post_id,thread_id,thread_title,post_number,author_username,post_date,post_date_iso,post_body 50273,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,1,hullogfish,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T03:23:59-0400,Saw the video on youtube. What the hell is going on here? 50275,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,2,Ticowannabe,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T03:39:48-0400,no clue but pretty interesting ...and some great moves 50276,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,3,Jaimo,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T03:53:45-0400,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1ZkdGJj2s8&feature=youtube_gdata_player 50277,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,4,cuda,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T03:59:21-0400,"JA publicity hissy fit. JA claims he is a ""black man""(looks white to me, he may be suggesting he is a sort of ""minority."") being kept down, thinks JT is discriminating on him for not inviting to Duct Tape. BFD - its JT contest. He gets to invite who he wants (should be)end of discussion." 50278,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,5,finshack,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T04:06:58-0400,"Unfortunately I don't think it's JA's skills that are lacking, more likely his wardrobe/attitude" 50279,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,6,hullogfish,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T04:31:28-0400,"Without getting into it, and this was years ago, I was in a surfshop and witnessed Joes folks trying to sell Joe to the owner or manager as a sponsored team rider. The shop was newish and had no team riders, Joes follks were very pushy. I would guess Joe was 13 or so, he looked embarassed." 50280,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,7,surfermac,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T04:47:50-0400,"You hit that one on the head hullogfish. I watched Joe's Dad ""operate"" during a surf contest at Queens a number of years ago. Not a great example for his son. Reminds me of fathers I played ice hockey with, who pushed their kids way too hard. One dad would swear at his kid over the boards and in between periods pull the kid aside to ""coach"" him. I thought Joe was a decent kid, but his dad on the other hand... Happened to Eric Lindros of the Philadelphia Flyers, too." 50281,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,8,Chilly Willy,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T05:00:52-0400,"Having just watched the video*, it looks like he's a great surfer. It just seemed like an ""everything you can do I can do better"" showoff video with the clips back and forth. Maybe he wasn't invited because he's not well known enough. I had never heard of him until just now. *For anyone too lazy to look it up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xodo6iA2XGk ...but what's with surfing in a top hat? Cooorrrrnnnyyy." 50282,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,9,hullogfish,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T05:06:26-0400,"Yup, little league dad syndrom is crazy. I guess I dont have it in me, thus I don't get it. I think the Tudor contests are a breathe of freah air. I see many people respond to them. I'll never forget my dad , who surfed from the early 60s to late, watching a pro longboard contest in the 90s, thinking it looked stupid. Recently I was watching Sight/Sound on my ipad next to my pops on a flight, and he was really pumped on the logging footage." 50283,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,10,finshack,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T05:17:32-0400,"Looking back my previous reply looks somewhat negative, Joe's a nice guy bought some fins from him and he totally straight up. Just not sure that whole 'mondrian' wetsuit / top hat thing fits with the whole Duct Tape aesthetic is all… Each equally valid" 50284,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,11,Latte,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T06:42:16-0400,"I would rather watch Joe over Joel any day. Not sure about the martial art high kick thing going on...but it is what it is. Maybe its a mock on Joel who knows. Side note, anyone know why Joel got into grappling" 50285,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,12,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T06:50:02-0400,"side note... Joel got ""choked out"" at Pipe some years ago. Took steps to ensure that would not happen again." 50286,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,13,Latte,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T06:54:29-0400,"run.haole.run wrote: side note... Joel got ""choked out"" at Pipe some years ago. Took steps to ensure that would not happen again. Click to expand... Good one RHR" 50287,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,14,slosurf,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T06:57:38-0400,"If Joe A has anything to do with this joke of a video - not too biased, huh? - then the answer why he has not been invited to Duct Tape is obvious." 50288,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,15,dogleg,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T07:12:11-0400,Joe is a legend. 50289,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,16,BoardDesign,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T07:41:52-0400,The video should get him in the next one for sure! Facepalm! 50290,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,17,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T07:58:14-0400,Is it possible to be too limber? 50291,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,18,jscottk,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T08:05:18-0400,"Well if it ends up in a real fight, I will lay $1000 to $1 on Joel. His skills as a surfer speak for themselves. But too watch him do Jui jitsu is amazing. He is decades ahead of where your average person would be if they put the same amount of time into it. Iv done a little training, but at age 49 the injury verse fun rate was a little lopsided for me. The idea of a ""Versus"" youtube battle is just sort of lowbrow and childish." 50292,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,19,aslbuck,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T08:50:15-0400,"Chilly Willy wrote: Having just watched the video*, it looks like he's a great surfer. It just seemed like an ""everything you can do I can do better"" showoff video with the clips back and forth. Click to expand... The video is entirely misleading in that it was edited and put together by JA himself, so of course the clips will fall in his favor. The kid is talented no doubt, but I find his look, style, and gesticulations to be so entirely fabricated and forced that I dislike watching him immensely. His one video where he is surfing in a f*cking tophat, ugh, it was painful. If it had been a Halloween thing, and he also adorned himself with a monocle, cain, and the rest of Mr. Peanut's attire, maybe, just maybe it would have been more watchable. I have known the name Joe Aaron for almost a decade and from the first uttering of it, I think associated with a club, maybe Doheny?, I had always also heard of the headache and baggage packed along with him. And, for the love of Christ the hair flips and attempts to create sensitive Bambi eyes and the look of a mistaken poet/painter thing is so hard to watch." 50294,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,20,houseofsuffering,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T09:08:55-0400,"Dude put together a youtube video to plead his case? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha. Whatever happened to picking up a phone or a good old fashioned fist fight to figure things out? I'd say the first step to getting in the Invitational would to stop making cornyass youtube diss videos and putting your tophat back in the closet. Maybe worry less about having an ""official"" youtube page and fire your publicist, too(I'm sure you have one bro). Oh yeah...and this:" 50295,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,21,hullogfish,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T09:11:12-0400,"aslbuck wrote: Chilly Willy wrote: Having just watched the video*, it looks like he's a great surfer. It just seemed like an ""everything you can do I can do better"" showoff video with the clips back and forth. Click to expand... The video is entirely misleading in that it was edited and put together by JA himself, so of course the clips will fall in his favor. The kid is talented no doubt, but I find his look, style, and gesticulations to be so entirely fabricated and forced that I dislike watching him immensely. His one video where he is surfing in a f*cking tophat, ugh, it was painful. If it had been a Halloween thing, and he also adorned himself with a monocle, cain, and the rest of Mr. Peanut's attire, maybe, just maybe it would have been more watchable. I have known the name Joe Aaron for almost a decade and from the first uttering of it, I think associated with a club, maybe Doheny?, I had always also heard of the headache and baggage packed along with him. And, for the love of Christ the hair flips and attempts to create sensitive Bambi eyes and the look of a mistaken poet/painter thing is so hard to watch. Click to expand... Yup" 50296,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,22,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T09:18:51-0400,"the funny/ironic thing about the video is that Joel's surfing is infinitely more pleasing to the eye (to me at least). the video seems to have the opposite effect of that which was intended by its creator. Joe's surfing reminds me of those people who can sing technically very well but enunciate every fricking syllable so perfectly that it takes all the soul out of the song. longboard riding is lo-fi analog" 50297,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,23,Killafornia,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T09:20:20-0400,":? Attached files" 50298,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,24,RIer,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T09:28:06-0400,"run.haole.run wrote: the funny/ironic thing about the video is that Joel's surfing is infinitely more pleasing to the eye (to me at least). the video seems to have the opposite effect of that which was intended by its creator. Joe's surfing reminds me of those people who can sing technically very well but enunciate every fricking syllable so perfectly that it takes all the soul out of the song. longboard riding is lo-fi analog Click to expand... I thought the exact same thing. Dude has technical skills without question, but seems to totally miss the point." 50299,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,25,dogleg,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T09:30:54-0400,Anyone who has ever been to a surf-related event should know who the JoJo Bros are. How can you afford not to get free autographed headshots? 50304,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,26,Guest,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T11:04:49-0400,Joe who? 50305,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,27,PeakMaster,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T11:13:16-0400,"I never did quite get all of the acrobatics and pantomime shit on the nose. I respect the level of skill needed to do it but it's just plain goofy. Like embarrassing to watch goofy. Attached files" 50306,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,28,manncura,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T11:49:41-0400,":shock: just bc you can doesn't mean you should, i think thats how the saying goes. Attached files" 50307,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,29,surflugen,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T12:15:12-0400,"I met Joe as a kid and did a little interview with him on the beach because I had a couple of good photos I just took. He wanted to grow up and be just like Joel. Thing is, back then, Joel was not that far removed from still using hp longboard in competitions, but he was moving towards heavy traditional equipment (or so I gathered from following longboarding). Back to that interview, JA seam so stoked on longboarding and it was very infectious. I ran into him again a day later at Harbour and met the parents. They were selling the Groms Rule line of stuff they were promoting (JA's artwork which they had to change from Surfer Joe because they did know know someone from the area had trademarked that name) and his parents, as you have all read already, were a piece of work. Definite ""back stage parents"" that were showing their kid how be be a hustler in the surfing business, of which they said to me, they had no idea about before pushing Joe's talents on the world. At that moment, I felt very sorry for Joe." 50308,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,30,FirstPointEric,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T12:38:36-0400,"manncura wrote: :shock: just bc you can doesn't mean you should, i think thats how the saying goes. Click to expand... Jeebus. Well put, Manncura. What next, standing on the nose while playing a uke and singing a falsetto Tiptoe Through The Tulips? Can you say ""trying too hard""? Holy schnikeys is that embarrassing. Eric" 50309,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,31,log donkey,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:03:08-0400,"manncura wrote: :shock: just bc you can doesn't mean you should, i think thats how the saying goes. Click to expand... That's how I look when I have the ""big O"" What? TMI? C'mon!" 50310,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,32,SReilly,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:05:08-0400,"The kids doing something he loves and is making a few $$$ so good for him. Do I like his style, no, but who cares. The reason I think he has never been "" invited is that he basically represents every thing the duct tape contest is not. Maybe he should start his on tour and call it the electrical tape and not invite Joel." 50311,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,33,aslbuck,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:18:50-0400,"SReilly wrote: The kids doing something he loves and is making a few $$$ so good for him. Do I like his style, no, but who cares. The reason I think he has never been "" invited is that he basically represents every thing the duct tape contest is not. Maybe he should start his on tour and call it the electrical tape and not invite Joel. Click to expand... I would beg to differ on the idea that how JA surfs represents what the Duct Tape is not. The kid rides single fins, is talented on the tip, and has a semi classical style (I am being as uncritical as possible on this part). I don't think it's his in the water approach that is his hurdle, sadly I think it is his mouth and whatever past baggage he is dragging. If someone gave him a black wetsuit, or a less flashy one, kept him from flipping his hair every third wave, and asked him to minimize his hip thrust / arm raise from the nose, and muzzled him, while also taking away his ability to make future self glorifying videos, he'd fit right in. p.s. Jason see here for the top hat sh*t:" 50312,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,34,jason,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:19:31-0400,"This can't be real... This Joe kid has got to be fucking kidding... I never made to the said 'tophat' section, i quit before it got that far. If this was an attempt to out surf Tudor it's a terrible fail. Plain and simple... Style is lacking. Move along... May be suitable for Yoga or some shit. What tha fuck is this surfing world coming to? btw... this is MY opinion, and not meant to hurt yalls feelins... Well maybe Joe's. that shit was terrible." 50313,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,35,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:29:45-0400,"ha ha... yeah i couldn't make it to the much maligned top hat sequence either. i watched that clip aslbuck posted. wow. just... wow" 50314,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,36,SReilly,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:35:26-0400,"Sorry Asbluck, that's kind of what I meant, not necessarly his surfing just his whole demener and sulf promoting.." 50315,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,37,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:41:34-0400,"Funny that this is in the list of Related Videos on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qn_GcTAw2Y some rad shredding at the end, but Pavel seems pretty full of himself (so i guess that's how the 2 videos are related?)" 50316,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,38,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T13:50:52-0400,"This is also in the related vids...man YouTube is killing it today. This is the gift that keeps on giving... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36vfV6RwszQ" 50317,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,39,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:01:18-0400,"Brian Hilbers is RAD... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDzlZgldP8k" 50318,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,40,Salty,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:02:17-0400,". Attached files" 50319,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,41,aslbuck,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:06:18-0400,"How Joe Aaron views himself (this kid is no Big Daddy Kane): Image processing. Refresh page to view How I view him (and perhaps many of you share my vision): Image processing. Refresh page to view" 50320,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,42,Mizrachi,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:10:07-0400,Is that Rico Suave? 50321,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,43,pilau,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:11:43-0400,any day where you get a Big Daddy Kane reference (with bonus photo) on a longboarding forum is a good day in my book 50322,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,44,aslbuck,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:14:43-0400,"run.haole.run wrote: any day where you get a Big Daddy Kane reference (with bonus photo) on a longboarding forum is a good day in my book Click to expand... Greatest rapper of all time! A title I'd bestow upon him for his contribution to the Juice Crew's track ""Symphony"" (last verse) alone, not to mention his body of work elsewhere:" 50323,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,45,Mizrachi,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:20:47-0400,"aslbuck wrote: run.haole.run wrote: any day where you get a Big Daddy Kane reference (with bonus photo) on a longboarding forum is a good day in my book Click to expand... Greatest rapper of all time! A title I'd bestow upon him for his contribution to the Juice Crew's track ""Symphony"" (last verse) alone, not to mention his body of work elsewhere: Click to expand... absolutely agree with this. and the symphony is probably the best posse cut i know of." 50324,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,46,FirstPointEric,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:28:22-0400,"Salty wrote: . Click to expand... Glenn- That photo is just awesomely stupid. One word and only one word comes to mind: lahoozers. Trying too damn hard. I mean, doesn't Joe realize that Slash kinda owns the whole top hat thing? And after 25 years, it's kind of played? Joe can clearly surf well, but I'd like to see him try all that HP crap on a true log. And the ""I-should've-been-a-male-model"" photography in the videos is just so ridiculous and doesn't help make his case. Sorry Joe. Creative editing is lame. IMO, Joel wins. And don't hold your breath, Joe. An invite to the Duct Tape is not in the mail nor will one ever be. Eric Attached files" 50325,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,47,jason,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:57:20-0400,"Dammit Andrew!!!! I cannot erase that shit... However Big Daddy Kane makes up for it. Well played. On a serious note, i cannot believe this video is real..." 50326,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,48,aslbuck,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T14:58:09-0400,"Joe can clearly surf well, but I'd like to see him try all that HP crap on a true log. And the ""I-should've-been-a-male-model"" photography in the videos is just so ridiculous and doesn't help make his case. Click to expand... While I agree with your assessment of him trying to hard, I don't think his boards qualify as HP. He is riding proper logs. He is just doing so with a certain aura of doucheyness." 50327,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,49,PeakMaster,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T15:21:42-0400,"aslbuck wrote: [/quote]""He is just doing so with a certain aura of doucheyness."" [/quote] Hard to imagine a more lucid or succinct description." 50328,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,50,Salty,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T15:25:50-0400,". Attached files Image processing. Refresh page to view" 50329,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,51,Ticowannabe,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T15:51:57-0400,"even the Marianne Faithfulls don't look impressed. the kid has some pretty awesome skills but he is overacting and overselling it... not going to be a hater 'cause this sounds like bad parenting/management and in that case i feel bad for him... i wish him the best...and better judgement. he lives right by me but i can't say i've seen him in the water...pretty sure i would have noticed" 50330,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,52,shapewright,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T16:08:05-0400,"he and dad went to Oz, ticket in hand only, expected the tab to be picked up because of who they were" 50331,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,53,SMUKES,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T16:40:36-0400,"I would give a weeks pay to see jim in that outfit, th'hat, pants,socks pulled up." 50332,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,54,shapewright,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T16:47:36-0400,"I went to court in lace cuffed shirt, top hat and double breated suit jacket, bell bottom velour pants, ankle boots, the bailiff was less than impressed" 50333,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,55,ruckus,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T16:54:53-0400,"That's what happens when you're authentic. Nothing but a boy gidget/gadget. This aaron/errant kid reminds me of flashy pants who arrives at our break parading peacock blue. I have and will surely knock him down again if if he got in my way. Tudor can have my wave." 50334,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,56,SuperKool,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T17:01:05-0400,"Image processing. Refresh page to view I heard he's mostly made out of water!!!" 50335,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,57,ourownnation,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T17:17:34-0400,"watching that video brought back art history and horrid thoughts of ballet, no." 50336,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,58,SMUKES,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T17:26:11-0400,now let's see him surf pipe. 50337,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,59,aslbuck,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T17:54:20-0400,"Smukes - it takes brass balls for a white man living in Leucadia to post up a shot of Big Daddy Kane as his profile picture. http://youtu.be/6FWfKoc-MKM Feel fear to watch the non-abridged clip of this scene if time allows and bored. The sad thing is that JA has all the skills and abilities to be a great longboarder, yet sadly seems misguided or something. It's not like the once critiques of Alex, in that Alex's style has come to be accepted as who he is. A good friend of mine, among the top single fin loggers I have ever seen surf, once told me that rather than attempt to iron out those little quirks in your surfing that people might critique (for him crazy arms at times, for me an occasional bobble head) you should embrace your ""flaws"". If only JA's quirks were flaws and not the result of calculated maneuvers. Oh well. If super bored, see if you can spot me, based on bobble head, and unnamed friend, based on crazy arms, in this short film we were in last year as part of a local short surf film festival: http://vimeo.com/37682562" 50338,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,60,SMUKES,"Aug 5, 2013",2013-08-05T18:50:24-0400,I do T-rex/ vestigial arms. Its who i am. 50340,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,61,jory,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-05T21:32:52-0400,"aslbuck wrote: Joe can clearly surf well, but I'd like to see him try all that HP crap on a true log. And the ""I-should've-been-a-male-model"" photography in the videos is just so ridiculous and doesn't help make his case. Click to expand... While I agree with your assessment of him trying to hard, I don't think his boards qualify as HP. He is riding proper logs. He is just doing so with a certain aura of doucheyness. Click to expand... Andrew, quote of the thread right there" 50341,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,62,RIer,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-05T22:09:41-0400,thanks for posting that tophat clip. i just blew hot tea through my nose. 50342,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,63,Cecil,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-05T22:28:29-0400,"jason wrote: Dammit Andrew!!!! I cannot erase that s&*t... However Big Daddy Kane makes up for it. Well played. On a serious note, i cannot believe this video is real... Click to expand... wait a minute...aslbuck, Jason, and L donkey posting on the same topic. I had to check the date because I thought it might be 2009...must be some serious shit" 50344,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,64,Latte,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-05T22:43:35-0400,"The top hat is a bit much, but I still rather watch him over Joel." 50346,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,65,FirstPointEric,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-05T23:45:01-0400,"aslbuck wrote: Joe can clearly surf well, but I'd like to see him try all that HP crap on a true log. And the ""I-should've-been-a-male-model"" photography in the videos is just so ridiculous and doesn't help make his case. Click to expand... While I agree with your assessment of him trying to hard, I don't think his boards qualify as HP. He is riding proper logs. He is just doing so with a certain aura of doucheyness. Click to expand... Yep. It appears that douchebaggery is his forte. Eric" 50349,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,66,Chilly Willy,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T00:57:02-0400,"FirstPointEric wrote: Trying too damn hard. I mean, doesn't Joe realize that Slash kinda owns the whole top hat thing? And after 25 years, it's kind of played? Click to expand... Slash? Ha ha... I'd say that getup is way less Slash and much more Willy Wonka. Image processing. Refresh page to view" 50350,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,67,applekat,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T01:59:23-0400,"Sonofabitch--I can't help myself... S'like an effin' drug: Image processing. Refresh page to view (Style.)" 50360,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,68,Salty,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T04:07:56-0400,". Attached files Image processing. Refresh page to view" 50366,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,69,bing_nose,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T04:34:08-0400,"probably because Joel doesn't like this guys attitude or surfing - I remember him talking in ""one california day"" about earning respect from the big boys in his area. The contest is called ""the Joel Tudor Duct Tape Invitational series"" - he can invite whoever he wants - that's why its his contest. Just read any interview with him (I agree on most of his points) and you'll see why this guy doesn't get an invite http://www.surfermag.com/features/joel-tudor-unfiltered/" 50369,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,70,applekat,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T04:43:43-0400,"bing_nose wrote: probably because Joel doesn't like this guys attitude or surfing - I remember him talking in ""one california day"" about earning respect from the big boys in his area. The contest is called ""the Joel Tudor Duct Tape Invitational series"" - he can invite whoever he wants - that's why its his contest. Just read any interview with him (I agree on most of his points) and you'll see why this guy doesn't get an invite http://www.surfermag.com/features/joel-tudor-unfiltered/ Click to expand... EXACTLY. It's an EFFIN INVITational. ...Christ..he could invite ME. (**Vegas odds currently skyrocketing**)" 50370,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,71,dewey,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T04:44:21-0400,"Joel vs Joe....Who gives a shit its Joel's contest he can invite anyone he wants. dewey" 50372,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,72,Latte,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T04:48:18-0400,"bing_nose wrote: probably because Joel doesn't like this guys attitude or surfing - I remember him talking in ""one california day"" about earning respect from the big boys in his area. The contest is called ""the Joel Tudor Duct Tape Invitational series"" - he can invite whoever he wants - that's why its his contest. Just read any interview with him (I agree on most of his points) and you'll see why this guy doesn't get an invite http://www.surfermag.com/features/joel-tudor-unfiltered/ Click to expand... Yep its his contest...Thats hard to argue. However on the unflitered article. First statment/question - He mentions about HPLB going away and how logs should be ridden proper way. In the fifth statement/question - He says "" Surfing is everything, it’s not just one thing. And you can accomplish all of it; you don’t have to ride one piece of equipment, which now everyone’s kind of doing"" I see a little bit on contradiction there." 50373,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,73,bing_nose,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T05:00:00-0400,"Latte - ya I can see that but that's the thing that I've always thought was so great about JT - he seems to be able to surf every board (that you would want to surf) really well and was doing it before it became this big thing it has in the last 5 or so years - egg, fish, log, etc. I think I read once that he started doing that because certain breaks required certain boards - now its become fashionable to surf a twinzer, bonzer and log at your local break. I've gotta be honest before this post I have never heard of Joe Aaron, but I've known about loggers like A. Knost because of flicks like Sprout that came out 5 years ago - I'm on the East Coast though like you." 50376,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,74,Latte,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T05:21:04-0400,"bing_nose wrote: Latte - ya I can see that but that's the thing that I've always thought was so great about JT - he seems to be able to surf every board (that you would want to surf) really well and was doing it before it became this big thing it has in the last 5 or so years - egg, fish, log, etc. I think I read once that he started doing that because certain breaks required certain boards - now its become fashionable to surf a twinzer, bonzer and log at your local break. I've gotta be honest before this post I have never heard of Joe Aaron, but I've known about loggers like A. Knost because of flicks like Sprout that came out 5 years ago - I'm on the East Coast though like you. Click to expand... Point, the guy can surf and I may have helped bring 'alt' shapes to the mainstream. Ok fine...I will not say anything negative about that. However He is a bit contradictive, non the less. Here is a blanket statement that I stand behind. If you really give a sh1t about what other people are riding and how they are riding it (stylistically speaking) you have something wrong with your self, Period... You probably have other issues going on as well. Thats goes for world champs to forum hodad." 50377,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,75,houseofsuffering,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T05:49:15-0400,"Latte wrote: Here is a blanket statement that I stand behind. If you really give a sh1t about what other people are riding and how they are riding it (stylistically speaking) you have something wrong with your self, Period... You probably have other issues going on as well.  Thats goes for world champs to forum hodad. Click to expand... Well, then I guess I have something wrong with me because I have to be honest, I threw up in my mouth a little bit after watching this clip:" 50380,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,76,surferchic5555,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T06:01:06-0400,"I have met Joe Aaron several times over the years at an annual amateur beach film festival. He & his younger brother would submit videos they shot & edited & they were always spectacular. Joe & his bro were always respectful, intelligent, articulate, engaging, polite, and extremely grateful for any kind words people said to them. It was not an act. Their behavior was genuine. I was very impressed by this as most teenagers - especially ones way more talented than their peers - can often act like jerks. Their father was there pushing autographed posters & he couldn't understand why I kept saying no thank you to one. (I was like 35 years old - what was I gonna do with it? Hang it up in my room?) Joe Aaron's surfing is some of the most unreal skills & talent I've seen in a very long time - dare I say since Tudor - or Knost. This video of Joel vs Joe is stupid because if Joe wants an invite from Joel, he should try a friendly conversation, not an adversarial tact. Maybe he tried other ways & was ignored so now he's trying to create conflict to get attention? Again - doesn't seem wise IMO. Joe Aaron is also an artist, musician, shaper, etc. He's got a lot of tricks in his bag - loads of talent. That Mondrian thing is just his signature look I suppose, as it is present on his boards, paintings, etc. I've never been fond of top hats. But whatevs to each his own I guess. As a side note - the first time I ever saw Tudor out surfing, he was cursing F this F that all over the place. Just gave me an impression he was really bitter or rude or thought he was so cool. It was a turn off. Complete opposite of my first meeting with Joe Aaron." 50383,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,77,Latte,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T06:11:06-0400,"houseofsuffering wrote: Latte wrote: Here is a blanket statement that I stand behind. If you really give a sh1t about what other people are riding and how they are riding it (stylistically speaking) you have something wrong with your self, Period... You probably have other issues going on as well. Thats goes for world champs to forum hodad. Click to expand... Well, then I guess I have something wrong with me because I have to be honest, I threw up in my mouth a little bit after watching this clip: Click to expand... Aghh...:? 1. There is no surfing in that video, and yeah thats not my thing either, I'm with you on that. Some musicians I know that are trying to pimp themselves are way more pretentious than that. To me the pimping 'hey look at me' kind of thing these guys are doing is childs play. If you guys dislike that you would F-in hate some of the people a music trade show. 2. Liking or not liking something and actually giving a sh1t about what people are riding (stylistically) are 2 different things. I'm not into SUPs but I don't care if folks ride them (I only care when they are abusing the flotation) If all SUPers rode them in a 'kooky style' or in a way that I prefer not to see per say I would not care at all." 50386,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,78,surferchic5555,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T06:18:50-0400,"houseofsuffering wrote: Latte wrote: Here is a blanket statement that I stand behind. If you really give a sh1t about what other people are riding and how they are riding it (stylistically speaking) you have something wrong with your self, Period... You probably have other issues going on as well.  Thats goes for world champs to forum hodad. Click to expand... Well, then I guess I have something wrong with me because I have to be honest, I threw up in my mouth a little bit after watching this clip: Click to expand... oh my gosh. Yes this video is douchey. It's really hard for any emerging artist to get press so I get why they are trying so hard to promote themselves, but the vid is lame & poor Jordan sounded like he was having a stroke on the air because he was so nervous. I mean they had nothing to say! What does their art mean to them? What are their inspirations? What is their style? How do they work together when creating art? Ugh, they should have been better prepped." 50387,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,79,pilau,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T06:38:56-0400,"junkyard + goats + tophats + slowmo = art/profit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQc8OgPs46Q" 50388,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,80,bing_nose,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T06:57:57-0400,"I'm just not sure why he isn't comparing himself to some of the other people that are in the contest rather than the guy that is holding - Tudor doesn't even surf these contests? This ""art"" isn't really coming off authentic or genuine to me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=LQc8OgPs46Q&t=493 Where as I'll watch something with one of the other competitors like Knost talk about their creative outlets http://vimeo.com/desillusion/thisisalex#t=188 and I can tell they genuinely are interested in studying form or shape and not doing it as a side show." 50390,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,81,Guest,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T07:06:36-0400,"surferchic5555 wrote: I have met Joe Aaron several times over the years at an annual amateur beach film festival. He & his younger brother would submit videos they shot & edited & they were always spectacular. Joe & his bro were always respectful, intelligent, articulate, engaging, polite, and extremely grateful for any kind words people said to them. It was not an act. Their behavior was genuine. I was very impressed by this as most teenagers - especially ones way more talented than their peers - can often act like jerks. Their father was there pushing autographed posters & he couldn't understand why I kept saying no thank you to one. (I was like 35 years old - what was I gonna do with it? Hang it up in my room?) Joe Aaron's surfing is some of the most unreal skills & talent I've seen in a very long time - dare I say since Tudor - or Knost. This video of Joel vs Joe is stupid because if Joe wants an invite from Joel, he should try a friendly conversation, not an adversarial tact. Maybe he tried other ways & was ignored so now he's trying to create conflict to get attention? Again - doesn't seem wise IMO. Joe Aaron is also an artist, musician, shaper, etc. He's got a lot of tricks in his bag - loads of talent. That Mondrian thing is just his signature look I suppose, as it is present on his boards, paintings, etc. I've never been fond of top hats. But whatevs to each his own I guess. As a side note - the first time I ever saw Tudor out surfing, he was cursing F this F that all over the place. Just gave me an impression he was really bitter or rude or thought he was so cool. It was a turn off. Complete opposite of my first meeting with Joe Aaron. Click to expand... Never met Joe Aaron but Joel is cool. You may have caught him on a bad day. Shared waves with him in Cardiff and at La Jolla Shores on more than one occasion and he has always been gracious,shared waves, and talked story. A lot of people have said similar things about Skip. Same with him. After talking with him several times and sharing waves and showing respect you get to see how they really are. Skip is a good guy too." 50392,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,82,SeniorGrom,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T07:24:34-0400,"The Duct Tape Invitational is attempting to bring something that is missing on the professional ""shortboard"" tour. It's somewhat goofy but with fun and stoke. I watch many of the WCT live webcasts. There is no question the top 34 have earned their way. Very competetive......and it's not longboarding. I'm glad there's room for both. There might even be room for Joe/Joel." 50395,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,83,surferchic5555,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:15:19-0400,"SMUKES wrote: now let's see him surf pipe. Click to expand... It's def not Pipe but here is the kid on a double overhead wave - at 3:17. Couldnt find much else on him in big surf. One thing I always liked about Tudor & other great surfers is when they branch out & ride all kinds of craft in all kinds of surf. One of my all time favorite well-rounded surfers is is Chris Del Moro." 50396,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,84,Komaiaboyz,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:29:21-0400,That girl interviewing the guy is hot 50397,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,85,aslbuck,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:30:32-0400,"surferchic5555 wrote: SMUKES wrote: now let's see him surf pipe. Click to expand... It's def not Pipe but here is the kid on a double overhead wave - at 3:17. Couldnt find much else on him in big surf. One thing I always liked about Tudor & other great surfers is when they branch out & ride all kinds of craft in all kinds of surf. One of my all time favorite well-rounded surfers is is Chris Del Moro. Click to expand... He just went straight on that wave. Not that I might not have done the same, but either way I would have left that wave out of the video. Did anyone else who watched any of this video see his face with overly emphasized blue eyes flash on the screen around 3:44? Maybe I am seeing things." 50398,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,86,Komaiaboyz,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:32:35-0400,"Joe aaron is riding a single fin, but I doubt its a 30lb log that is the requirement for the Duct Tape, based on an interview I watched with Joel describing his invitational, that is IN VITA TION AL. I guess Joe is not In. And I wrote in a vote for Al for OC Surfer of the Year. LOL" 50399,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,87,Wade In The Waves,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:43:50-0400,"There are plenty of amazing local longboarders that did not get invited. I wondered the same thing, but it is an invitational. Cut and dry. I do not know Joe, but have seen his videos pop up before, and have been in the water with him one time. He kept inside and didn't hog waves (and he was being filmed). Usually when we get the longboarders that are in the in crowd, we don't get waves due to their rotation. There is nothing worse than not being able to catch waves on your break because a few people have the privilege of surfing all of the time vice working and decide they need every wave. To close things up, Joe getting invited or not, I think he got what he or his dad was looking for. Look at how many pages this is on this forum alone. Do you think that he got some of the publicity that he was looking for? I think so." 50400,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,88,Ticowannabe,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:45:37-0400,"surferchic5555 wrote: I have met Joe Aaron several times over the years at an annual amateur beach film festival. He & his younger brother would submit videos they shot & edited & they were always spectacular. Joe & his bro were always respectful, intelligent, articulate, engaging, polite, and extremely grateful for any kind words people said to them. It was not an act. Their behavior was genuine. I was very impressed by this as most teenagers - especially ones way more talented than their peers - can often act like jerks. Their father was there pushing autographed posters & he couldn't understand why I kept saying no thank you to one. (I was like 35 years old - what was I gonna do with it? Hang it up in my room?) Joe Aaron's surfing is some of the most unreal skills & talent I've seen in a very long time - dare I say since Tudor - or Knost. This video of Joel vs Joe is stupid because if Joe wants an invite from Joel, he should try a friendly conversation, not an adversarial tact. Maybe he tried other ways & was ignored so now he's trying to create conflict to get attention? Again - doesn't seem wise IMO. Joe Aaron is also an artist, musician, shaper, etc. He's got a lot of tricks in his bag - loads of talent. That Mondrian thing is just his signature look I suppose, as it is present on his boards, paintings, etc. I've never been fond of top hats. But whatevs to each his own I guess. As a side note - the first time I ever saw Tudor out surfing, he was cursing F this F that all over the place. Just gave me an impression he was really bitter or rude or thought he was so cool. It was a turn off. Complete opposite of my first meeting with Joe Aaron. Click to expand... SC5555, the above pretty much illustrates my feelings on the topic but i, like most, don't have any personal insight or contact so it's good to hear. 1. Kids a surfer...hell that's off center already 2. Kids an artist....see above 3. Kids a kid...more of the above As an older guy it always surprises me when i see how judgmental we can be on here regarding other surfers lifestyles...goddamn hipsters, goddamn style...as if we really know it from some clips etc... really reminds me of my dad back in the day...goddamn hippeis... goddamn hair... goddamn music pro surfers have always been an 1/8 off bubble...going for a look and an attitude to differentiate themselves from a lot of the rest of the culture ...to me this s&*t is no different (except for the very few super good surfers who did not want to make their living doing it) hell even Duke whored himself out a bit...ok a lot ...and i idolize him ...hell deify (can those 2 words go together?) comparison video, cheesy, but it has us talking about him (even bad press...) Damn...i wish i could surf like Joe...maybe without the ballet...but i'd keep the pelvic thrusts in my routine and the Fabio hair flips...chicks dig it" 50401,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,89,unfrozencaveman,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:49:10-0400,"that human with the long curly hair rips though i do not think i would like to hang out with him during my personal time" 50402,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,90,dingdong,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:53:47-0400,now I want to see a Tico/joe hip thust hair flip video battle! 50403,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,91,Ticowannabe,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T09:55:39-0400,i'd rock it...but he'd kick my ass in all the other categories :? 50405,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,92,Guest,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T10:38:31-0400,"Joe should be happy he is in this band. AM I RIGHT? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJO3ROT-A4E" 50407,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,93,einsteinqrockefeller,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T10:45:30-0400,The forced theatrics make me think he's the kind of kid that looks at himself in the mirror while he masterbates. 50408,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,94,FirstPointEric,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T10:59:59-0400,"einsteinqrockefeller wrote: The forced theatrics make me think he's the kind of kid that looks at himself in the mirror while he masterbates. Click to expand... +100. Wow. Most impressive, Albert. :shock: Eric" 50409,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,95,PeakMaster,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T11:30:22-0400,"Say what we will about the douche approach, bogus art, top hat and costumes...the kid has 100% natural talent so lose the jealousy factor straight up." 50410,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,96,Ticowannabe,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T11:38:08-0400,"PeakMaster wrote: Say what we will about the douche approach, bogus art, top hat and costumes...the kid has 100% natural talent so lose the jealousy factor straight up. Click to expand... +100 Peak!!!" 50411,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,97,ruckus,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T11:41:33-0400,"PeakMaster wrote: Say what we will about the douche approach, bogus art, top hat and costumes...the kid has 100% natural talent so lose the jealousy factor straight up. Click to expand... Seems like his talent is taking him just so far. Now, if he were to lose his self absorbed nature ..." 50412,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,98,Finward,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T11:41:40-0400,"PeakMaster wrote: Say what we will about the douche approach, bogus art, top hat and costumes...the kid has 100% natural talent so lose the jealousy factor straight up. Click to expand... EXACTLY" 50414,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,99,luetgenau,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T12:36:25-0400,"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ00laVt62c look at how funky he is - Top t(Hat)" 50418,542,The Joel Tudor vs. Joe Aaron thing,100,Wade In The Waves,"Aug 6, 2013",2013-08-06T14:31:21-0400,"Peakmaster, we have to stop agreeing on stuff. Kid can surf."