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| 10008 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 62 | unforgiven | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T10:18:06-0400 | I have posted this photo before.. .sorry but I couldn't help myself. I see some of flow's point. It is a lot of money..... I talked about getting a Tyler for 10 years..even called him once and picked his brain. bottom line is ...surfboards are usually either art/function, function/art...or some just function....some barley do that. let me start with art first: a great artist's painting can sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars even if the material was $300. function: ask how much evil Knievel would charge to build you a motorcycle by hand. ...Tyler is 225lbs and is one of the best noseriders in the world....he knows what he is doing. One God,One Board,One Fin,One Country Image processing. Refresh page to view |
| 10012 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 63 | creoque? | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T11:26:00-0400 | No one is disputing that those surfboards are a lot of money. What is under dispute is the misconception that all of that money is profit. That the craftsmen of our generation are consistently shaping 10 boards a week, or whatever other fictitious figures were posted (200 boards a year :?) and making 2000 a board or even half of that per board....I think that a lot of people (I will include myself) just feel miffed if for no other reason that a "label"...(or rather "lable") board is just that......that the cost is not justified.......Yeah everyone know that's a lot of money....but don't trash it...or put it into some sort of negative "oh it's just a label" like it's some yuppie thing or whatever.............. Also, fictitious factoids and cost / profit analysis of the burgeoning U.S. of A surfboard industry bothers people...b/c it is just hot air.....and not even nice Santa Ana's or nothin' As has been said MULTIPLE times on this forum....if you don't want to pay 2000 for a board.....you don't have to. Welcome to freedom and a free market economy.......:dude: WHeeeeeeewwww I feel a fishin' session coming on |
| 10020 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 64 | joeblackuz | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T15:40:34-0400 | If a board is just a board, and raw materials are only $300, and thats what you are worried about then check out these +++ 3 CLASSIC NOSERIDER LONGBOARDS +++ - $399 http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/spo/381265746.html I for one have never seen a classic noserider with sidebites, I guess they threw that one in fo' free.... Joe |
| 10042 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 65 | orkney | Jul 28, 2007 | 2007-07-27T20:24:10-0400 | I've never ridden a Tyler board but wouldn't have a problem paying for one of his boards. Surfing is a relatively cheap sport compared to some. His boards will last and you know you've got a quality product. He'll never make millions - even at these prices. His market is relatively limited and there is a physical limit to the number of boards that he can produce. He's obviously good at what he does and is known internationally. I thought that knocking successful people was a British disease. Good luck to him. Seems like a solid bloke to me. |
| 10046 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 66 | aslbuck | Jul 28, 2007 | 2007-07-28T06:30:03-0400 | orkney wrote: I thought that knocking successful people was a British disease. Good luck to him. Seems like a solid bloke to me. Click to expand... Seems to be the American way too! hahaha. By the way, can you guys please take David Beckham back!!! I've been a non-fan of his since his red card against Argentina in the 98 World Cup, and now having to see that lazy, one footed hack get all this hype in the US is making me wanna puke. |
| 10047 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 67 | orkney | Jul 28, 2007 | 2007-07-28T07:31:36-0400 | aslbuck wrote: orkney wrote: I thought that knocking successful people was a British disease. Good luck to him. Seems like a solid bloke to me. Click to expand... Seems to be the American way too! hahaha. By the way, can you guys please take David Beckham back!!! I've been a non-fan of his since his red card against Argentina in the 98 World Cup, and now having to see that lazy, one footed hack get all this hype in the US is making me wanna puke. Click to expand... No please keep him as long as you can - and his wife. Especially his wife. |
| 10048 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 68 | aslbuck | Jul 28, 2007 | 2007-07-28T07:42:52-0400 | orkney wrote: No please keep him as long as you can - and his wife. Especially his wife. Click to expand... I am begging you, please take him back. He is such a f*cking wanker. His low point, and the point that epitomizes his career, in my mind, is last world cup england's final match that pretty boy wank plays like 58 minutes and is seen vomiting on the field because he lacks fitness. Why couldn't gazza have come here 10 years ago????? I love Gazza. |
| 10049 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 69 | orkney | Jul 28, 2007 | 2007-07-28T10:47:23-0400 | aslbuck wrote: orkney wrote: Why couldn't gazza have come here 10 years ago????? I love Gazza. Click to expand... Yes Gazza was a class act and a potential all time great. Just not all there upstairs unfortunately. I'd be impressed if an American could understand a word he says as most of his fellow counrtymen can't. He's now an alcoholic which is tragic really. An honest gut though. Just a bit of a screw loose. |
| 10050 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 70 | aslbuck | Jul 28, 2007 | 2007-07-28T10:52:15-0400 | orkney wrote: I'd be impressed if an American could understand a word he says as most of his fellow counrtymen can't. He's now an alcoholic which is tragic really. An honest gut though. Just a bit of a screw loose. Click to expand... He's now an alcoholic????? I reckon he's been one for years. I remember reading an article in one of the London papers years ago where he was red carded and rather than go into the lockerroom he went straight thru the tunnel, out the stadium gate and into the pub across the street where he was seen hoisting them back still in full uniform, cleats, guards, and all. hahaha. it is tragic though. so much talent wasted. i always felt Gazza was one of those everyman kinda guys. you know? that is, you look at the guy and he doesn't even resemble an athlete and looks like he should be on the couch drunk. yet, when you see him play he blew your mind. made you think to yourself, if a guy that looks like that can do that with his feet, i can do anything i wanna do also. hahaha. |
| 10054 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 71 | PeakMaster | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-28T23:24:31-0400 | aslbuck wrote: orkney wrote: No please keep him as long as you can - and his wife. Especially his wife. Click to expand... I am begging you, please take him back. He is such a f*cking wanker. His low point, and the point that epitomizes his career, in my mind, is last world cup england's final match that pretty boy wank plays like 58 minutes and is seen vomiting on the field because he lacks fitness. Why couldn't gazza have come here 10 years ago????? I love Gazza. Click to expand... aslbuck....we can't give him back so soon! He is just on verge of making soccer as popular as baseball here! |
| 10055 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 72 | aslbuck | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T06:13:59-0400 | shame on you peak! soccer is a way better game than baseball. and i mean that. its a crime soccer never gets the interest it should in this country. |
| 10056 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 73 | nicoprout | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T06:18:58-0400 | aslbuck wrote: shame on you peak! soccer is a way better game than baseball. and i mean that. its a crime soccer never gets the interest it should in this country. Click to expand... I always tought that amercian created games such baseball or football, to be world champion of something that they were the only one to play |
| 10057 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 74 | aslbuck | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T06:38:46-0400 | don't forget basketball too. oh wait, we're not the best anymore, i forgot we're now losing to puerto rico, not even a sovereign nation (sorry mro), and argentina. |
| 10058 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 75 | rapier_96 | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T06:47:36-0400 | Don't you think that if Anderson could sell boards at 2000 -2500 each, he would? someone once said, "that a product is worth what someone is willing to pay for it". Chicksav, nice board.........I always thought you were a chick though. I gotta start quoting myself more like 'ol Log Donkey. |
| 10059 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 76 | Kaholo | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T08:01:35-0400 | flowrider wrote: yea, tyler probably only makes as much as the next guy working at lowes, right? lets say he gets his blanks wholesale for 100 bucks each. He probably pays a little bit less. He spends another 150 on the glass and resin. want to throw another 50 bucks onto there, make it 300 dollars in cost a board? ok. so he spends 300 dollars on supplies. he makes 5 boards a week. he has another guy in there working with him, and a few groms running the shop. so just talking gross, his shop and entire operations is making 5X50 (two weeks vacation, right?) 200 boards a year. lets say he sells each board for 1900, we will multiply 2000 by 200 and his is business is making 400000 dollars a year. now take out shop rent, supplies, and paying his employees, all three of them, and tyler is still making a very good amount of money. a lot more then most people in the middle class. and claiming that tyler can make a double 8 0z volan longboard stronger than anderson and aquatech with teh same blanks and materials is just not right. or at least the results would be so small they would be insignificant, IF it could even happen. and andersons with double 8 oz volan clear start at 850. thats half the price. half the price. half the price. see ya. Click to expand... What a Buffoon! buf·foon Pronunciation: (")b&-'fün Function: noun Etymology: Middle French bouffon, from Old Italian buffone 1 : a ludicrous figure : CLOWN 2 : a gross and usually ill-educated or stupid person buf·foon (bÉ™-fÅÅn') n. A clown; a jester: a court buffoon. [list type=decimal] [*] [*]A person given to clowning and joking. [*]A ludicrous or bumbling person; a fool. [*] [/list type=decimal] buffoon noun 1. a rude or vulgar fool [syn: clown ] |
| 10060 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 77 | PeakMaster | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T09:54:53-0400 | aslbuck wrote: shame on you peak! soccer is a way better game than baseball. and i mean that. its a crime soccer never gets the interest it should in this country. Click to expand... You know I'm busting balls. Are you kidding me. They when the World Cup is on, they have barges on the Rhine River in Frankfurt/Mainz with jumbotrons playing to 80K on the banks drinking beer that might even be better then Rolling Rock! I hear ya pal. |
| 10063 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 78 | rapier_96 | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T10:45:25-0400 | I know soccer is #1 around the world, but I just don't get it. Shoot I can barely watch hockey. |
| 10064 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 79 | houseofsuffering | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T11:06:35-0400 | I love watching all the world cup matches when its on, but can't get into the MLS. I'm curious about Fox Soccer Channel and just how many European League Games one can see on it. I was thinking about adding it to cable bill. |
| 10065 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 80 | aslbuck | Jul 29, 2007 | 2007-07-29T12:38:21-0400 | agreed. the mls sucks. definitely get fox soccer channel, its well worth it. i get a ton of epl games, bundesliga, serie a, argentine league, etc. |
| 9932 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 21 | twizzly | Jul 23, 2007 | 2007-07-23T11:03:30-0400 | Anderson, Dan-O and Bing are some of the best "bang for the buck" boards out there. |
| 9935 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 22 | chicksav | Jul 23, 2007 | 2007-07-23T11:21:13-0400 | Actually, I own 2 tylers amd own 1 dano alex knost model. I have owned a Dano nose glider as well. It had a glass on fin like all my boards. No, the glass jobs are not the same. The Tylers are way heavier/tighter glass jobs, usually 10oz. My Tylers do not have a dent in them. My 1st Dano's fin cracked at the base and I had to put an extra layer of glass on it. My Alex knost Model dented on the deck the 1st day I had it. Sorry, i have owned (own) two of each, I think I have more room to speak to it than you. I also used to run my own ding repair buisness so I know a bit about glassing. They may both use Volan, but how you glass the board (pull through the glass, squeege, etc) when your glassing it means alot more than just the kind of glass you use. So save it and pretend you know what your talking abut to someone else. Your not just "paying for a label" your paying for craftsmanship (craftsman) and the accumulated knowledge and ability of that craftsman. So, I'm sorry you can't afford it, save up or get a second job, but don't claim your paying for a label when you've never surfed one, owned one. I've looked at ferrari's but that does not mean I think they are just a label cuz I cant afford one. |
| 9936 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 23 | log donkey | Jul 23, 2007 | 2007-07-23T11:22:27-0400 | log donkey wrote: oh and, forget about labor, that ain't worth s&*t Click to expand... forget about talent too |
| 9937 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 24 | merrik87 | Jul 23, 2007 | 2007-07-23T12:14:56-0400 | Post some pics of your Tylers...Mini Zekes and all if possible I want to see |
| 9938 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 25 | poser516 | Jul 23, 2007 | 2007-07-23T12:35:14-0400 | but chicksav. its not craftsmanship to that level. a double 10 oz glassjob is pretty much just as strong no matter who you get it from ,as long as its done right. tylers glassjobs arent stronger because of his skill, they are stronger because he may use heavier glass. so, to remedy the problem of your other boards dinging, but not your tylers, ask for double 10 oz glass. and tylers don't even come with double 10, by the way. its usually 10 and then a 6 oz, i believe. some people dont' glass stronger than others using the same material. for the most part, its all just fiberglass and poly resin. it can only be so strong. |
| 9939 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 26 | chicksav | Jul 23, 2007 | 2007-07-23T14:19:26-0400 | Well first of all, I dont believe I said double 10, I believe I said my Mini is double 8. And I suppose, if you wanted it you could have double 10. I know lots of guys who have single 10 with an 8 deck patch, but Tyler will make it how ever you like if he thinks its reasonable, all of his boards craftsman or otherwise are still made to your specs, he just does not glass the non craftsman himself, sooo...again, you don't know what your talking about. As for the danos they were both his standard glassing for those models, again just not strong enough for a traditional log. His boards are good no question, thats why I own them, just not on the same level. And YES, some people can glass stronger than others simply because they are aware of other things that other glassers are not. Air temp, catalyst ratio to tint ratio etc, how you work the cloth, ever notice how all of tylers boards dont cover up the cut lap with a pin line, its cuz their f-ing perfect. When I ordered mine with a pin line he said he would do it because he thought it made the green board with white fin look asthetically pleasing but that he normally does not do it beacuse most glassers use a fat pin line to cover up their shitty cut laps. With as many boards as I've been through and repaired he is for sure dead on. Its that attention to detail that makes the difference all across the board. AGain, I own both, and yes there is a big difference. And shaping a board is not just about glassing flow, its also how far you push the foam that makes it stronger to. The foam gets less dense the closer you get to the center. Its walking that fine shaping line that makes the board that much stronger. And the truth is hes just better at it than most. Why is that so hard to believe?????? Buy one and figure it out for yourself. Don't just claim you know the difference. Thats just wasting valuable breaths you could be using to get a second job to buy a Tyler. Attached files |
| 9946 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 27 | high pockets | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-23T22:43:59-0400 | Little off topic but has anyone out there tried a tyler wingnose? Starting to give one an awful lotta thought of late. |
| 9947 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 28 | slosurf | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-23T23:25:23-0400 | Wow, that is a sweet looking board chicksav. I totally agree with you re Tyler quality. |
| 9948 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 29 | johnxyz | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T00:48:41-0400 | I want a Tyler! Period! |
| 9949 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 30 | NJ Longboarder | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T01:05:05-0400 | log donkey wrote: log donkey wrote: oh and, forget about labor, that ain't worth s&*t Click to expand... forget about talent too Click to expand... You can't put a price on either one of these. If you break down the time a shaper actually spends on a board, he/she would probably get paid more if he/she worked at home depot or walmart. It is a labor of love. If you think they charge too much, why are people standing in line to order and custom orders are months away. Supply and demand my friend. |
| 9951 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 31 | malibu_lizard | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T01:55:37-0400 | I have a 305 and it rocks. I got a slight discount and with the exchange rate (euro) it worked out very competitively for me. His advice was superb and I got exactly the board I wanted. Its bullet proof, I reckon it'll last for ever!. Its also the best noserider I've ever had (much better than my Tudor DN). I dont mind paying for quality, craftmanship, knowledge etc, the price was not the deciding factorbut also in life you get what you pay for. How much do skilled carpenters charge for their labour/knowledge etc. Surfboards are way underpriced in general in my opinion. ps my brother has a Mini zeke and the workmanship on it is also fantastic. |
| 9952 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 32 | elkisthebastard | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T02:34:59-0400 | twizzly wrote: Anderson, Dan-O and Bing are some of the best "bang for the buck" boards out there. Click to expand... Just as a side note, I finally got to see two Dan-Os up close (not many floating around the east coast) and while they both seemed pretty solid glass-wise and totatlly great to look at, the first thing I noticed is that one of them had a completely off-center stringer. Not exactly what I'd expect for the price. Now, back to your scheduled programing... |
| 9953 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 33 | pierpont-scott | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T03:06:33-0400 | "And shaping a board is not just about glassing flow, its also how far you push the foam that makes it stronger to. The foam gets less dense the closer you get to the center. Its walking that fine shaping line that makes the board that much stronger." this statement is not very true any more. Most blanks since the close of clark foam are not multidensity ie softer in the middle unless you are using a crappy blank . It is all in the glassing. you can use 20 oz cloth if it is not wetted out propperly it will probably be a crappy board. the laminating technique is probably the most important step in creating a strong board, it has very little to do with how much cloth you put on . if you float your cloth or leave it to dry then you get a weak lam and then it doesn't matter how much cloth you put on or how awesome the polish looks . |
| 9954 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 34 | pierpont-scott | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T03:22:18-0400 | flowrider you have no idea what it cost to make a surfboard do you? blank 150 dollars on the low end for the stringer combos tyler uses, thats for the blank, then there is the cost to shape the blank, and all the tools used to shape it , then it is off to glasser, the 150 dollars might have been in materials not labor so the glass job probably runs close to $500 for the cost of tylers high end work, then there is the cost of the factory in which he runs his operation. then after that is all considered tyler has to figure out how many board he can realistically make a week and still keep quality at top levels that is all figured into cost of a board. then at the end of that the guy has few employees he has to pay, and lets not forget he needs to pay himself! Its not a label beacuse there are boards out there that perform better than the average turd and it is pretty evident from the moment you ride them. |
| 9955 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 35 | chicksav | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T03:28:28-0400 | I'm not sure if thats True Scot (the foam density thing), its very hard to get a faom that is equal density thruoghout. Clark foam density always changed as you worked it. Maybee walker is different, I'm really not sure as I've never used it. But you are 100% right about the glassing my brother. Thanks for the correction on the foam though. |
| 9956 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 36 | johnxyz | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T03:46:03-0400 | I believe we all are thinking there is a tiny little bit of truth in flowrider's posts - $2,000 - $2,500 seems to hit a high water mark in our minds for a board however is overall argument is almost devoid of merit - his product costing for a Tyler is really inaccurate - on the low side - as everyone has pointed out. When your looking at a Tyler as a comparative to most if not all other labels its apples and oranges - Tylers (and Cooperfishes) are the penultimate in the craft. There are a zillion other comparables - some which have been mentioned - largely handbuilt cars, bicycle frames, couture clothing and shoes (both men's and women) etc etc whereby the craftsmanship labour, materials and brand good will & history account for the pricing. Anyway one of Tyler's big %ss fins has to be at least $100 bucks easy.... |
| 9957 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 37 | chicksav | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T03:58:34-0400 | Yeah but those are some niiiiiiiice fins! |
| 9958 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 38 | creoque? | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T04:03:46-0400 | I thought the whole cost of the board / overpriced boards topic was beaten to death a while back? You pay for what you get...it's not just the label....it's the craftmanship, knowledge and love of the boardbuilding that goes into it....Don't forget (as other people have stated) these guys (Zeph, Tyler, Coop) have an amazing eye for detail. If you think they are overpriced.....you don't have to buy it....That's the beauty of living in America, we are free to choose what we want...... It seems that it keeps popping up...So and so has a way overpriced board, but hey did you know you can get so and so's board for way less and it's almost the same.........I mean come on..... |
| 9959 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 39 | chicksav | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T04:04:40-0400 | Word.:dude: |
| 9963 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 40 | merrik87 | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T06:19:41-0400 | Chicksav ......That is a beautiful board. Thanx for the pic :dude: |
| 9968 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 41 | surferchic5555 | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T13:44:11-0400 | Love that blue! What are the dims - is that your 9'6" custom order? |
| 9969 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 42 | chicksav | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T13:58:51-0400 | No, thats my mini zeke, its 8'6". I never took the dims on the zeke as I got it used. I have yet to take pics of the point but when I get the chance I'll take em and post em. Chicksav |
| 9970 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 43 | log donkey | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T14:26:25-0400 | NJ Longboarder wrote: log donkey wrote: log donkey wrote: oh and, forget about labor, that ain't worth s&*t Click to expand... forget about talent too Click to expand... You can't put a price on either one of these. If you break down the time a shaper actually spends on a board, he/she would probably get paid more if he/she worked at home depot or walmart. It is a labor of love. If you think they charge too much, why are people standing in line to order and custom orders are months away. Supply and demand my friend. Click to expand... i'm in agreement,..hence my sarcastic remarks to another doubter OK!>?>!? SHEESH!!!1111oneone |
| 9971 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 44 | log donkey | Jul 24, 2007 | 2007-07-24T14:27:33-0400 | twizzly wrote: Anderson, Dan-O, Jim Phillips and Bing are some of the best "bang for the buck" boards out there. Click to expand... |
| 9976 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 45 | surflax | Jul 25, 2007 | 2007-07-25T06:39:14-0400 | Just took a few pics of my new point model. I'm way behind the curve in posting photos, so any help would be great and I'll get them up asap. |
| 9980 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 46 | poser516 | Jul 25, 2007 | 2007-07-25T11:17:23-0400 | yea, tyler probably only makes as much as the next guy working at lowes, right? lets say he gets his blanks wholesale for 100 bucks each. He probably pays a little bit less. He spends another 150 on the glass and resin. want to throw another 50 bucks onto there, make it 300 dollars in cost a board? ok. so he spends 300 dollars on supplies. he makes 5 boards a week. he has another guy in there working with him, and a few groms running the shop. so just talking gross, his shop and entire operations is making 5X50 (two weeks vacation, right?) 200 boards a year. lets say he sells each board for 1900, we will multiply 2000 by 200 and his is business is making 400000 dollars a year. now take out shop rent, supplies, and paying his employees, all three of them, and tyler is still making a very good amount of money. a lot more then most people in the middle class. and claiming that tyler can make a double 8 0z volan longboard stronger than anderson and aquatech with teh same blanks and materials is just not right. or at least the results would be so small they would be insignificant, IF it could even happen. and andersons with double 8 oz volan clear start at 850. thats half the price. half the price. half the price. see ya. |
| 9981 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 47 | pierpont-scott | Jul 25, 2007 | 2007-07-25T11:26:37-0400 | do you know what your talking about????? NO . you may think you do but you really have no clue as to what it cost to make a board of that calibur. |
| 9983 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 48 | aslbuck | Jul 25, 2007 | 2007-07-25T18:42:56-0400 | gotta agree with you on this one scottie. this guy clearly doesn't know his elbow from his ass on this one. do a little research "flowrider" then get back to us. or rather, do a lot of research, you need the brushing up. find a wealthy shaper and you just found a shaper with secondary income or old family money. |
| 9984 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 49 | dand | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-25T22:57:13-0400 | flowrider wrote: lets say Click to expand... "Lets say" always seems to precede a poor calculation of why something is too expense or why someone should make more money than they do. Where did the numbers go when you figured out that even with expenses Tyler should be rolling in it? |
| 9985 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 50 | NJ Longboarder | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T00:00:17-0400 | flowrider wrote: a lot more then most people in the middle class. Click to expand... Regardless of your poor analogy, why should the BEST shapers in the entire industry be merely "middle class"? |
| 9986 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 51 | malibu_lizard | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T01:53:35-0400 | flowrider wrote: yea, tyler probably only makes as much as the next guy working at lowes, right? lets say he gets his blanks wholesale for 100 bucks each. He probably pays a little bit less. He spends another 150 on the glass and resin. want to throw another 50 bucks onto there, make it 300 dollars in cost a board? ok. so he spends 300 dollars on supplies. he makes 5 boards a week. he has another guy in there working with him, and a few groms running the shop. so just talking gross, his shop and entire operations is making 5X50 (two weeks vacation, right?) 200 boards a year. lets say he sells each board for 1900, we will multiply 2000 by 200 and his is business is making 400000 dollars a year. now take out shop rent, supplies, and paying his employees, all three of them, and tyler is still making a very good amount of money. a lot more then most people in the middle class. and claiming that tyler can make a double 8 0z volan longboard stronger than anderson and aquatech with teh same blanks and materials is just not right. or at least the results would be so small they would be insignificant, IF it could even happen. and andersons with double 8 oz volan clear start at 850. thats half the price. half the price. half the price. see ya. Click to expand... why do some people have such a problem with craftspeople getting paid their dues? do you ride a surfoplane from sears or somewhere? - it floats and you can ride it |
| 9987 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 52 | johnxyz | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T03:00:59-0400 | You know its funny - if Tyler H. was simply a hobbyist shaper (re: backyard builder/garage hack) well we would probably have some difficulty w/. $2,000 to $2,500 asking price per board. But Tyler is seen as one of the best (if not THE best ) longboard shaper in the world. Now I realize surfing is a very small niche - but the best of anything has to have significant value in any culture. Flowrider - you're just plain mis-directed on this one. Believe me I wish I could get a new 10' Tyler with a fancy resin job for $750 complete - ain't gonna happen. What do you think the fees of the top cardiologists on staff at the Cleveland Clinic or Johns Hopkins Hospital get for a bypass surgery? Silly, extreme example but you get my point.... |
| 9988 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 53 | chicksav | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T03:12:06-0400 | No John, He does not get your point. I think that is clear. Maybee hes upset because he can't afford it, or he really believes what he is saying as missinformed as he is. I run my own buisness and have for several years. I know the price of doing buisness and for the quality of work Tyler does his boards are fairly priced. A Bing Dn Noseridder is easilly 1300, so a Tyler non craftsman is the same price, fair enough. Flow has probably never had a true custom anything made by a top craftsman. Try having some custom furniture made sometime flow. See how cheap it is. You don't own a Tyler (you do own a surfboard though right flow?) , you've never surfed one, I am not sure if you've ever seen one in person so....sit down....just sit down. Let the adults talk about the subtelties of a Tyler surfboard and you go sit at the kiddy table. Your done. |
| 9989 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 54 | g-coast | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T03:17:46-0400 | WOW!:shock: |
| 9990 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 55 | pierpont-scott | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T03:22:33-0400 | ha ha |
| 9991 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 56 | g-coast | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T03:23:54-0400 | I suddenly hear "TAPS" playing....... |
| 9993 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 57 | NJ Longboarder | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T04:12:41-0400 | chicksav wrote: go sit at the kiddy table. Click to expand... HA!. Gotta luv the kiddy table. The kiddy table is the coolest. I always get sent there. |
| 9996 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 58 | KonaKat | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T04:32:24-0400 | :shock: Try spending 33,000$$$$ on a board!!!! This should make everyone appreciate good craftsmanship!! http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Number=1227157 What I wouldn't give for one of those old wood boards! |
| 9997 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 59 | chicksav | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T04:49:55-0400 | Hey! It only cost 300$ to make that board!!!!!! |
| 9998 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 60 | Silk123 | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T05:01:20-0400 | so he spends 300 dollars on supplies. he makes 5 boards a week. he has another guy in there working with him, and a few groms running the shop. so just talking gross, his shop and entire operations is making 5X50 (two weeks vacation, right?) 200 boards a year. lets say he sells each board for 1900, we will multiply 2000 by 200 and his is business is making 400000 dollars a year. now take out shop rent, supplies, and paying his employees, all three of them, and tyler is still making a very good amount of money. a lot more then most people in the middle class. Click to expand... taxes - take out a 3rd of the gross income (at least) |
| 9999 | 132 | Tyler Mini Zeke | 61 | creoque? | Jul 26, 2007 | 2007-07-26T05:18:15-0400 | aslbuck wrote: gotta agree with you on this one scottie. this guy clearly doesn't know his elbow from his ass on this one. do a little research "flowrider" then get back to us. or rather, do a lot of research, you need the brushing up. find a wealthy shaper and you just found a shaper with secondary income or old family money. Click to expand... ditto....haven't seen any wealthy shapers...especially new generation that rely solely on boardshaping as an income...... |
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