post_id,thread_id,thread_title,post_number,author_username,post_date,post_date_iso,post_body 153549,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),1,Macilious,"Jul 31, 2019",2019-07-31T09:52:14-0400,"None of us like rules, but just few to keep it wholesome! You JBers are an awesome bunch of feckkers! Let's have some fun with this, see what our JBers are shaping and support their craft. If you see someone doing something you like - TELL THEM! BUY A BOARD or T shirt or whatever. We have a forum into the minds of some amazing craftsman here.... 1) Be NICE! People are putting themselves out there and spending time and money to create things and submitting it for your enjoyment. RESPECT THAT! 2) Keep it to boards or whatever you created. If people want to show Handplanes or other surf craft... I'm cool with it. 3) Keep anything you are selling/salesy in the FOR SALE forum (out of respect for forum rules). I am happy to have anyone and everyone that shapes post things here! I think the mix of pros and avg Joes will be a lot of fun. But let's keep it fun and supportive. So let's see it you talented bastards!" 153556,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),2,JBorbone,"Jul 31, 2019",2019-07-31T11:07:55-0400,"@rootdown lets see that bonzer again! Maybe some shots of the tail concaves? Something important to keep in mind with bonzer (or honestly any board for that matter) fin placement... it's not a standard rule/metric across all boards of the same design. Tail width, amount of rocker, amount of V, and style of riding you want to evoke all reallllllllly really matter. Many times, those ""vets"" on Sways will tell you it's black and white.. but from a scientific perspective it's not. Like adding/moving/removing a dorsal wing to an airplane. ""call me crazy"" but recently I've been doing 0 degrees of toe on my bonzers, and only 18 degrees of cant. more drive, and for east coast hollow waves that you'd want to ride a bonzer in, isn't that all you really care about? I'm not selling bonzers to Alex Knost to do vertical turns on in perfect Mexican pointbreaks, I'm selling to weekend warriors on the east coast.. try to post a picture with it under your shadow-boxes so that we can see how far off the rails your channels start/end." 153557,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),3,rootdown,"Jul 31, 2019",2019-07-31T11:09:40-0400,"OK moving it over here. I am a true backyard guy, with absolutely no interest in making this my profession. I just love surfboards. Ive made around 40 boards, and ive been honing in my midlength designs. Branching out from my normal single fin designs my latest projects are a 7'2 round tail quad speed egg and a 7'1 bonzer 3 diamond tail Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 153559,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),4,JBorbone,"Jul 31, 2019",2019-07-31T11:13:14-0400,"rootdown said: OK moving it over here. I am a true backyard guy, with absolutely no interest in making this my profession. I just love surfboards. Ive made around 40 boards, and ive been honing in my midlength designs. Branching out from my normal single fin designs my latest projects are a 7'2 round tail quad speed egg and a 7'1 bonzer 3 diamond tail View attachment 12784 View attachment 12785 View attachment 12786 Click to expand... honestly that looks pretty spot on.. the length of the fins makes the angle look dramatic but i think it's great assuming your single concace exits into the entry of the runners and the deep spiral V begins at the leading edge of the center fin, then it'll work great!" 153562,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),5,rootdown,"Jul 31, 2019",2019-07-31T11:23:41-0400,"JBorbone said: @rootdown lets see that bonzer again! Maybe some shots of the tail concaves? Something important to keep in mind with bonzer (or honestly any board for that matter) fin placement... it's not a standard rule/metric across all boards of the same design. Tail width, amount of rocker, amount of V, and style of riding you want to evoke all reallllllllly really matter. Many times, those ""vets"" on Sways will tell you it's black and white.. but from a scientific perspective it's not. Like adding/moving/removing a dorsal wing to an airplane. ""call me crazy"" but recently I've been doing 0 degrees of toe on my bonzers, and only 18 degrees of cant. more drive, and for east coast hollow waves that you'd want to ride a bonzer in, isn't that all you really care about? I'm not selling bonzers to Alex Knost to do vertical turns on in perfect Mexican pointbreaks, I'm selling to weekend warriors on the east coast.. try to post a picture with it under your shadow-boxes so that we can see how far off the rails your channels start/end. Click to expand... thanks for the input. you dont find it too stiff with all that fin base going strait ahead? I dont normally ride hollow beach breaks and tend to surf our reefs that require multiple cutbacks to stay in the pocket. and i love the way the bonzer feels on a cutback. but Id like this to work on an average Rhode Island day. its almost 3 inches thick and dont plan on going super thin on the rails. I am keeping the tail rocker fairly low, about 2 1/4 at the stringer and the concaves arent that deep, probably under a 1/4"" by the fins, and plenty of V off the tail. I'll take a photo later." 153629,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),6,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 1, 2019",2019-08-01T14:53:07-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Macilious said: None of us like rules, but just few to keep it wholesome! You JBers are an awesome bunch of feckkers! Let's have some fun with this, see what our JBers are shaping and support their craft. If you see someone doing something you like - TELL THEM! BUY A BOARD or T shirt or whatever. We have a forum into the minds of some amazing craftsman here.... 1) Be NICE! People are putting themselves out there and spending time and money to create things and submitting it for your enjoyment. RESPECT THAT! 2) Keep it to boards or whatever you created. If people want to show Handplanes or other surf craft... I'm cool with it. 3) Keep anything you are selling/salesy in the FOR SALE forum (out of respect for forum rules). I am happy to have anyone and everyone that shapes post things here! I think the mix of pros and avg Joes will be a lot of fun. But let's keep it fun and supportive. So let's see it you talented bastards! Click to expand... Okay, so that being said, NOTHING BEING POSTED HERE IS SUGGESTING YOU BUY IT. Don't even read this if you are gonna have a stick up your.......... I'm considered a ""pro"" but I do shape in my garage at home. Yes I have had shops, but those days are gone & I'm happy to sub out the work to people I trust. FWIW, I can build a board start to finish with the best of them. 50+ years sorta does that for ya. I appreciate the guys that have shaped 3, 30, 300 or 3,000 boards. They are keeping the craft alive. That's note easy these days, and there aren't that many of us left in the 30K+ club. In my book, Stoke is Stoke, no matter how many you've shaped. I support others shapers............ the newbies present fresh perspectives and I find some of the old guys are more likely to stab you in the back. :-( Okay............ so with all those disclaimers, hopefully I won't get reamed for posting what I'm currently working on. I think it's out of the norm and really fun to be exploring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to advance the art of designing surfboards? Have excellent riders that can chase swells across the globe testing the new stuff you put under their gifted feet. Case in point, we are powering out 2 new sleds for Brand Ambassador, Derek Thomas so he can hop a plane Sunday to meet up with a 6-10 ft. swell in Oaxaca. He will test a 6'10"" Stinger, a 6'6"" New Machine & he's bringing along his twinny for good measure. THE STINGER is the one I'm keen on collecting DATA. I just spoke to Cole @ Futures & he's getting me this group of fins by tomorrow to test on Da Sting. How often does a designer get a chance to collect this much info on a design down at his local beach??? LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY! :-O Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 153633,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),7,JBorbone,"Aug 1, 2019",2019-08-01T15:18:39-0400,"Bruce Fowler said: View attachment 12809 View attachment 12810 View attachment 12811 Okay, so that being said, NOTHING BEING POSTED HERE IS SUGGESTING YOU BUY IT. Don't even read this if you are gonna have a stick up your.......... I'm considered a ""pro"" but I do shape in my garage at home. Yes I have had shops, but those days are gone & I'm happy to sub out the work to people I trust. FWIW, I can build a board start to finish with the best of them. 50+ years sorta does that for ya. I appreciate the guys that have shaped 3, 30, 300 or 3,000 boards. They are keeping the craft alive. That's note easy these days, and there aren't that many of us left in the 30K+ club. In my book, Stoke is Stoke, no matter how many you've shaped. I support others shapers............ the newbies present fresh perspectives and I find some of the old guys are more likely to stab you in the back. :-( Okay............ so with all those disclaimers, hopefully I won't get reamed for posting what I'm currently working on. I think it's out of the norm and really fun to be exploring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to advance the art of designing surfboards? Have excellent riders that can chase swells across the globe testing the new stuff you put under their gifted feet. Case in point, we are powering out 2 new sleds for Brand Ambassador, Derek Thomas so he can hop a plane Sunday to meet up with a 6-10 ft. swell in Oaxaca. He will test a 6'10"" Stinger, a 6'6"" New Machine & he's bringing along his twinny for good measure. THE STINGER is the one I'm keen on collecting DATA. I just spoke to Cole @ Futures & he's getting me this group of fins by tomorrow to test on Da Sting. How often does a designer get a chance to collect this much info on a design down at his local beach??? LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY! :-O View attachment 12805 View attachment 12806 View attachment 12807 View attachment 12808 Click to expand... Wow that incut looks to be super far off the tail! Very AIPA, very cool. Any reason you seem to prefer Futures or do you just have a good relationship with them? I find their ""fit"" in the box to be a bit inconsistent. Also, those almost look like machine grooves on your blank, but the outline isn't cut yet. Are you using the machine to just ""profile"" the raw blank to work rocker and concave in, then cut the outline by hand afterwards? I remember seeing those profiling machine in old videos of Greg Noll shaping boards in the 60s and this image made me think of that." 153635,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),8,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 1, 2019",2019-08-01T15:48:21-0400,"The blank is milled from a file I have of a different model. Actually I've used that same file as a base to make 12-15 different shapes. This blank had the volume allowing me to do the stinger/sting planshape and enough foam to handshape the needed deck & bottom rocker into this particular board. We're in a 'hurry up offense' to make the board & get it to Mex to be tested in this swell hitting Monday. Futures has been pretty reliable for me. Some grub screw stripping here n there with their boxes, but nothing outrageous. Their extracting tool is handy to have & I think it costs about $10. I use FCS Fusion as an alternative, and they are reliable, lightweight & easy to install. I haven't used their X2 plugs in close to ten years - flawed design in my book. Maybe I've been lucky with the single fins I've gotten from them. I buy a LOT of Greenough Fins from Chuck @ True Ames. I've known him forever. Stingers historically have the wing aka sting far up the board in more of the board's body. You will find (that) the further you place a wing forward in a surfboard's outline, the shorter radius it can turn. Wings/Stings serve as a Pivot Point wherever they break/interrupt the Planshape/Outline. This particular board has a Vee in the Nose followed with light single concave feeding into a double barrel concave. The deepest part of the Vee is placed forward closer to the Sting cuts then lessens in depth of Vee to a flat bottom at the tailblock. Photos to come........ let's pray the swell materializes the way it has been forecasted! Footnote: Stings/Stingers were historically single fin boards. I have an extra long 15"" fin box going into this one 7"" up from the tail, allowing the center fins to be pushed well forward. The front of the box is 22"" up. It has a 4+1 set up, so we can explore a variety of fin configurations. Aipa named his design, ""Sting"" not ""Stingers"" -common misconception." 153644,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),9,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 1, 2019",2019-08-01T16:26:37-0400,"This is one I did a few years ago for Aviator Nation. The new one will be 4+1 w/long box and has a more intense bottom. Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 153650,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),10,Surfnfish,"Aug 1, 2019",2019-08-01T18:15:18-0400,"one of my poker cronies is from the Napoleon family on Kaui, every time I visit him, gotta stop and admire his old Aipa stinger... Image processing. Refresh page to view" 153659,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),11,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 1, 2019",2019-08-01T19:51:04-0400,"Ben developed a board that Larry, Buttons & Liddell could rip Kaiser Bowl with. A turn, a quick tube ride, cutback & you were out. The Sting fit the bill perfectly, but then the boyz took it elsewhere & turned heads. Buttons especially ran counter to the grain of the pack, he was ahead of the game by years. Buttons was to surfing what Jimi Hendrix was to music. Both stars shone brightly for too short a time for us." 153684,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),12,shapewright,"Aug 2, 2019",2019-08-02T05:28:34-0400,"Bruce Fowler said: View attachment 12812 View attachment 12809 View attachment 12810 View attachment 12811 Okay, so that being said, NOTHING BEING POSTED HERE IS SUGGESTING YOU BUY IT. Don't even read this if you are gonna have a stick up your.......... I'm considered a ""pro"" but I do shape in my garage at home. Yes I have had shops, but those days are gone & I'm happy to sub out the work to people I trust. FWIW, I can build a board start to finish with the best of them. 50+ years sorta does that for ya. I appreciate the guys that have shaped 3, 30, 300 or 3,000 boards. They are keeping the craft alive. That's note easy these days, and there aren't that many of us left in the 30K+ club. In my book, Stoke is Stoke, no matter how many you've shaped. I support others shapers............ the newbies present fresh perspectives and I find some of the old guys are more likely to stab you in the back. :-( Okay............ so with all those disclaimers, hopefully I won't get reamed for posting what I'm currently working on. I think it's out of the norm and really fun to be exploring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ How to advance the art of designing surfboards? Have excellent riders that can chase swells across the globe testing the new stuff you put under their gifted feet. Case in point, we are powering out 2 new sleds for Brand Ambassador, Derek Thomas so he can hop a plane Sunday to meet up with a 6-10 ft. swell in Oaxaca. He will test a 6'10"" Stinger, a 6'6"" New Machine & he's bringing along his twinny for good measure. THE STINGER is the one I'm keen on collecting DATA. I just spoke to Cole @ Futures & he's getting me this group of fins by tomorrow to test on Da Sting. How often does a designer get a chance to collect this much info on a design down at his local beach??? LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET OUT OF THE WAY! :-O View attachment 12805 View attachment 12806 View attachment 12807 View attachment 12808 Click to expand... You were paying attention in algebra class. Made me regret that I hadn't, but for scaling boards up and down it is a must for finding the ratios for length and width." 153700,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),13,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 2, 2019",2019-08-02T10:43:53-0400,"shapewright said: You were paying attention in algebra class. Made me regret that I hadn't, but for scaling boards up and down it is a must for finding the ratios for length and width. Click to expand... Esp. when looking at fins placement difference from a 7'6 Big Guy Tri to a Menehune sled." 153701,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),14,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 2, 2019",2019-08-02T11:11:21-0400,"JBorbone said: @rootdown lets see that bonzer again! Maybe some shots of the tail concaves? Something important to keep in mind with bonzer (or honestly any board for that matter) fin placement... it's not a standard rule/metric across all boards of the same design. Tail width, amount of rocker, amount of V, and style of riding you want to evoke all reallllllllly really matter. Many times, those ""vets"" on Sways will tell you it's black and white.. but from a scientific perspective it's not. Like adding/moving/removing a dorsal wing to an airplane. ""call me crazy"" but recently I've been doing 0 degrees of toe on my bonzers, and only 18 degrees of cant. more drive, and for east coast hollow waves that you'd want to ride a bonzer in, isn't that all you really care about? I'm not selling bonzers to Alex Knost to do vertical turns on in perfect Mexican pointbreaks, I'm selling to weekend warriors on the east coast.. try to post a picture with it under your shadow-boxes so that we can see how far off the rails your channels start/end. Click to expand... The Proof is in trying things outside of the box. You're definitely right: more vertical fins have more drive as do no toe in. However conventional shape flat foiled inside fins derive their drive from tracking. In the 80's I did a LOT of experimentation while producing a lot of sailboards. This extensive R&D consciousness spilled over to the surfboards we were building. We had our own in house fin production, and this was a fin foil I built for surfboards, also with NO TOE IN. This foil does not track with parallel to the stringer placement (aka no toe in). Definition. A parabola is a curve where any point is at an equal distance from: a fixed point (the focus ), and. a fixed straight line (the directrix )" 153735,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),15,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 3, 2019",2019-08-03T00:36:47-0400,"Sleds for Derek's run to Oaxaca are done. I ordered fins from Futures but they may not get here tomorrow until I've run out of time & have to put the boards on Amtrak to Anaheim for him to p/u. He's flying out early Sunday. I've pulled from my inventory & we shall see how some of these go. I'm especially keen on seeing what the Greenough High Speed Volan fin will do in the Stinger. Push it all the way forward, and have at it. For a shallower fin but higher area base, the 7.0"" Bonzer may offer up a good ride with sidebiters. The Carbon Quad set made in molded carbon & recycled fishing net collected from the ocean may be worth a try if he is racing long lined up screamers. Quads R Quick! If the other fins don't make it, then we will go with these & whatever else I fish up before running to the train station. It's FIESTA in SB right now, so traffic & the whole area down around Amrtrak Station is a total zoo! The boards are glassed with UV Resin, S & Warp Glass. Double glassed on the bottom. I'm surprised how light they still feel. Leave it to Hawk & the crew. To be continued. Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 153741,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),16,Driftwood,"Aug 3, 2019",2019-08-03T09:43:54-0400,"Bruce, 1) that is a hot looking fin! and 2) Glad to see you working on stingers. I haven't shaped one in a while but got turned on to a friend's mid seventies G&S and then went through phase building a few and riding vintage ones when I could find them. I think that a well conceived mid-lenghth (for my build, that's 7' to say 7'5"""") stinger can be such an incredibly fun board to surf in a variety of conditions. Flat to vee, old school rails, bit of a beak and lowish moderate rocker. Was building them in eps/epoxy and just loving the combination of front-foot speed and drive and using the tail to carve pretty heavy turns. Glorious at times. This may have been the best of the bunch. Wings and box pretty far up. Despite my lack of sophistication, this was one fun board. Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 153743,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),17,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 3, 2019",2019-08-03T10:49:03-0400,"Nice! I like your surfing description as it describes Derek's style to a T. Props for the curve you kept behind the stings, mine is a bit less curve than I'd like, but only by a red hair or so. ....agree with the beak too....that was the flavor of the times, and they look good with the design. Thanks for sharing!!!" 153807,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),18,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 4, 2019",2019-08-04T12:18:12-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Derek was nervous about the boards getting on the train to him in time. He started sounding like a Nervous Nelly, so I told him instead of waiting for the fins being sent from Futures, I'd make the trek form my house in Solvang to SBA earlier and see if they could get on the 12:49 to Anaheim. The main crush of FIESTA was over, and I timed it right to miss throngs of tourists & travelers at the station. The Amtrak folks are used to me coming in with all these boards being sent, except for one who insisted I could not put two surfboards in one bag. I had every contingency covered, and went to get a 2nd bag I had in the car - just in case ... I got to the car then I hear one of the Amtrak people tell me ""it's okay, forget the other bag, we can do it, she didn't realize you're a manufacturer shipping, you're not traveling with them"". Good, I think, becuz they are packed in there ready for airline abuse anyway. They made the 12:49 due to arrive 4:46. Later that afternoon I start getting texts from ""Nervous Nel"": ""I can't find the number for Amtrak"" ""Anywhere - all seemed closed"" ""Don't see it on the receipt & all numbers online are closed on Saturday"" ""Will they let me know if it has arrived"" ""Heading there now. Praying someone is there."" I'm reading all these texts thinking: geez Mr. Star Surfer aka Brand Ambassador, we've done this drill b4, Amtrak WILL CALL YOU - remember. There is NO TRACKING - they calllllllllllll you.... And then.............. ""All good, Amtrak just called - yew"". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So the next time I chime in, I hope it is with killer pix from the shutterbug guys lined up that are snapping pix of DT doing big square bottom turns out on the flat on Da Sting ala Bertlemann, Buttons, or Mr. Barry Kanaiapuni - that would make all this burning midnight oil in the shaping room, driving 80 miles round trip to the glasser, packing and drive 80 miles to Amtrak........... well, you get the picture.............. and hopefully I get some too. P.S. JUST TEXTED HIM and he replied ""I'm on the runway.... why?"" I just replied: HAVE FUN R-E-L-A-X...!!!!! P.P.S. The fins from Futures arrived a few minutes after I left for Amtrak." 153810,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),19,Driftwood,"Aug 4, 2019",2019-08-04T13:09:39-0400,"Bruce Fowler said: Nice! I like your surfing description as it describes Derek's style to a T. Props for the curve you kept behind the stings, mine is a bit less curve than I'd like, but only by a red hair or so. ....agree with the beak too....that was the flavor of the times, and they look good with the design. Thanks for sharing!!! Click to expand... Thanks, Bruce. In terms of ridability, I liked keeping a bit of curve behind the wings - getting it all to flow in terms of functional lines and esthetics was a lot of the challenge. Then you get into wing depth, raised or not, fluted... as you know! Underestimated shapes in my opinion." 153813,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),20,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 4, 2019",2019-08-04T15:27:10-0400,"So true. From your tail shot it looks like you've got the flat deck Brewerish rail and beak of the 70's. Really cool Island style ethos. The wedge stringer is da kine too! It's always fun talking story brah." 153937,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),21,Macilious,"Aug 6, 2019",2019-08-06T04:50:44-0400,"Driftwood - that board looks great and Bruce is right, you totally captured the ""vibe"" with the beak and tiger stripe. Bruce that stinger looks pretty great. I have always been a fan of the Aipa Stinger, glad to see you are putting some Stingers out there too!" 153968,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),22,JBorbone,"Aug 6, 2019",2019-08-06T11:49:38-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view @rootdown just started another bonzer for a customer in Maine last night. Shaped the V into the tail while skinning opposed to while turning the rails. Felt faster this way. Still obviously very early stages of the shape, only after about 75 minutes of work" 154078,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),23,rootdown,"Aug 7, 2019",2019-08-07T10:31:29-0400,"JBorbone said: View attachment 12904 @rootdown just started another bonzer for a customer in Maine last night. Shaped the V into the tail while skinning opposed to while turning the rails. Felt faster this way. Still obviously very early stages of the shape, only after about 75 minutes of work Click to expand... looks great. did you just make extra/ deeper cuts along the rails? how far forward do you like to take your V? I shaped the v in only behind the fins as i was putting in the doubles. havent had a chance to spend time shaping -this one might take me a while." 154082,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),24,JBorbone,"Aug 7, 2019",2019-08-07T11:06:29-0400,"rootdown said: looks great. did you just make extra/ deeper cuts along the rails? how far forward do you like to take your V? I shaped the v in only behind the fins as i was putting in the doubles. havent had a chance to spend time shaping -this one might take me a while. Click to expand... I have a ""weird"" technique that lends to my boards to having a unique feel, so DEFINITELY don't take my advice as ""legit"" in terms of how much V a bonzer ""should"" have... but I actually stretch my V almost all the way up (from tail to nose) blending into a light roll. once it's all even i shape out the center of the roll to add contours based on the shape. So basically, they all start life as a hull and finish elsewhere." 154156,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),25,SeniorGrom,"Aug 8, 2019",2019-08-08T10:59:48-0400,Very very nice. More please! 154159,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),26,JBorbone,"Aug 8, 2019",2019-08-08T11:17:39-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Last night I finished up the bonzer example above, ready for glass. Ordered by a guy named Rob up in Maine, sounds like a super nice guy! Rootdown you can see what I mean about working the bottom contours in after blending the V and roll." 154169,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),27,Artz,"Aug 8, 2019",2019-08-08T13:07:31-0400,That some very serious Bottom work. Will this be 3 or 5 fin Bonzer fin Set? 154208,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),28,Bruce Fowler,"Aug 9, 2019",2019-08-08T22:07:42-0400,"JB.................... Yowza! That's some serious, uh, water manipulation going on. Love to see it after glass! So you're doing an ""Inny"" and today I did up an ""Outty""............. this one is 8'0""x22-1/4""x3"" Round Bottom under the rider's stance and offering up a definite feeling of 'control from the cockpit"". Keep on Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Shaping!!!" 154226,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),29,rootdown,"Aug 9, 2019",2019-08-09T08:48:07-0400,"JBorbone said: View attachment 12930 Last night I finished up the bonzer example above, ready for glass. Ordered by a guy named Rob up in Maine, sounds like a super nice guy! Rootdown you can see what I mean about working the bottom contours in after blending the V and roll. Click to expand... interesting stuff. looks cool. looks like the concave narrows in the middle of the board? I always like to start with setting my rocker along the stringer first and then think about how i want my rail rocker line; tying together whether i am planning on concaves or belly." 154286,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),30,JBorbone,"Aug 10, 2019",2019-08-09T22:44:16-0400,"Bruce Fowler said: JB.................... Yowza! That's some serious, uh, water manipulation going on. Love to see it after glass! So you're doing an ""Inny"" and today I did up an ""Outty""............. this one is 8'0""x22-1/4""x3"" Round Bottom under the rider's stance and offering up a definite feeling of 'control from the cockpit"". Keep on View attachment 12939 View attachment 12940 Shaping!!! Click to expand... Thanks BF! Bottom looks way more aggressive under the shadowboxes than in person. Love that hull!! Very much like a V-Bowls and a Liddle ID had a baby. Super rad!!" 154287,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),31,JBorbone,"Aug 10, 2019",2019-08-09T22:46:14-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Pintail noserider I finished this AM, and 10ft glider I started tonight." 154570,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),32,Largoazul,"Aug 14, 2019",2019-08-13T22:21:06-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view started this project about a week ago and full into it. Have my shape roughed out with the planer. Need to finish sand. It took 13 pieces of redwood to get my 20.5 inch width. The length is 9' x15.75 x 14 tail. Next is to break apart and chamber. All in good fun." 154597,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),33,JBorbone,"Aug 14, 2019",2019-08-14T11:52:03-0400,"Largoazul said: View attachment 13049 View attachment 13049 View attachment 13050 View attachment 13051 View attachment 13052 started this project about a week ago and full into it. Have my shape roughed out with the planer. Need to finish sand. It took 13 pieces of redwood to get my 20.5 inch width. The length is 9' x15.75 x 14 tail. Next is to break apart and chamber. All in good fun. Click to expand... WOW!! dude that's amazing! how are you planning on breaking it apart without damaging anything?" 154604,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),34,Artz,"Aug 14, 2019",2019-08-14T13:13:57-0400,"One method is to screw the inside core together then lightly glue the outer boards that will form the rail line. Work a putty knife blade into the the glued outer boards they should open up then when the screws are exposed break out the screw gun and have at it. Learned that from a master shaper of chambered Balsa Boards in France. I don’t recall what glue he used. Maybe others will chime in." 154605,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),35,Largoazul,"Aug 14, 2019",2019-08-14T13:37:28-0400,When I glued up the wood I only spot glued so I would be able to break apart easier. 4 or 5 dabs per board. There is a little separation already happening on a couple boards already but it’s not bothering me much. Knowing what I know now I should have marked my plan shape before I glued to be more specific on where to put the glue to hold better.regarding the breaking apart I will fit a chisel into the seems and use a rubber mallet to separate. Hopefully that goes well. 154607,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),36,JBorbone,"Aug 14, 2019",2019-08-14T13:57:58-0400,"Largoazul said: When I glued up the wood I only spot glued so I would be able to break apart easier. 4 or 5 dabs per board. There is a little separation already happening on a couple boards already but it's not bothering me much. Knowing what I know now I should have marked my plan shape before I glued to be more specific on where to put the glue to hold better.regarding the breaking apart I will fit a chisel into the seems and use a rubber mallet to separate. Hopefully that goes well. Click to expand... fantastic! reminds me of an Eagle. great shape." 154662,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),37,ParSurf,"Aug 15, 2019",2019-08-15T00:23:52-0400,9-0 pig I really need to finish up. 154809,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),38,shapewright,"Aug 17, 2019",2019-08-17T13:03:14-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Can't overdo the spot glues, if it does come apart, just reglue. Occasionally I'll get one that doesn't want to come apart, a long bar clamp along the edge for leverage, ease it back and forth and it will go." 154810,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),39,shapewright,"Aug 17, 2019",2019-08-17T13:06:01-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Finished up a month in Portugal shaping at Wavegliders in Ericeria, here is a couple of the 30" 154813,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),40,Artz,"Aug 17, 2019",2019-08-17T14:12:22-0400,Jim are you enjoying Portugal? 154818,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),41,shapewright,"Aug 17, 2019",2019-08-17T16:04:00-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view My second summer coming to Ericeria, this area is super, the people of Portugal are friendly beyond belief. I did get s but overwhelmed by Cod fish planned as part of any meal, but in general the food rocks. I'm not much of a drinker, but Super Bock or Sagres with lunch each day. The surf spot in front of Nico's is the Portuguese Swami's, but everyone was calling this year the year of no summer. Did surf it 4 times OK, but not like it can get. I worked my tail off to do the Blanks I'd glued in California and sent in seabase' container to Wavegliders. I'm on to me time now in London, went to the Tate museum earlier and am about to go across the street to the pub for a pint. Above photo Ribera Il'has firing, but it was side shore with heavy winds nearly every day this year" 154831,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),42,Artz,"Aug 17, 2019",2019-08-17T19:20:45-0400,I’ll pick your Brain a bit. Portugal is no my list thinking something like maybe 90 days. 154832,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),43,Largoazul,"Aug 17, 2019",2019-08-17T19:31:41-0400,It broke apart somewhat easily. Just finished the chambering and glued everything up except for the rails which I’ll do tomorrow. Here’s a pic of right before I broke it all apart. Since I’m working outside i didn’t make a template. I just drew my lines and eyeballed. No issues. The foam was a bit harder to do without a bandsaw. I’m thinking of glassing 4 + 4 to keep it light. Have any thoughts on that? 155697,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),44,McQuad,"Aug 31, 2019",2019-08-31T09:17:35-0400,"Makin' Bacon. View attachment 092B4A50-41D4-4663-AE9E-7EDB122B0BA9.jpeg" 155706,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),45,mitch,"Aug 31, 2019",2019-08-31T13:00:59-0400,"Ive been riding primarily hulls (liddle, kj, fineline) the last few years and getting so much satisfaction out of the intentionality/discipline needed to surf these. Lately I’ve been super inspired by the greenough edge concept as it involves the same sort of properties but aren’t limited to just clean point breaks like my hulls (although in my experience they still seem to prefer it...or maybe that’s just me) I finally took a stab at one after much hesitation and am very happy with the result- I’m super novice, this is only board #9 so please forgive the tears/fin placement re-do’s/ marks. 6’0”x 21” x 2 1/2” twin, heavy greenough/Ellis ericson inspo. Belly entry/single concave into double thru the fins/flat out the tail." 156016,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),46,ParSurf,"Sep 6, 2019",2019-09-05T22:21:20-0400,"9-10 but actually 9-8 pintail/blunt nose piggish, wide point only -8. Really wanna give it a go but may need some convincing..." 156017,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),47,DJR,"Sep 6, 2019",2019-09-05T22:28:30-0400,"mitch44 said: Ive been riding primarily hulls (liddle, kj, fineline) the last few years and getting so much satisfaction out of the intentionality/discipline needed to surf these. Lately I've been super inspired by the greenough edge concept as it involves the same sort of properties but aren't limited to just clean point breaks like my hulls (although in my experience they still seem to prefer it...or maybe that's just me) I finally took a stab at one after much hesitation and am very happy with the result- I'm super novice, this is only board #9 so please forgive the tears/fin placement re-do's/ marks. 6'0""x 21"" x 2 1/2"" twin, heavy greenough/Ellis ericson inspo. Belly entry/single concave into double thru the fins/flat out the tail. Click to expand... Can't wait to see the final product and a ride report" 156021,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),48,Bruce Fowler,"Sep 6, 2019",2019-09-06T05:20:56-0400,"Largoazul said: It broke apart somewhat easily. Just finished the chambering and glued everything up except for the rails which I'll do tomorrow. Here's a pic of right before I broke it all apart. Since I'm working outside i didn't make a template. I just drew my lines and eyeballed. No issues. The foam was a bit harder to do without a bandsaw. I'm thinking of glassing 4 + 4 to keep it light. Have any thoughts on that? Click to expand... On the Ecuadorean Balsa builds we go with 4/4 deck and it's a non issue. The compressive strength is so good compared to your quality 2.0 lb foam. Most of what I've offered is double 4 oz. S Glass with a planet friendly epoxy........ a ""premium build"". The boards are ""keepers"" that people remark how good they feel as our intent was to make them a daily riding weight, not just some wall hanger. Balsa historically was the norm in Ecuador, with many beginner's first ride on a balsa board before quality polyurethane foam finally made its way to South America. I spend some time in Peru visiting Wayo Whilar in '79, and the ""Clark Foam"" supplier for S.A. was pretty shoddy. He had a world of good quality woods close at hand and all he offered back then was an archaic heavier foam density and plywood stringers that leaked resin from the bottom to the decks. Back then we were melting parafin wax to add to the lam resin to get a sanding coat. It was primitive to be sure. 1979. But my quiver of boards were ""pre sold"" at a premium price the day I got off the plane. Not a bad thing at all, especially considering I got a FREE plane ticket on AeroPeru as a ""Surfer Magazine"" correspondent doing an article on Surfing in Peru." 156036,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),49,DJR,"Sep 6, 2019",2019-09-06T13:30:22-0400,"shapewright said: View attachment 13112 View attachment 13111 My second summer coming to Ericeria, this area is super, the people of Portugal are friendly beyond belief. I did get s but overwhelmed by Cod fish planned as part of any meal, but in general the food rocks. I'm not much of a drinker, but Super Bock or Sagres with lunch each day. The surf spot in front of Nico's is the Portuguese Swami's, but everyone was calling this year the year of no summer. Did surf it 4 times OK, but not like it can get. I worked my tail off to do the Blanks I'd glued in California and sent in seabase' container to Wavegliders. I'm on to me time now in London, went to the Tate museum earlier and am about to go across the street to the pub for a pint. Above photo Ribera Il'has firing, but it was side shore with heavy winds nearly every day this year Click to expand... I love the Tate" 156136,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),50,Largoazul,"Sep 8, 2019",2019-09-08T13:14:48-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Just finished my gloss coat. redwood seems to be heavier than balsa. Being chambered it still feels like 40 pounds. I went 4oz deck 4 oz bottom to make it a rider. I used poly because I'm old school. I'm more concerned with making this a solid rider than a wall hanger. Bruce Fowler said: On the Ecuadorean Balsa builds we go with 4/4 deck and it's a non issue. The compressive strength is so good compared to your quality 2.0 lb foam. Most of what I've offered is double 4 oz. S Glass with a planet friendly epoxy........ a ""premium build"". The boards are ""keepers"" that people remark how good they feel as our intent was to make them a daily riding weight, not just some wall hanger. Balsa historically was the norm in Ecuador, with many beginner's first ride on a balsa board before quality polyurethane foam finally made its way to South America. I spend some time in Peru visiting Wayo Whilar in '79, and the ""Clark Foam"" supplier for S.A. was pretty shoddy. He had a world of good quality woods close at hand and all he offered back then was an archaic heavier foam density and plywood stringers that leaked resin from the bottom to the decks. Back then we were melting parafin wax to add to the lam resin to get a sanding coat. It was primitive to be sure. 1979. But my quiver of boards were ""pre sold"" at a premium price the day I got off the plane. Not a bad thing at all, especially considering I got a FREE plane ticket on AeroPeru as a ""Surfer Magazine"" correspondent doing an article on Surfing in Peru. Click to expand..." 156148,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),51,Driftwood,"Sep 8, 2019",2019-09-08T15:33:31-0400,"Please don't take this as unnecessary criticism, I dig on what you're doing. A really cool project you've got there. But in the future you may want to reconsider epoxy for your wood builds. There's a reason why nearly all the wooden boat guys went over to epoxy, and it sure isn't for cost savings! It simply adheres better to wood - expecially in applications where the wood is going to flex- which as a rider it will. I do 4+4 deck, 4 bottom on most of my balsa builds and never have issues with delam or solidity. That being said, there are wood/poly riders out there that have been going for years. I just had a bad experience with a balsa delam a few years ago and never looked back." 156161,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),52,dingpatch,"Sep 8, 2019",2019-09-08T18:36:31-0400,"Driftwood brings forth a very relevant point, , , , In my beginning fin making days I always had ""trouble"" using poly on various woods. Not all woods but, mostly the ones that you'd say are ""the best looking"", etc. Glass this morning, looks OK this afternoon but, tomorrow morning, , , , What The Heck !!! They would look like they were delaminating here-and-there. Did some internet research that led me to boat builder forums. One guy was asking about using poly on some marine ply in his old wooden ski boat. The one notable reply simply said ""NO"", about a hundred times, in bold 20 point!!! Another guy responded with ""the only thing poly resin sticks to is poly resin"". Further research revealed that it was a matter of chemistry. It is/was not a matter of the wood having too much oil/sap in it. The problem is that the chemistry of the wood has a lot of phenols in it; the stuff that gives your smoking wood its smell and flavor, , , ,. And, it is not just a simple matter of the poly resin not ""sticking""; the chemistries of the poly and the woods just plain HATE EACH OTHER. I ended up stripping the glass off of a fin about two days after I glassed it. Underneath the cloth was a layer of ""goo"" that would make duct tape seem slippery! This is why, way-back-in-the-old-days, glassers hated to glass elaborate wooden tail blocks. I now put a sealing coat of epoxy on the fins, and then 60 grit it, prior to poly glassing." 156164,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),53,Largoazul,"Sep 8, 2019",2019-09-08T19:15:52-0400,"dingpatch said: Driftwood brings forth a very relevant point, , , , In my beginning fin making days I always had ""trouble"" using poly on various woods. Not all woods but, mostly the ones that you'd say are ""the best looking"", etc. Glass this morning, looks OK this afternoon but, tomorrow morning, , , , What The Heck !!! They would look like they were delaminating here-and-there. Did some internet research that lead me to boat builder forums. One guy was asking about using poly on some marine ply in his old wooden ski boat. The one notable reply simply said ""NO"", about a hundred times, in bold 20 point!!! Another guy responded with ""the only thing poly resin sticks to is poly resin"". Further research revealed that it was a matter of chemistry. It is/was not a matter of the wood having too much oil/sap in it. The problem is that the chemistry of the wood has a lot of phenols in it; the stuff that gives your smoking wood its smell and flavor, , , ,. And, it is not just a simple matter of the poly resin not ""sticking""; the chemistries of the poly and the woods just plain HATE EACH OTHER. I ended up stripping the glass off of a fin about two days after I glassed it. Underneath the cloth was a layer of ""goo"" that would make duct tape seem slippery! This is why, way-back-in-the-old-days, glassers hated to glass elaborate wooden tail blocks. I now put a sealing coat of epoxy on the fins, and then 60 grit it, prior to poly glassing. Click to expand... Driftwood , thanks for the input. Trust me you won't hurt my feelings. Lol. This brings up the very interesting poly vs. epoxy subject. I hear what your saying about the wood bonding to epoxy better I completely agree. My next build may be with epoxy to test it and compare with the poly. My main reason for not using epoxy was because I've personally never liked the feeling of epoxy boards. Always seemed stiff to me. My thinking regarding the redwood was that it would t flex all that much compared to say a balsa wood. So I made sure I did a cheater coat before my lamination so get what dingpatch was describing as a better bond poly to poly. This is the first wood board I've built and have enough redwood for 4 more boards so I'm keeping an open mind and will be trying different things. Always good to hear others experiences. Love that stuff. If anyone else has other information regarding the subject chime in!" 156169,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),54,dingpatch,"Sep 9, 2019",2019-09-08T20:11:30-0400,"Hmmmmm, , , , my understanding (but I'm a congenital idiot!) is that poly really does not like to be flexed, while epoxy is much more bendable." 156170,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),55,SeniorGrom,"Sep 9, 2019",2019-09-08T20:36:52-0400,"Sounds to me like your laminating process was a good one. From what I’ve read and experienced, epoxy resin is superior in many ways. Adhesion and flexibility are two of those qualities. Just remember the cloth and resin are nothing more than the ‘hard candy shell’ around your core material. I’m not the best at detecting flex in any surfboard so how anyone could feel flex in a wooden board is beyond my sensitivity. Great work!" 158876,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),56,rootdown,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T11:49:18-0400,"finally got around to finishing this one up. Image processing. Refresh page to view" 158880,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),57,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T13:40:17-0400,"Great job. With no disrespect to anyone, sweeping generalizations regarding resin, cloth, or core used doesn't give each respective material its just due. The most recent development is polyester resins are much closer on a par to good quality epoxy resins than ever before. Fiberglass has evolved too in clarity, its ability to resist the rigors of ultraviolet exposure, impact resistance, and how it manages energy in flex, recovery and ultimately fatigue. Polyester cores have also evolved. We are now well past the what Clark Foam offered at their time of exit. Cell structure has become noticeable finer, harder, yet more resilient, and possesses superior shaping qualities in how the foams react to planer cuts and power sanding. In this brave new world, what was once considered the ""conventional"" surfboard building materials, can no longer be considered so ""conventional"". Taking a 2 lb. density core to new heights in its ability to resist the severe loading scenario even a 3 ft. wave exerts on its fulcrum is more remarkable than ever before. The advent and use of new polyols from sustainable resources is also commendable. All hail the modern day surfboard and its ultimate journey into the future!" 158883,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),58,JBorbone,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T14:05:32-0400,"Bruce Fowler said: Great job. With no disrespect to anyone, sweeping generalizations regarding resin, cloth, or core used doesn't give each respective material its just due. The most recent development is polyester resins are much closer on a par to good quality epoxy resins than ever before. Fiberglass has evolved too in clarity, its ability to resist the rigors of ultraviolet exposure, impact resistance, and how it manages energy in flex, recovery and ultimately fatigue. Polyester cores have also evolved. We are now well past the what Clark Foam offered at their time of exit. Cell structure has become noticeable finer, harder, yet more resilient, and possesses superior shaping qualities in how the foams react to planer cuts and power sanding. In this brave new world, what was once considered the ""conventional"" surfboard building materials, can no longer be considered so ""conventional"". Taking a 2 lb. density core to new heights in its ability to resist the severe loading scenario even a 3 ft. wave exerts on its fulcrum is more remarkable than ever before. The advent and use of new polyols from sustainable resources is also commendable. All hail the modern day surfboard and its ultimate journey into the future! Click to expand... I geek out on the science behind this craft.. given my long terms goals with boardbuilding, and you're 100% accurate here.. I did a scientific study comparing all surfboard resins available on the market and #90 Isophthalic Polyester is nearly 1.25x stronger than Entropy Supersap Epoxy and on-par with Resin Research Epoxy. Strength measured by snap angle at 20 ppsi." 158885,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),59,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T14:23:58-0400,"Right on! And I commend your ability to actually spell Isophthalic resin correctly, even tho' the Jamboards spell check is redlining it as incorrect as I do this.... lol. As I said previously Iso = polyester resin with epoxy molecules. That seems like a contradiction but that's what it is and it has the advantages you have revealed. Keep on building! ;-)" 158886,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),60,Chilly Willy,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T15:11:03-0400,"Jeez! You guys are impressive. I've been tinkering a little bit myself, but it's laughable how many mistakes/lessons one can make/learn on one board. I've gotta ask openly for anyone shaping: how did your first board come out? What were the biggest challenges and lessons learned?" 158892,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),61,McQuad,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T16:28:24-0400,"JBorbone said: I geek out on the science behind this craft.. given my long terms goals with boardbuilding, and you're 100% accurate here.. I did a scientific study comparing all surfboard resins available on the market and #90 Isophthalic Polyester is nearly 1.25x stronger than Entropy Supersap Epoxy and on-par with Resin Research Epoxy. Strength measured by snap angle at 20 ppsi. Click to expand... Yes but most guys don't know how to pull weave tight and 90% of boards out there are overshaped thanks to machines or hipsters that can't use a planer correctly, which completely negates any strength benefit from using better materials." 158897,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),62,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T17:17:27-0400,"My first surfboard had been a 10'2"" Greg Noll that flew off my brother's best friend's car in Santa Ana winds near Haskell's Beach north of Goleta. He lived on the property in one of three houses provided by the oil company because his dad worked for them. He gave it to my brother to bring home for me. It had 2 feet of the nose broken off, 50 to 60 dings, and the skeg had been ripped off. This was in 1959, and trying to find resin & fiberglass was difficult in Santa Barbara. My mother took my brother Gary & I to a fabric shop down near the traffic lights on U.S. 101. A big skinny tall man was at the counter and my mother asked him if they carried fiberglass. He looked thoughtful for a moment, then said ""give me a minute to see if I can find something in back"". Reappearing from behind the curtain, he held a piece of some light tan fabric. He then said ""I think this might be fiberglass....... I'm pretty sure this will work, just give me a dollar for it."" The next challenge was to find resin. He told us to go up the street to ""Pep Boys"" because guys that work on their Corvettes, which the bodys are made out of fiberglass, get resin there. Mom told the guy what our project was, and the Pep Boys clerk sold her a can of ""Rocket Resin"" with the hardener then said, ""ya know, if the surfboard has that many holes, you'd be smart to buy some Bondo for filling them, Bondo is pretty easy to work with"". We packed up and drove back to the ranch, ten miles up San Marcos Pass in the mountains above Santa Barbara where we lived with Annabelle my burro, our horses, ducks, chickens, cats. dogs and cattle. We got to work on the carcass of what had once been a beautiful sled by Greg Noll. Dad gave me a surform, a saw, a plane and some sandpaper. Little did I know this was the beginning of my shaping career. I was eight. My brother was in 8th grade, and he ended up making a wood laminated skeg in his wood shop class. It looked pretty damn good, I thought. But all the Bondo fills looked like shit. The tan cloth had gone on my reshaped nose okay, but I had to cut out bubbles and fill those areas with more Bondo. We sunk the fin into a resin fill cavity and taped it into place. The resin got too hot and cracked some, so we did a secondary fill with some more resin. The fin was a little tilted to one side, but it was too late to do anything about it. The board ended up 8'3"". All the patches looked hideous, so we ended up buying some ""Candy Apple Green"" enamel. We painted the whole thing except for the fin, because that was the best thing about the whole board. My brother confessed, that he had gotten a lot of help from his wood shop teacher. So there it was. My first ride! I paddled her out on a small day at Leadbetter across from Santa Barbara City College. There was a girl out there ripping, which was a really rare deal in those days. Later on I found out her name was Linda Merrill and she went on to become the first women on the cover of ""Surfer Magazine"" and Mike Doyle's tandem partner. That summer I started walking out to the end of the SB Breakwater to surf ""Sand Bar"". That was where I accidentally took off at a slight angle to the wave and leaned in toward the wave going right. The next thing I knew, I was angling for the first time in my life. That one accidental right slide made me feel like I was going a million miles an hour, and I've been hooked ever since! I saved my allowance and skateboarded along the road by our ranch with a back pack collecting pop bottles so I could eventually have enough money to order a custom surfboard. When I thought I had enough money (my parents said they'd cover the rest), I sold my first board to a friend for $9. The 2nd time he surfed it, it broke into three pieces." 158904,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),63,DanSan,"Oct 17, 2019",2019-10-17T19:28:22-0400,"JBorbone said: I geek out on the science behind this craft.. given my long terms goals with boardbuilding, and you're 100% accurate here.. I did a scientific study comparing all surfboard resins available on the market and #90 Isophthalic Polyester is nearly 1.25x stronger than Entropy Supersap Epoxy and on-par with Resin Research Epoxy. Strength measured by snap angle at 20 ppsi. Click to expand... And that is why my next fowler nvm Bruce is using isophthalic polyester resin...upcoming...stay tuned to boards pics...for now the torren twin has the limelight..ha" 158922,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),64,Driftwood,"Oct 18, 2019",2019-10-18T02:25:36-0400,"Chilly Willy said: Jeez! You guys are impressive. I've been tinkering a little bit myself, but it's laughable how many mistakes/lessons one can make/learn on one board. I've gotta ask openly for anyone shaping: how did your first board come out? What were the biggest challenges and lessons learned? Click to expand... My first board actually turned out pretty well - a 7' something big-guy tri roughly based on a board that Bill Minard had built for me. Reasonably clean shape, acceptable glass job with an amlost buttery satin rub out. Rode well on a first trip down to Popotla and then a bunch of fun sessions. Thought I had something going. Now the second board... more wobbles in my lines, a couple of sand-throughs, mojo totally off. I think that board, and various others in the first hundred or so, challenged me with consistency and the need to have a go-to routine and then take into account various parameters such as temp, humidity, variable foam densities... I (slowly!) learned to take my time, to not rush a step, and (eventually) never think that I would fix a mistake in the next step and instead fix it as well as I could right there rather than amplifying it by waiting." 158938,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),65,HerbB,"Oct 18, 2019",2019-10-18T10:35:40-0400,"My first board made realize how much the sander is just as much an artist and affectS the outcome, as much or more than the shaper and/or glasser does." 159308,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),66,LaminarFlow,"Oct 24, 2019",2019-10-24T10:43:27-0400, 159322,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),67,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 24, 2019",2019-10-24T12:43:12-0400,"Here's one of the four Stingers I am doing as an homage to Big Ben. Not intended to be a dupe of his design as he has varied them over the years anyway. The concept has been retained and the nod to Aipa for his inventiveness over the years. There are two 7'4""s & two 6'8""s that will be going to Aviator Nation's new store opening on the North Shore. The boards all have the 70's vibe with Brewer-esque flat decks, dropped rails, Image processing. Refresh page to view beaked noses, small swallow stings. Single concave to double concave.......... vee with deepest vee @ tailblock. Here's a peek. Much Aloha to All." 159329,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),68,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 24, 2019",2019-10-24T13:48:21-0400,"UNO MAS Image processing. Refresh page to view" 159371,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),69,Chilly Willy,"Oct 25, 2019",2019-10-25T08:34:24-0400,"SlidetheLightning said: Click to expand... Nice one. This is going to be my winter project. Hope it comes out as clean as yours!" 159372,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),70,Chilly Willy,"Oct 25, 2019",2019-10-25T08:47:02-0400,"Bruce Fowler said: UNO MAS View attachment 15147 Click to expand... Hey Bruce, I'm trying to develop a better eye. From a shaper's perspective, can you tell me the specific things that you're eyeballing here when you're shaping and eyeing it up? Looks to me like something with vee and/or bottom contours, but I thought I'd ask and build some knowledge." 159378,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),71,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 25, 2019",2019-10-25T10:18:02-0400,"This angle is just giving the viewer a perspective from the ass end. Pic highlights the extent of the vee in the tail and what the contour looks like as the bottom progresses forward. It also offers aglimpse of what the stings look like from that angle. Tail rail contour and edge is also featured..." 159387,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),72,McQuad,"Oct 25, 2019",2019-10-25T15:28:08-0400,"8' wingnose middy Image processing. Refresh page to view" 159389,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),73,McQuad,"Oct 25, 2019",2019-10-25T15:33:41-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view This one done. Tracker nibt lovechild. Tony at COS laminated" 159391,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),74,DanSan,"Oct 25, 2019",2019-10-25T18:06:46-0400,"OBSF 2-4'...occ. 5~ 85 degrees air...wow .clean Nice peaks..got a break from taking care of my daughter..after stanford hosp. ER visit ..now ho e to spell wifey MOTE massive ..aka torren twin...very nice...interesting speed..and hold with channels.. Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 159414,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),75,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 26, 2019",2019-10-26T00:36:39-0400,"McQuad said: View attachment 15153 View attachment 15154 This one done. Tracker nibt lovechild. Tony at COS laminated Click to expand... Sweet!" 159688,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),76,McQuad,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-30T21:11:41-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view ] Wingnose middy wrapped tight." 159691,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),77,DanSan,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-30T21:22:36-0400,"McQuad said: View attachment 15227 View attachment 15228 ] Wingnose middy wrapped tight. Click to expand... Nice!" 159698,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),78,nitsuj,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-30T22:56:17-0400,"This is probably going to suck since it's only my 2nd board shaped, but man it's fun to think about things I've never thought about before. Image processing. Refresh page to view" 159708,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),79,Bruce Fowler,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-31T02:42:20-0400,EPS. 159725,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),80,Chilly Willy,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-31T10:41:58-0400,"nitsuj said: This is probably going to suck since it's only my 2nd board shaped, but man it's fun to think about things I've never thought about before. Click to expand... Yew! Have fun. Hoping to start my 2nd sometime soon as a winter project. Seeing your blank all ready to go makes me froth a bit. PS: Nice vintage Gator!" 159726,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),81,nitsuj,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-31T11:03:32-0400,"Chilly Willy said: PS: Nice vintage Gator! Click to expand... Good eye amidst all that other junk in the garage. It's my childhood board. Wish at some point I hadn't decided to take the rails, tail guard etc. off, and could actually find the OG slimeballs, but what's left brings back memories so I keep it out there above the little mini half that is currently unskateable due to being my shaping bay." 159732,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),82,Chilly Willy,"Oct 31, 2019",2019-10-31T11:27:58-0400,"nitsuj said: Good eye amidst all that other junk in the garage. It's my childhood board. Wish at some point I hadn't decided to take the rails, tail guard etc. off, and could actually find the OG slimeballs, but what's left brings back memories so I keep it out there above the little mini half that is currently unskateable due to being my shaping bay. Click to expand... I didn't even notice that! I'd love to have a little indoor ramp like that. Nice collector's item though. Relevant: The ""Stoked"" Gator documentary on YouTube is a good one and worth the watch if you haven't already." 159847,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),83,SharkB8,"Nov 2, 2019",2019-11-02T19:05:43-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Quick pics today since the wind was on in for day 15, or 16. I've lost count" 159854,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),84,nitsuj,"Nov 3, 2019",2019-11-02T20:36:11-0400,"Glad you posted that @SharkB8 , been making some handplanes with foam offcuts for Xmas gifts and was wondering how I should attach the handle. Was originally going to use some old DIY splitboard t-nuts, never even thought about resin loops! Stoked." 159859,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),85,SharkB8,"Nov 3, 2019",2019-11-02T21:46:46-0400,"nitsuj said: Glad you posted that @SharkB8 , been making some handplanes with foam offcuts for Xmas gifts and was wondering how I should attach the handle. Was originally going to use some old DIY splitboard t-nuts, never even thought about resin loops! Stoked. Click to expand... I've always liked resin loops. Find armada handplanes on instagram. There are a few other guys on instagram for inspiration. Post pictures when you can" 159860,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),86,SharkB8,"Nov 3, 2019",2019-11-02T21:50:58-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Woodfootsurfcraft. On instagram. He has the absolute coolest spoon plane." 159865,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),87,waveglider619,"Nov 3, 2019",2019-11-02T22:40:18-0400,"SharkB8 said: View attachment 15262 View attachment 15263 View attachment 15264 Woodfootsurfcraft. On instagram. He has the absolute coolest spoon plane. Click to expand... Rad" 160046,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),88,Bruce Fowler,"Nov 7, 2019",2019-11-07T10:37:07-0500,"Here are some pix from a group of four Stingers I am shaping for Aviator Nation's new store about to open on the North Shore. These were an homage to ""Sting"" creator Ben Aipa albeit not intended to be exact dupes which would be impossible as Mr Aipa has evolved them along the way since introducing them back in the day. The design remains basically the same although with multi fin choices deviating from the single fin incarnation. I've shaped up two 6'8""x22""x2-3/4"" & two 7'4""x23""x3"" respectively. All 100% handshaped, so there are minor differences as any handshape will possess from shape to shape. The blanks were ordered from U.S. Blanks in their new ""2.0"" foam formulation, and I found it a delight to shape. Very fine celled, extremely consistent, and although I've heard others have had problems with the foam tearing while shaping, mine cut like a hot knife thru butter. All the boards feature a ""Brewer-esque"" Beak with dropped downrail with ""70's island style"" flat decks, swallow tail stings, single to double barrel concave & vee @ tail. Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view" 160057,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),89,shapewright,"Nov 7, 2019",2019-11-07T15:38:33-0500,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view A 9'10"" custom one off noserider for Rhode Island, 3"" balsa stringer, step deck and concave nose. Keeping that much balsa flush to foam was like herding cats." 160063,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),90,Bruce Fowler,"Nov 7, 2019",2019-11-07T17:15:22-0500,"SHARP TOOLS = GOOD BALSA SHAPING (otherwise wood keeps rising, can be a real b.tch.)" 160235,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),91,SharkB8,"Nov 10, 2019",2019-11-10T17:26:20-0500,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Image processing. Refresh page to view Working on a not so Mini Simmons. Stating to make the fins. Spalted ambrosia maple. Don't know anything about wood working but I think it's looking decent." 160237,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),92,McQuad,"Nov 11, 2019",2019-11-10T19:04:59-0500,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Roughed out a couple single fins. 7 ply Baltic birch. 10.5"" greenough stage 1 glass on and 8-1/4"" greenoughesque 4a with tab. More base and used the tip of the stage 1 as opposed to the true Ames version. Should be cool" 160554,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),93,nitsuj,"Nov 15, 2019",2019-11-15T15:45:58-0500,"Image processing. Refresh page to view Good from far, far from good" 160556,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),94,Bruce Fowler,"Nov 15, 2019",2019-11-15T16:31:30-0500,Art is subjective. 160559,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),95,DanSan,"Nov 15, 2019",2019-11-15T17:35:22-0500,"Bruce Fowler said: Art is subjective. Click to expand... I cannot wait for you to post my new 8.6.... Just sold my torren.. So you and dane perlee..got my orders..ha" 160598,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),96,ParSurf,"Nov 17, 2019",2019-11-16T19:29:51-0500,Image processing. Refresh page to view 160616,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),97,nitsuj,"Nov 17, 2019",2019-11-17T00:23:02-0500,"ParSurf said: View attachment 15468 Click to expand... That blue looks so nice! What's the name of the blue you used?" 160618,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),98,ParSurf,"Nov 17, 2019",2019-11-17T01:09:16-0500,"Image processing. Refresh page to view nitsuj said: That blue looks so nice! What's the name of the blue you used? Click to expand... It's a custom mix. I think red,white, black and yellow are the only pigments I use without a little cocktailing. Was going for a close match to my buddies dodge van. He doesn't know what the whole board looks like yet but I'll post photos when it's done." 160620,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),99,ParSurf,"Nov 17, 2019",2019-11-17T01:11:50-0500,This is the shape though. 7-2 hullish single. Wide point a little forward. Belly flat v. 16.75 21.25 14.75 160639,6778,Shaper thread (show us what you are shaping),100,Bruce Fowler,"Nov 17, 2019",2019-11-17T15:21:31-0500,"DanSan said: I cannot wait for you to post my new 8.6.... Just sold my torren.. So you and dane perlee..got my orders..ha Click to expand... New one getting mowed out now. In the meantime something else for eye candy. Fowler Bonzer E Wing. Image processing. Refresh page to view"