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39810 462 A few years ago, this posted... 72 SuperKool Jun 20, 2012 2012-06-20T06:55:20-0400 PaulJensen wrote: Bigger Boards It’s hard to NOT come to the conclusion that nearly all longboard surfers these days are just dressing up in the same old, tired costume. Their boards are so generic, so retro, so focused on cosmetics, so unimaginative, so truly NOT custom. Not that they realize this of course. What the average Joe is riding is so disheartening. In many ways it’s only hurting them, but at least they don’t know it, proof that God is kind. So, what is the problem? An insightful friend pointed out to me that most surfers today have some sort of ‘X’ length formula burned into their brain. It states something to the effect that they feel ‘OK’ about riding a 9-0 at age 35. It’s safe, not too prone to ridicule…All based on what the ‘culture’ tells them is OK. At age 40, they compensate upwards to a 9-6, and continue upward. Just add 4” for every birthday over 40. This is the most basic situation in the ever-aging surfing population. And even with that being the case, do you EVER see anything different for this huge mass of surfers? Never. What is culturally acceptable, not personally interesting, is what determines personal board choice. If you step outside this culturally accepted ‘norm’, watch out. What? A guy with something different? Take your average aging surfer, liking longer boards but not really having the skills to ride like David N. on the nose. I fall into that category. I love the glide and trim of longer boards, but I’ve never hung ten, rarely five. How about you? Anyone else want to raise their hand? So, why is it? There are few forward thinkers in the surfing world, maybe even less so in the ranks of your common shaper. Unimaginative shapers, all replicating someone else’s tired ideas from 10-30 years ago. If left to the shapers out there, your average 45 year old will be riding the same board in 2045 as he is today. If the surf culture en masse started experimenting, the average guy’s surfing would improve. So too, would shapers be forced to begin a sort of design quest, and you might have 500 shapers making improvements and contributions. Read any sailing magazine and realize how skilled and educated even your basic boat designer is, and the difference between him and a surfboard shaper is almost cosmic in the distance between the two. Look at all the truly innovative boat hulls coming out, and witness an industry that is truly led by change, and willing to move forward and try new things. There’s little that’s even close in the surfing industry. There is the shapes themselves are about as refined as they’re ever going to get. Back to the ‘challenge’. For me, over the years, after experiencing that feeling of ‘the glide’, I fell in love with it. The sensation of being so in trim, not outrunning, not falling behind the wave. Just locked in to the waves speed. Where I surf, we have a lot of beach breaks. When the seasons change from summer to fall we get a lot of swell. Combine that with some stiff offshore winds, and you have excellent conditions. One of the drawbacks to those conditions is the expanded playing field. Paddling power is paramount to getting good waves, with shifting peaks up and down, inshore and out. Shortboarders sit inside, duckdive and get quick rides. That’s fine if you like to duckdive and get quick rides. With a more powerful paddling board, I have the vehicle in which to sit 50 â€"75 yards outside and get in the waves way early. I’m able to catch a cresting unbroken wave, drop in, set a line and speed, high and tight through where the shortboarders are and fly way further down the line, due to the speed achieved from a longer set up area. Ride fast and kick out and use the paddling advantage again to get back outside before the next waves catch you inside. The key is paddling speed. How can you ride one and NOT see the benefits of it all? The “average” longboard has just too much width in the nose and middle. On waves with some juice, that width just gets in the way…If you’re not gonna really ride the nose, why have that width. It just doesn’t fit the waves as well as something more streamlined. The board I’m riding I shaped a few years ago. It sat mostly unridden for a long time. But I broke it out early this summer for some very clean, empty point waves in this region. That session has hooked me on the undeniable quality of the ride these boards offer. The more I ride it, the more it makes sense. I’m not talking about 17’ boards or anything in that range…Human scale here. What’s got me so stoked is a 12’ Surf/ Paddleboard. I envisioned a board that had the qualities of both genres, without compromising the better aspects of each. A tough balance, but do-able. Out of a custom cut Clark 12'3", I templated a narrow, fairly parallel outline. Maximum width 20”. The maximum thickness is 3.75”. I shaped a typical paddle board entry, rolled vee for the first two feet or so, running to a gentle belly roll for a few more feet (we are talking lots of board) and ending in a harder edged pulled in round tail, with a flat vee panel running up about three feet from the tail. Single fin box, thank you. The key to combining the best of both aspects of paddle / surf, is having a generously domed deck to carry the thickness, and a bottom with moderate belly that rolls out to a rail that’ll still wrap water and hold in. A full length chine can add some more bite if you need that. The rolled bottom and the large flat vee panel keep it loose rail to rail. The boards length precludes most sudden direction changes, but the early entry, and the speed available through that, allow plenty of set up time for what’s ahead. With practice some mind bending right go left ( and visa/versa) takeoffs are achievable and repeatable. It is a great riding board, it can get around falling sections and of course has a lot of drive (what would you expect from 12’ of rail). Besides, you can catch a ripple with it. Finally, because of their stubbornness to expand their minds, other surfers might look at my board and laugh, think I’m a wannabe big wave hero, and misunderstand the principles behind the design choice. Yet at the end of the day my wave count is almost always higher. And I guarantee that I’m the one smiling when I leave the water. You can argue it is all fun, and it all works, but it is a lot more fun when you catch more waves and at this age that is all I really want to do. Some might figure that I ‘went big’ to compensate for my age, when in fact that has never figured into my formula. My fitness level is well above average for my years. I’ve got witnesses.My inherent surfing skills are about as refined as they are ever going to be (realistically, I've passed the peak of my inherent refined surfing skills, and at this point of my life it’s mostly refinement). As has been said before "If you can't out surf ‘em, out think ‘em." CAUTION: Anyone with such a powerful wave catcher MUST NOT over use such an effective tool in even moderately crowded conditions. It’s just not cool to be a wave hog. Instead, smile, encourage and share. Click to expand... Welcome to the forum Paul, this is pretty much what it's like these days. ...but I can see where they're coming from. I don't ride 9'-9'6" noseriders to be unique or cutting edge, for me it is merely carrying on a beautiful tradition. Up here in the PNW small clean walled up beachbreak peaks are rarer than I'd prefer but in santa cruz or socal most of the time the waves are better suited for the traditional noseriding boards and style than any other imo (better than hopping mush on a thruster, right?). Down there the average joe does get fives and tens if he puts some time into it, I mean hell they get small clean waves 200-300 days a year. I figure the nature of the waves in the surfing hotspots in cali had a lot to do with the shapes of the traditional boards that were developed there as well as their fixation on noseriding (of which I am a big fan, and yes I can hang five or ten given the right conditions). 9'-9"6" longboards are imo, for the average sized surfer, the best combo of noseridability while still retaining some ability to turn, which you have do do once and a while even at the bu. Since I got an 8'2" fineline mz that I could get legit 10s on I've been leaning more toward shorter boards than I used to ride (from 9'6"-9'8" to 8'-9'4"). I'm personally not convinced that going over 9'8" or so makes a board any easier to noseride for me but for bigger guys it makes sense. But, alas, you're talking glide, not noseriding. When I think of glide I think of the skipper and for all sorts of perfect to not so perfect waves I think it's a cool way to look at surfing, more middle of the board trimming (stylishly of course)...but idk if that's really any less old, tired, and unimaginative than noseriding really (older and tireder actually). I'm personally not a big fan of the guys that ride huge boards with little to no maneuverability that sit on the outside and grab every set wave before anyone else has the chance but it sounds like you practice some restraint and I'd imagine you surf plenty of days where crowds aren't a problem. Get several guys with the bigger board attitude at a crowded peak though and they're just as bad as SUP's. I can dig your paddleboard trip but all in all it's not too far from roy's olo philosophy. I appreciate you sharing your perspective but shortboarders get some pretty long waves sometimes too and imo they do a lot more with them a lot closer to the curl than most long or longerboarders, myself included. Much of what you said stands pretty true in the PNW but things are much different in cali...your paddleboard philosophy may not be so warmly welcomed on a crowded day at rincon...but I can see where you're coming from if you mostly surf up here and mad props for charging the big stuff...I'm over it lol, probably moving to the cruz soon to join the ranks of the lemmings lol. You did kinda come across as the quintessential jaded PNW surfer, which is so core right now, just don't judge the whole surf world because of what you see in PNW lineups and surf mags.