (Note: Coloring with resin tints & pigments is difficult & there are some colors that just can't be done as they can be with paint. You are also prone to showing shaper's marks & foam imperfections when doing resin tints.) Anyway, the method: Haakenson uses a laptop computer he purchased so he can mix the color(s) while looking at a high quality retina screen versus us printing out a color sample on white paper. We found that ink printer cartridges are not as reliable in producing the Pantone color onto paper as the computer screen displaying the Pantone the customer wants duplicated. We care deeply about the end result compared to what you order. Hope this helps in your ultimate decision & increases general knowledge. |
| 135050 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 41 | surflax | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T16:20:18-0400 | View attachment 7F44C809-3B99-4E26-A855-89645555C271.jpeg Gotta tell ya that I can't get enough of this 7'9" Fowler that I got from Bruce a little while back. There was a major shipping issue and he spent lots of time ironing it out so two East coast guys could get their respective boards ASAP. Haven't ridden anything but this since getting it. Had it out today on Nantucket in the crazy slop that was coming in and it went like crazy on the few corners I was able to find. If you get a chance check one of these things out, well worth your time. Have fun!!!! |
| 135059 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 42 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 2, 2018 | 2018-08-02T18:14:54-0400 | AH, the Fed Ex nightmare...... boy did they drop the ball. Mistaken board returned 3x to the wrong address! The other customer in New Hampshire (if I recall right), finally got his board after A MONTH!. I spent a good portion of my life calling Fed Ex being told they were connecting me to their special team and it would be handled. Then as things wore on, they would take the Tracking number and state where it was..... and as it turned out, it wasn't anywhere near where they said but in fact in CALIFORNIA on its way back to ME!??!! Poor board was bounced around locations and thru their forwarding stations like a ping pong ball. Thanks to my "BF Bomb Proof" packing that has taken half a dozen years of perfecting, when the customer finally got the board he saw the box and feared the worse. But the board was in new condition and finally this soap opera nightmare was over. They never even offered ANY form of compensation. HAVE A NICE DAY: FED EX! |
| 135067 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 43 | Kingkook | Aug 3, 2018 | 2018-08-02T21:02:58-0400 | I haven’t posted in a while, but I’d love to chime in on my awesome experience with Bruce. He answered all of my ridiculous questions with patience and handled everything beyond my expectations. My board came with a very small shipping ding and he went out of his way to make sure I was satisfied. He remade the board in a couple of weeks and shipped it out quick to accommodate for my upcoming trip. I don’t understand how he has time to respond timely to emails and still shape and run his business. His V8 and SVM models just work! A pleasure to deal with. Class act. |
| 135073 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 44 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 3, 2018 | 2018-08-02T22:06:08-0400 | I always decide in favor of the customer. When my internal timer feels like I should have gotten a board to a guy sooner when I'm swamped, I surprise them with something extra like a free fin upgrade or 5 mm quality board bag. Luckily I don't have to do that frequently as there isn't enough fat to make that a regular habit.... besides, my hustle to become known for fast delivery has been hard earned and I've already explained the concept of 4,3,2,1 time "turn rate" in order to make money in this hard, crazy business. My business model works on making 1K boards per year..... that's 20 boards every week for 50 weeks. If I can do that, I'm making the kind of living being a career shaper for half a century should be making. It isn't as easy as one might think to reach that these days. There are so many forces that want to spoil such a simple straight forward business plan. Think about it..... a thousand sounds like a lot, but that only equates to 20 shops selling an average one ONE surfboard per week for 50 weeks! Obviously some shops might sell 3 or 4 in a day when the swell is up where others don't sell anything..... and there are seasonal dealers that actually shut down for the winter..... still, if you only establish 20 dealers (some stores have multiple locations)..... it should seem a cinch. It's not. That's why I always explain what I said earlier that some shapers just don't seem to get, or just don't have the energy or concern: TREAT YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE GOLD. After all, they PROVIDE YOU YOUR PAYCHECK. |
| 135119 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 45 | Wade In The Waves | Aug 3, 2018 | 2018-08-03T17:43:57-0400 | Bruce, your responses show you are a professional. I wasn’t thinking about ordering a new board, but now you have me thinking about ordering one from you. |
| 135127 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 46 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 3, 2018 | 2018-08-03T19:19:30-0400 | Thank you for the compliment. When you are ready, I am here to help you make an informed decision. |
| 135137 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 47 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 4, 2018 | 2018-08-04T00:50:03-0400 | ekim said: Bruce does Amtrak. The cheapest way to ship. Call Amtrak Santa barbera and get a quote to your zip. Click to expand... Not sure when this was discussed. Amtrak used to offer great deals when I sent sailboards to the Bay area, Portland Station (for the Gorge) and Seattle...... however, I have been told surfboards will get demolished going "thru the hub" Chicago en route to the east. NOTE : I was told that about the hub years ago by Clyde Beatty. Ancient history really, I'm now looking into Amtrak as of tomorrow because I just reviewed their site, and things do change.... definitely worth a look and I will get back to everyone. I've got two pending orders for V8's since coming on Jamz... and I want to thank people's kind remarks and openess and honest criticism. Constructive criticism IS important! ;-) Since beginning of this year, Fed Ex, which I have a 45% discount as a volume shipper, has jacked their prices significantly for ALL destinations. So have the trucking companies. Most likely they have calculated fuel costs among other things and have adjusted their prices accordingly. The historic problem regarding surfboards is that the freight category isn't fair. Yes they are a large item, but dimensional weight shouldn't apply to them. They are the perfect "top load" item that should be easy to handle. I have been told I will get a better rate when stating HEAVIER WEIGHTS and sending multiple boxes like when I send groups of surfboards to places like Saturdays NYC or Sunset Surf Shack out in Montauk. I will contact Amtrak and see if there is any relief possible and what they have to say about survival thru the hub. I'm also looking at different trucking companies that have experience with surfboards domestically. My shipping agent Dolly, who has been in the shipping business for over a quarter century and has worked with many other board companies (Surfy Surfy, etc.) is very knowledgeable esp. when I am shipping internati… |
| 135140 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 48 | Planktom | Aug 4, 2018 | 2018-08-04T03:22:17-0400 | Good thread, and nice to hear your take on things Bruce. So, getting back to the popular diamond tail vee bottom design (plain Jane? The board formerly referred to as the SVM?), having never seen one in the foam nor ridden one, could you please tell me about the design? Pros, cons, how they surf etc? It seems there's plenty of happy owners, but which boxes are being ticked for them when they ride them? Cheers |
| 135201 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 49 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 5, 2018 | 2018-08-05T18:12:00-0400 | Tully said: Not sure, I bought it in Jan 2014. It was damaged in shipping, so I had it professionally repaired and the guy pointed out the glassing/sanding job... You can see the sand throughs discolored in the pic i posted. Click to expand... I've been rereading some of this thread, and 2014 more than likely would have been Haakenson by then. It would be easy to tell because his glassing logo would be on it. It would be hard for me to believe Stan (Fuji) sanded it as he has (and still does) sand for Hawk, has been a shaper in the past but has sanded thousands of boards. Maybe it was Hawk and he had a bad day? Or he had a fill in guy during that period. There isn't a lot of turnover, and if you were to walk in and look at the hotcoats on all the boards they look more like gloss coats than most people's hot coats! They are sanded with 150 grit.... so there's no heavy handed sanding going on there. Still, they're made by humans, and it's too bad one got thru less than up to standard. |
| 135204 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 50 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 5, 2018 | 2018-08-05T18:55:00-0400 | Planktom said: Good thread, and nice to hear your take on things Bruce. So, getting back to the popular diamond tail vee bottom design (plain Jane? The board formerly referred to as the SVM?), having never seen one in the foam nor ridden one, could you please tell me about the design? Pros, cons, how they surf etc? It seems there's plenty of happy owners, but which boxes are being ticked for them when they ride them? Cheers Click to expand... Oh, guess that means me.... lol. The design is an easy to ride go to surfboard for every day waves. In many ways, they appeal to surfers that ride or are looking into fish. Fish paddle well for their size, they are fast down the line, and for guys that ride longboards that want to get on something shorter & not experience quiver shock or difficulty transitioning, fish are pretty good for that. ..... the difference between the PJ/VM, whatever you prefer to call them, is that they have ALL the advantages of your typical Fish but not the limitations of most Fish.... which is that they surf flat & skatey. V Machines surf fully 3 dimensional while still paddling easy, getting into waves early, and having tons of straight line trim speed...... the tweaks I put into them over time allows them to carry their speed thru turns & cutbacks quite easily because the foil aka volume distribution upped the horsepower that much more. And..... this is important, the "rail rocker" created by the particular panel vee I put into the boards allow them to carve beautiful full curvy 3 dimensional roundhouse cutbacks..... even for an intermediate surfer. I've turned beginner to intermediate surfers onto the approach for improving their surfing at an accelerated rate riding these little high performance drivers. I tell them that they will be able to position themselves back farther on take offs because the boards get in early and have "speed right off the line" unlike how you have to build up to terminable speed riding a displacement … |
| 135205 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 51 | newlyn | Aug 5, 2018 | 2018-08-05T19:23:18-0400 | As a follow-up to the original post, I came across a used 7'6 Austin last fall that fit the bill of what I was looking for, so I never ordered a SVM from either Bruce or Scott. Maybe someday... |
| 135208 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 52 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-05T21:01:11-0400 | No worries, that's your prerogative. There's lots of cool rides out there that people are trying in what I'm calling "the age of acceptance" aka 'open your mind your ass will follow. So, in the wake of that, people have asked how they ride, and I wrote a lengthy reply.... however 1 picture = 1,000 words, so if I can figure out how to post some eye candy, here we go..... wish me luck....this is a test!!! Pictured: former pro surfer, uber talented artist Michael De Nichola at an island just off North Sumatra on his painted stock, off the rack BF 6'8" machine. View attachment MDROPPING.IN.jpg View attachment MDROPPING.IN.jpg View attachment DINICHOLAtrough.jpg View attachment DiNicholaFLAT.jpg View attachment M1.jpg View attachment M2.jpg View attachment M4.jpg View attachment M3.jpg View attachment M5.jpg View attachment M6.jpg View attachment M7CLOSEUP.jpg View attachment DINICHOLAtrough.jpg |
| 135209 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 53 | deemce | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-05T21:20:25-0400 | Great Marketing write up Bruce (no BS). Now...does anyone have a 7'6"x23-23-1/4"x3-1/4" they want to part with? |
| 135210 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 54 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-05T21:25:23-0400 | View attachment DancarvingPavones.jpg View attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg View attachment IMG_2307.jpg Here's Danny DiMauro on his first stock off the rack 6'6" at Pavones..... he now lives in Bali with his quiver of BF 6'6" Plain Jane aka v machines. (Lefts) John Chimples from New York Costa Rica vacation (Rights) View attachment 693488FB-88E1-4A1D-9AD6-187B72D2AE16.jpg Additional eye candy deck arches which I have been doing since 1970 View attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg with resin pigments and tints. View attachment 7479 View attachment 7479 View attachment 7479 View attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg View attachment DancarvingPavones.jpg View attachment DannyDiMauroPavones.jpg View attachment 7479 View attachment 693488FB-88E1-4A1D-9AD6-187B72D2AE16.jpg View attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg View attachment 7479 View attachment DannyDiMauroPavones.jpg View attachment DannyDiMauroPavones.jpg H] View attachment 693488FB-88E1-4A1D-9AD6-187B72D2AE16.jpg View attachment 4CB585CC-DDBC-400C-8B8D-78D6B1998242.jpg |
| 135213 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 55 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-05T22:04:48-0400 | View attachment 7483 View attachment 7571 View attachment 7572 View attachment 7570 View attachment 7571 View attachment 7572 View attachment 7483 View attachment 7570 View attachment 7483 Dang, guess I'm gonna hafta figger howta edit. Practice makes perfect? View attachment Mr B 6.8".jpg Sensitive content, not recommended for those under 18 Show Content |
| 135220 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 56 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-06T10:53:45-0400 | View attachment 9.0 FoY Blank.jpg Wade In The Waves said: Bruce, your responses show you are a professional. I wasn't thinking about ordering a new board, but now you have me thinking about ordering one from you. Click to expand... Here's some information regarding DIMS & LITERS that will prove helpful for prospective buyers to consider: (or copy cats doing their own). 5'3"x20.35"x2.25" = 26.5 Liters (L) Float Well to 175 lbs./79.4kg) 5'6"x20.65"x2.37" = 29.7 L 5'6"x20.50"x2.50" = 32.0 L 5'9"x20.75"x2.50" = 33.1 L 6'0"x21.25"x2.65" = 37.6 L (Float Well to 200 lbs./90.7kg) 6'2"x21.25"2.65" = 39.7 L 6'3"x21.25"x2.65" = 39.3 L 6'4"x21.50"x2.75" = 41.7 L 6'6"x21.50"x2.88" = 46.0 L 6'6"x21.65"x2.85" = 45.0 L (Float Well to 225 lbs./102kg) 6'8"x21.65"x2.75" = 45.5 L 6'8"x21.75"x2.88" = 46.7 L 6'9"x22.25"x2.88" = 48.3 L 6'10"x21.85"x2.75" = 46.8 L 6'10"x21.75"x3.0"= 50.5 L 7'0"x22.25"x3.0" = 52.4 L (Float Well to 250 lbs./113.3kg) 7'0"x22.50"x3.0" = 52.9 L 7'3"x22.75"3.13" = 57.9 L 7'4"x22.50"x3.13" = 57.9 L 7'4"x22.75"x3.13" = 58.7 L 7'6"x23.25"x3.13" = 62.3 L (Float Well to 275 lbs./124.7kg) 7'9"x23.65"x3.0" = 61.6 L 8'0"23.25"x3.13" = 65.7 L 8'0"x23.50"x.2.65= 54.5L 8'0"x24"x3.0" = 64.4 L 8'0"x23.50"x3.38"= 71.4L (Float Well 325 lbs./147.4kg) And some other big daddy's that have been done: 8'6"x23.50"x2.75"= 62.2L 8'6"x23.75"x2.75"= 62.8L 8'6" x24.0"x3.25" = 69.4L 9'0"x24.0 "x2.75" = 67.2L 9'6"x23.75"x3.00" = 77.0L 10'0"x23.75"x3.65"=98.45L (Float Well NFL Lineman) Lots of glide, straight line trim speed, and 3 dimensional surfing with S Turns & Roundhouse cutbacks compared the the 2 dimensional flat & skatey fish. I have made tnem up to 10'0" |
| 135223 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 57 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-06T12:25:58-0400 | ekim said: Bruce uses Bob Haakenson glassing. No problem there. Click to expand... Haakenson does excellent work regardless of some of the comments made or "misses" on colorwork people have posted about. The best way to get what you want when you order from ANY glasser or board company is to be as specific as possible by providing pictures, paint samples, or as I have said elsewhere PANTONE color numbers. |
| 135228 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 58 | dingdong | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-06T14:03:36-0400 | Mr. Fowler's description of his plain jane/SVM is spot on, my first one was 6'8 and after riding it about a month or two, I was able to transition down to sub 6' foots boards pretty quickly, its a great midlength transition board, that's just as fun as hell to surf, and you don't need to move on if you don't want, just keep surfing that fun middie |
| 135232 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 59 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-06T14:16:17-0400 | Thanks for the kind words. When some bigger guys began asking me for shorter versions that would allow them to keep their foam, I created my "MiniMAX". The "Mini" is the length, and the "MAX" is their girth. They come standard as five fin setup but can be ordered as a tri for guys pinching pennies. I was making them 6'6" & smaller but then guys wanted me to expand to longer ones which I extended the offering all the way to 7'6" and informally called the longer ones "Mega MiniMAX". Here's some volume stats on them but not inclusive all the way to 7'4" or 6"..... gotta get in the shaping room & I'll edit later. A 7'4" MMX has as much volume as a regular SVM 8'0". Here are some MiniMAX Dims & Volume in Liters: 5'4"x23"x2.88" = 39.8L 5'6"x23"x3" = 42L 5'9"x22.75"x3"= 44L 5'10"x23"x3" = 46L 6'0"x23"x3" = 47L 6'2"x23"x3' = 48.6L 6'3"x23"x3" = 51L 6'4"x23"x3" = 50L 6'4"x23"x3.13" = 52L 6'6"x23.25"x3.18" = 54.6L 6'6"x23.25"x3.25" = 55.8L 6'10"x23.65"x3.25" = 59.8L 7'0"x23.50"x3.13" =58.8L ................. (280lb/127kg) 7'2"x23.75"x3.18 = 61.9L 7'4"x24.00"x3.25" = 66.5L ................ (325/148) |
| 135238 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 60 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-06T15:56:00-0400 | deemce said: Great Marketing write up Bruce (no BS). Now...does anyone have a 7'6"x23-23-1/4"x3-1/4" they want to part with? Click to expand... I just ordered varying sizes of the new Arctic ALGAE based sustainable foam. Same whiteness, resistance ot denting, etc. There will be 7'6"x23.25"x3.25" in that first group. These will be laminated with the new Silmar Modified Acrylic Polyester that we started with about 6 months ago. The resin has been extensively tested and netted 40% more strength over the Silmar 249-A that has been used by everyone for the last 40 years. The Modified Acrylic formula resists denting better & stays whiter longer with its UV inhibitors. UPDATE SEPTEMBER 4TH : The sustainable algae blanks are being heat tested among other things & must be 110% right before becoming available. |
| 135246 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 61 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 6, 2018 | 2018-08-06T17:33:38-0400 | How the hell do you do a NEW post on here? I'm like a kid in his first Soap Box Derby w/o brakes. Anyway, I was looking back at my Sway's posts after someone corrected me that I have done a V8 bigger than I stated. So I'm trying a cut & paste here to see if it works. Stand back everyone, kids, pleeeeeease don't try this at home! DEADSHAPER Last seen: 1 day 52 min ago Joined: 03/23/2007 Points: 1061 This is the end result of taking a complete crap blob 10'10"x32"x5"" thick SUP blank with primitive rocker and making something that can make music. Finished out at 10'2"x27"x 4". and FOILED. IMG_3279.jpg IMG_3285.jpg IMG_3290.jpg IMG_3293.jpg like 0 |
| 135257 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 62 | Makawaosurfer93 | Aug 7, 2018 | 2018-08-06T20:53:00-0400 | Bruce Fowler said: How the hell do you do a NEW post on here? I'm like a kid in his first Soap Box Derby w/o brakes. Anyway, I was looking back at my Sway's posts after someone corrected me that I have done a V8 bigger than I stated. So I'm trying a cut & paste here to see if it works. Stand back everyone, kids, pleeeeeease don't try this at home! DEADSHAPER Last seen: 1 day 52 min ago Joined: 03/23/2007 Points: 1061 This is the end result of taking a complete crap blob 10'10"x32"x5"" thick SUP blank with primitive rocker and making something that can make music. Finished out at 10'2"x27"x 4". and FOILED. IMG_3279.jpg IMG_3285.jpg IMG_3290.jpg IMG_3293.jpg like 0 Click to expand... On the home page of the "Surfing" Forum, clock on the huge green box that reads "Post New Thread". |
| 135267 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 63 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 7, 2018 | 2018-08-06T23:02:37-0400 | Oh.... duh. I'll give it a try. Mahalo .....what side does the wax go on? P.S. I actually meant post a new statement in an existing thread w/o having to always reply? ;-) |
| 135284 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 64 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 7, 2018 | 2018-08-07T13:02:01-0400 | View attachment Shawn's Green Meanie Comp Band.jpg ekim said: Bruce does Amtrak. The cheapest way to ship. Call Amtrak Santa barbera and get a quote to your zip. Click to expand... Although the post is from 2015, I just joined Jamboards, and I am updating some of the information on this thread. I used to ship quite a few sailboards (and some surfboards) using Amtrak when I was heavily involved in windsurfing production. I sent boards to the Bay area, Portland & Seattle stations due to their close proximity to the Columbia River Gorge, an epicenter & hotbed of windsurfing. I called Amtrak yesterday and spoke to their shipping department. They said they ship surfboards and they are not required to be in a shipping carton if they have a good travel bag or are carefully packed. I'm out of SBA (Santa Barbara) so I asked for a few quotes. For a surfboard with a total length packed of ten feet it's $105 to the East Coast.. They can be insured at $1 per $100 up to $2K. This price is probably similar from any West Coast station to the east, not just SB. Delivery takes 4 to 8 days. Phone number required as they call the customer when it arrives. To Oakland the cost is $65 Portland & Seattleis $85. Seattle is the furthest north for my west coast Canada orders. For my deliveries to Southern California, it was interesting to note that I was told that they do not ship surfboards over 7 ft. south of Los Angeles! Why that is, they didn't say, but it is probably due to heavy passenger traffic to those areas. $65 from SB to Santa Ana, Oceanside or San Diego for 7 dt. Max. Texas $85. I asked if it is still $105 if i put two or more surfboards in one box, and the woman answering me said they are supposed to check the contents to make sure they are adequately packed before putting on the train, but that doesn't always happen, but if they found two or more inside the carton it would be $105 each. She said that they know surfboards well, an… |
| 135310 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 65 | Macilious | Aug 8, 2018 | 2018-08-08T05:41:16-0400 | Hey Bruce... Welcome. Mac here better known as the owner of Big Pink. After years of lusting - I finally ordered a Big V8. Board is just what I wanted. 4+1 set up, funky color, paddles great. The only limitation is the Indian - not the arrow. But when I can get it goin'... it's a great feeling. Anyone in Belmar/Bradley Beach area wants to give it spin holla at ya boy. View attachment BIG.PINK4.jpg |
| 135315 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 66 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 8, 2018 | 2018-08-08T09:08:56-0400 | Thanks for representing. That sled being outta EPS/Epoxy is a mega V8 floating machine. But you're a big boy, so it all made sense to me when you ordered it. THe 9.75" Greenough might be a bit under but the quads & the surprise fin I sent you should be a fun alternative. Running purely as a single a 10.5 or 11" wouldn't hurt. Thanks for being generous to others here and offering a test ride! What a classy act!! BTW, some Controller type fins as a quad will make that baby go even faster than your "maybe too fast" comment you recently sent to me. LMAO. |
| 135316 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 67 | Macilious | Aug 8, 2018 | 2018-08-08T10:03:42-0400 | Here's a sexxy pool shot. I got EXACTLY what I wanted. Great float, beautiful V bottom and endless fins options. 1st time I paddling out I had that Tom Curren quote in my head something about him "knowing within 3 paddles if the board was LIVE or not". View attachment BIG.PINK3.jpg |
| 135553 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 68 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 13, 2018 | 2018-08-13T09:29:57-0400 | Here's some action for those who wish to view. Shawn Tracht in Central California on his 7'2" BF V8 V Bottom (not to be confused with the other guy, who decided to name his after my design....... they are totally different............... mine's better!!! LMAO. |
| 135589 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 69 | ekim | Aug 14, 2018 | 2018-08-14T04:52:24-0400 | Welcome, Bruce. Glad you're here! Love my 8'6" V8. |
| 135592 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 70 | sk8thom | Aug 14, 2018 | 2018-08-14T07:41:47-0400 | Indeed glad you're here Bruce. Love my 9'2" V Bottom. Thoughts on wide base vs smaller base for a fin? Stage 6"? Thanks in advance. |
| 135597 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 71 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 14, 2018 | 2018-08-14T11:37:35-0400 | View attachment IMG_2614.jpg View attachment IMG_2617.jpg View attachment IMG_2620.jpg View attachment IMG_2552.jpg View attachment IMG_3784.jpg View attachment IMG_3238.jpg View attachment IMG_3815.jpg View attachment IMG_3835.jpg View attachment IMG_3817.jpg sk8thom said: Indeed glad you're here Bruce. Love my 9'2" V Bottom. Thoughts on wide base vs smaller base for a fin? Stage 6"? Thanks in advance. Click to expand... The GG6 has a ton of hold although with the deep vee, the consensus has been to run them with sidebiters. It reminds me of a tiller on a sailboat or the popular "D Fin" from the 60's with a big bite taken out of it. The loss of area at the base offers maneuverability but the 'grip' moves back to where the area is: in the top half of the fin. With the V8's, the Greenough Stage VI works well for guys wanting more power , but it's necessary to play with it in regards to where you place the fin. What would have been the base of a more usual fin, say, like the Greenough Stage IV-A. The "high aspect" of the GG4 is quite different in approach from the GG6..... the 4A has a LOT of base running around 7-1/2" which generates a lot of speed by creating lateral resistance and directional stability right along the bottom of the board..... in this case, in conjunction with the peak of the panel vee. The spine of the vee acts like a fin in itself..... something they discovered with the old "Hotcurl" boards before Tom Blake came up with a bonafide fin. Many of the early day fins on those ancient surfboards were more like rails screwed on, more like keels. The Greenough Stage 6 is somewhat keel-ish in its approach due to the long rake from base to trailing edge of fin but it has a higher center of gravity so to speak being that the base is non existant. How the area is placed is what generates its speed versus the wide, close to bottom of the board base of the GG4-A. The Greenough Stage IV-A, in my opini… |
| 135603 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 72 | sk8thom | Aug 14, 2018 | 2018-08-14T12:50:45-0400 | Thanks. |
| 135619 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 73 | jtsfla | Aug 15, 2018 | 2018-08-14T21:42:51-0400 | The 8.5" 4A that Bruce sent with my 7'9" is perfect. All the way up in the box. One of the best boards I've ever owned. |
| 135624 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 74 | ekim | Aug 15, 2018 | 2018-08-15T02:17:06-0400 | jtsfla said: The 8.5" 4A that Bruce sent with my 7'9" is perfect. All the way up in the box. One of the best boards I've ever owned. Click to expand... When you say "all the way up" what is the distance it's running off the tail? I ran a 9" 4A 12" of the tail. Worked great. 9.5 4A not so much. 10" Velzy classic 12" off the tail is best so far. |
| 135625 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 75 | Macilious | Aug 15, 2018 | 2018-08-15T06:09:26-0400 | Sorry for jacking this thread. No disrespect. I know it wasn't started as Fowlers, Fins and Fans. Now since I have apologized, I can go on talking about FFF - b/c Ricky Bobby said it's in the Geneva convention! New board rule #1 try the board with the fins/placement the shaper recommends. BF told me 4A - upfront to start and maybe a Stage VI. HE also sent me a 4A, as well as, 4+1 set up . So naturally I put an MD3 mid and then all the way back. Which was a little loose for me. Then I went 4 sides. I was close to dusting off the Turbo Tunnel, but I'll go back to rule #1. So I'll go 4A up front and then Stage VI... |
| 135668 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 76 | jtsfla | Aug 16, 2018 | 2018-08-15T21:18:02-0400 | ekim said: When you say "all the way up" what is the distance it's running off the tail? I ran a 9" 4A 12" of the tail. Worked great. 9.5 4A not so much. 12" Velzy classic 12" off the tail is best so far. Click to expand... Just measured. Rear edge of fin is at 13.75" from tip of tail. |
| 135674 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 77 | ekim | Aug 16, 2018 | 2018-08-16T02:58:24-0400 | Funny ,BF told me start at 12" off tail? Seems to work well enough but will try 13.75. That is if the short box will allow it.Mine is an older version, I guess he's putting a long box in V8's now. |
| 135680 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 78 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 16, 2018 | 2018-08-16T11:01:12-0400 | View attachment IMG_4714.jpg View attachment IMG_2949.jpg View attachment IMG_3707.jpg View attachment IMG_2612.jpg View attachment IMG_3718.jpg View attachment IMG_4463.jpg View attachment STEP DECK GLASSING STAND.jpg View attachment IMG_4907.jpg View attachment IMG_4821.jpg View attachment IMG_3741.jpg There's really NO set hard rule for exact placement. I suggest placement and I did a work up placing the fin boxes relative to the board's length so the fins could NOT be placed farther back like what you might find on many longboards. I have always emphasized the point that the "V8" isn't a longboard, nor should it be ridden like a longboard! Control is gained by riding the boards closer toward center of the board. As you fudge your foot positioning back, the boards become looser and looser...... I intentionally designed the V8 that way to allow the rider to experiment with the ride. So looser & looser to the point of squirreliness and even controlled power sliding and inevitable spinout. Yes...... spinout. This is something I wanted to retain in the design as an homage to the original v bottoms. Back in the late 60's the boards were dubbed "spinout queens" and even "the boards that didn't work". Not a fair statement in my book...... truth is, when G&S picked up Midget's design and produced them in the states, they sold thousands of them, primarily in Florida & the eastern seaboard. The boards worked really well in 1 to 5 ft. surf. Midget's original board had a deep hatchet fin that he designed to "promote drift". So I stayed true with that in my reworked updated design, then took it further. While it is true that everything comes around that goes around that comes around that....... well, you catch my drift (pun intended) this saying doesn't mean you have to confine yourself to making something retro that can't expand upon the original design - that's what I state in my original write ups while introducing this design direction. At 66… |
| 135717 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 79 | sk8thom | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T07:51:45-0400 | the new boards, the new sensations a surfboard offers that keeps you surfing", and I think there is a lot of truth to that. Puts into words why I have 30+ boards and am always switching up depending on conditions, mood, and whim. Riding the same board for a month is a big challenge for me. Maybe back to one, but which one........... |
| 135721 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 80 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T09:32:40-0400 | Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Well stated. Variety is the spice of life for some, but can be a quandary for others. My "Convertible" is an attempt to offer the simple man a "one board quiver". Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 135726 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 81 | SeniorGrom | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T11:01:39-0400 | In all my years......I have NEVER seen this type of self promotion on Jamboards. If this were Ryan L just checking in to say hi, some on here would be ripping him to shreads! (With all due respect of course). Come on Bruce.....over-the-top much? |
| 135728 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 82 | dgarland10 | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T11:51:34-0400 | I appreciate getting the shapers thoughts on his boards and his fin recommendations. If I didn't I simply wouldn't read his posts |
| 135729 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 83 | Pacis | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T12:27:59-0400 | Ahhhh come on SG. Maybe some self promoting ,you can read his positive energy on what he posts ......... Bruce just spilled some of his 50 + years of knowledge ............ you had to piss on his rainbow Promoting is all part of being SELF employed. Bruce thanks for sharing your enthusiasm and knowledge of shaping and designs |
| 135730 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 84 | Freddibetts | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T12:30:16-0400 | SeniorGrom said: In all my years......I have NEVER seen this type of self promotion on Jamboards. If this were Ryan L just checking in to say hi, some on here would be ripping him to shreads! (With all due respect of course). Come on Bruce.....over-the-top much? Click to expand... Bahaha - thought the same - but i MUST say that V8 is now on my list - so its working |
| 135731 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 85 | SeniorGrom | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T12:33:20-0400 | I like the boards too. Jamboards now = rainbows & unicorns |
| 135740 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 86 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T13:31:57-0400 | SeniorGrom said: In all my years......I have NEVER seen this type of self promotion on Jamboards. If this were Ryan L just checking in to say hi, some on here would be ripping him to shreads! (With all due respect of course). Come on Bruce.....over-the-top much? Click to expand... Sorry if I'm not operating per the status quo for Jamboards. Then again, I'm coming from being on Swaylocks - they are structured differently. If you haven't been on Sways, they have an Industry Section, a Public section that is for DIYer's, & other stuff...... they decided that some of my stuff belonged in the Surfshop section, and Huck actually created a thread "hoping I would chime in". When I first joined Swaylocks a ton of years ago, I was actually told I revitalized the whole site.... that it had grown stagnant and there was a real need for new blood. Ironically, as far as your comment re: Ryan Lovelace.... Ryan is one of the BIGGEST, most savvy self promoters out there. All the vimeos, travel, website info, shop creation has rapidly accelerated him up the social status as a shaper, which, to be quite honest, some of the most established bonafide longtime shapers I know absolutely hate. They feel his popularity has far exceeded his actual talent. I think a good amount of the rumbling I've heard is due to jealousy. Ryan is better at promoting himself while attracting a core of good surfers riding his designs, he is a very artistic individual that lends greatly to his success. Still, he has his detractors, and I imagine, so do I. Ever have a friend that wants you to do well, but not as well as them? So what else is new in the name of self promotion, legend wannabes, or even legends in their own minds? If you want to be successful in a self owned surfboard business, you'd best be able to walk the walk and know your sh-t rather than stealing other people's ideas and spewing sound bites. Christenson cites in an interview how hard he worked for years hoping thi… |
| 135748 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 87 | Eelgrass | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T14:31:39-0400 | Soooo... Thinking about ordering a SVM (aka Plain Jane). Who should I get one from? Bruce Fowler or Scott Anderson? |
| 135749 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 88 | jbb | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T14:31:55-0400 | Pacis said: Ahhhh come on SG. Maybe some self promoting ,you can read his positive energy on what he posts ......... Bruce just spilled some of his 50 + years of knowledge ............ you had to piss on his rainbow Promoting is all part of being SELF employed. Bruce thanks for sharing your enthusiasm and knowledge of shaping and designs Click to expand... Hey Cindy SG just stated a fact, shared an observation. He didn't piss on anything. Don't be a drama queen. |
| 135752 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 89 | SeniorGrom | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T14:55:58-0400 | Bruce Fowler said: Sorry if I'm not operating per the status quo for Jamboards. Then again, I'm coming from being on Swaylocks for a very long time and they are structured differently. If you haven't been on Sways, they have an Industry Section, a Public section that is for DIYer's, and then other stuff...... they decided that some of my stuff belonged in the Surfshop section, and Huck actually created a thread "hoping I would chime in". When I first joined Swaylocks a ton of years ago, I was actually told I revitalized the whole site.... that it had grown stagnant and there was a real need for new blood. I hope that's the case for Jamboards. I tried to join it years ago and the powers that be were not allowing new people to join. Which probably helped contribute to the site stagnating or becoming boring to may members. Ironically, as far as your comment re: Ryan Lovelace.... Ryan is one of the BIGGEST, most savvy self promoters out there. All the vimeos, travel, website info, shop creation has rapidly accelerated him up the social status as a shaper, which, to be quite honest, some of the most established bonafide longtime shapers I know absolutely hate. They feel his popularity has far exceeded his actual talent. I think a good amount of the rumbling I've heard is due to jealousy. Ryan is better at promoting himself while attracting a core of good surfers riding his designs, he is a very artistic individual that has lended greatly to his success. Still, he has his detractors, and I imagine, do I. I was once told, when you start having guys talking sh-t about you & trying to pull you down, it probably means you are on the right path. So what else is new in the name of self promotion, legend wannabes, or even legends in their own minds? If you want to be successful in a self owned surfboard business, you'd best be able to walk the walk and know your sh-t rather than stealing other people's ideas and spewing sound bites. Christenson cites in an interview how… |
| 135754 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 90 | OCSURFER32 | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T16:04:09-0400 | Keep them coming Bruce !!! All is Well Beat the Shit out of Cat Pictures No Offense Apple Kitty |
| 135759 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 91 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T17:24:49-0400 | I can be cryptic too.1 pictue = 1,000 words. Bravado, Displaced ego or confidence from gained knowledge while engaged in your passion? .I can edit myself if you like. Pffffffffffffffffffffft. :-# |
| 135760 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 92 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 17, 2018 | 2018-08-17T17:33:47-0400 | Randy from Wavefront told me yesterday there are Anderson Stoker V Machines that have been sitting in The Beach House for a year. Maybe you can get a deal on one? I'd offer one rooster & two egg laying hens, that would be a good starting point. Roger who owns the BH lives up in the valley near me, he has 25 acres and his wife is a real horse woman. That's insider information.... shhhhh! It might make you swing the deal. Myself personally, I'd swap out for a pot belly pig! In any regard, best of luck. If all else fails, I would be honored to make you one at factory direct pricing. I have some extra stock on hand that I will wheel & deal too, btw. Email: deadshaper@gmail.com . Excuse the shameless promotion, but I have a mortgage to pay. Just trying to help. |
| 135790 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 93 | Human | Aug 18, 2018 | 2018-08-18T16:16:17-0400 | Ah yes, the Butt Hutt days, a fine clothing boutique indeed. |
| 135793 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 94 | miscreant | Aug 18, 2018 | 2018-08-18T16:45:46-0400 | I don’t recommend owning a pig. They are insane beasts. |
| 135796 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 95 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 18, 2018 | 2018-08-18T17:55:10-0400 | miscreant said: I don't recommend owning a pig. They are insane beasts. Click to expand... Hmmm, from my understanding they are super intelligent creatures. A doctor friend had one in Hope Ranch down in Santa Barbara and his kids just loved it. Then 'the Association' called them and told them the bylaws didn't allow "farm animals" so they had to relocate it up on a ranch in the SYV (I live outside of Solvang)..... so, somewhere up hereabouts. Anyway, I was just kinda joking on that anyway. Oh, by the way "sweating like a pig" is not likely..... pigs don't have sweat glands. |
| 135800 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 96 | Bruce Fowler | Aug 18, 2018 | 2018-08-18T18:07:18-0400 | Here's a nice one someone could score at a less than ridiculous price. Full chambered prime Ecuadorean and at a surfing weight that keeps the board offering a lively ride. Oftentimes balsa are heavy and good for wall hanging & looking at, but not every day surfing. (Note: this board is spoken for!) This one is. Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 135813 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 97 | waaahoo | Aug 19, 2018 | 2018-08-18T21:53:05-0400 | Any balsa V8's in existence? |
| 135817 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 98 | Human | Aug 19, 2018 | 2018-08-19T01:02:25-0400 | What a Fucking joke. |
| 135819 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 99 | ekim | Aug 19, 2018 | 2018-08-19T05:28:44-0400 | . |
| 135824 | 4461 | Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson? | 100 | Human | Aug 19, 2018 | 2018-08-19T08:59:30-0400 | Ha! If you only knew. |
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