{"database": "surfing", "table": "posts", "is_view": false, "human_description_en": "where thread_id = 4461", "rows": [["123743", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 1, "newlyn", "Oct 29, 2017", "2017-10-29T12:12:56-0400", "Thinking about ordering a SVM (aka Plain Jane).  Who should I get one from?  Bruce Fowler or Scott Anderson?"], ["123747", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 2, "surflax", "Oct 29, 2017", "2017-10-29T14:28:34-0400", "Been thinking about a Plain Jane for a bit as well. I've emailed back and forth with Bruce and he has been very helpful and answered all my questions.   Used ones are mostly are out west and coordinating shipping is a process and a bit costly. I'm getting close to going right to Bruce as he's capable of handling everything. FWIW kpd pointed me to a real nice one on Craigs in Santa Barbara today..."], ["123754", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 3, "newlyn", "Oct 29, 2017", "2017-10-29T15:53:49-0400", "Surflax, where are you in PA? Maybe we could get a deal on shipping for two."], ["123755", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 4, "ekim", "Oct 29, 2017", "2017-10-29T16:13:20-0400", "Bruce does Amtrak. The cheapest way to ship. Call Amtrak Santa barbera and get a quote to your zip."], ["123759", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 5, "surflax", "Oct 29, 2017", "2017-10-29T16:42:51-0400", "I'm in willow Grove, just outside philly"], ["123773", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 6, "newlyn", "Oct 29, 2017", "2017-10-29T19:48:37-0400", "I am in Wynnewood, so not too far you.  I am not quite ready to jump yet, but maybe soon."], ["123815", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 7, "pintail", "Oct 31, 2017", "2017-10-31T10:12:26-0400", "Get it from Bruce."], ["123851", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 8, "McQuad", "Nov 1, 2017", "2017-10-31T22:55:00-0400", "Not a fan of Bruce. Terrible business ethics.  I don't feel like posting the whole story but Ill just say you are waaaayyyy better off with Anderson."], ["123867", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 9, "Tully", "Nov 1, 2017", "2017-11-01T11:45:22-0400", "I replaced my 8' Stoker with an 8' Mitsven Gypsy- thanks Dave! Glassing was terrible on the Stoker. Thanks to my 9' Fish Simmons it's collecting dust..."], ["123871", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 10, "ekim", "Nov 1, 2017", "2017-11-01T12:49:27-0400", "Bruce uses Bob Haakenson glassing. No problem there."], ["123875", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 11, "newlyn", "Nov 1, 2017", "2017-11-01T13:28:13-0400", "Looks like I will order a custom from Bruce.  Now I just have to decide what I want it to look like.  My last board (JP Hustler) was clear/white, so I am feeling a little color this time.  Happy to hear suggestions.  Seems like an arch may be called for too."], ["123877", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 12, "newlyn", "Nov 1, 2017", "2017-11-01T13:49:45-0400", "Tully said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I replaced my 8' Stoker with an 8' Mitsven Gypsy- ... Thanks to my 9' Fish Simmons it's collecting dust...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nView attachment 4196\n\n\nView attachment 4197\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nTully, are you suggesting you might want to sell the Mitsven?"], ["123882", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 13, "Tully", "Nov 1, 2017", "2017-11-01T16:32:24-0400", "newlyn said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Tully, are you suggesting you might want to sell the Mitsven?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI wasn't, but have thought about it. I'd need to give Dave DKNJ first crack..."], ["123940", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 14, "newlyn", "Nov 2, 2017", "2017-11-02T19:29:52-0400", "Tully said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Glassing was terrible on the Stoker\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nTully, do you know who glassed your Stoker?"], ["123943", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 15, "Tully", "Nov 3, 2017", "2017-11-02T20:02:47-0400", "newlyn said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Tully, do you know who glassed your Stoker?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNot sure, I bought it in Jan 2014.  It was damaged in shipping, so I had it professionally repaired and the guy pointed out the glassing/sanding job... You can see the sand throughs discolored in the pic i posted."], ["123946", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 16, "dingdong", "Nov 3, 2017", "2017-11-03T00:19:48-0400", "I think bruce uses hakkesan for glassing, the couple of color boards I got from him...were disappointing glassing wise...get the arch for sure!"], ["123957", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 17, "newlyn", "Nov 3, 2017", "2017-11-03T11:41:53-0400", "dingdong said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I think bruce uses hakkesan for glassing, the couple of color boards I got from him...were disappointing glassing wise...get the arch for sure!\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nDingdong, can you elaborate on the color issues?  I kinda had my heart set on a resin tint, so perhaps this suggests I should go to Scott?"], ["123966", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 18, "dingdong", "Nov 3, 2017", "2017-11-03T15:27:23-0400", "It's the usual color story, you ask for one color and you get something else. Also the tint that came looked super weak, as if they barely put any color into the tint, and the overall quality was disappointing. Clear white with an arch orders (I had a couple like this), were no problem and came out great. I don't know anything about Scott, but Bruce's boards were great, he's got that shape dialed in."], ["123977", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 19, "Mizrachi", "Nov 4, 2017", "2017-11-03T21:39:42-0400", "It might not just be the color request that's not heeded.  Sightpoint and I ordered a pair of customs from Bruce a few years back and our dims were way off.  Board was fun af either way tho."], ["123996", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 20, "newlyn", "Nov 4, 2017", "2017-11-04T17:36:55-0400", "Mizrachi said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Sightpoint and I ordered a pair of customs from Bruce a few years back and our dims were way off.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat's a concern.  I suppose I could just wait until he has a stock 7'6, since it is a common size.  Sounds like trying to order custom size/color may not be the best idea.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOr maybe I should just go to Scott."], ["124007", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 21, "surflax", "Nov 5, 2017", "2017-11-04T22:53:23-0400", "After reaching out to Bruce in early Oct and asking a bunch of ?'s I ordered from Bruce last week. Asked for 7'9'' with black Arch. Doesn't really constitute a custom but couldn't have been easier. Will get to east coast before Thanksgiving."], ["124012", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 22, "Pierpont Scott", "Nov 5, 2017", "2017-11-05T01:30:15-0400", "Haak glass jobs aren' what they used to be.  I hear about it all the time from shapers. Nice guy but I think after 40 years he's burned out on the whole thing."], ["125771", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 23, "sightpoint", "Dec 14, 2017", "2017-12-14T10:40:09-0500", "Just came across this...\n\n\n\n\nhttp://www.stokervmachine.com/history/\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...after trying to find out what was up with this...\n\n\n\n\nhttps://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/sgd/d/new-surfboard-70-sunset/6422580730.html\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...and I found the absence of Fowler's name in the history puzzling.  Bad blood?  Hmmm.  I regret selling my Fowler-shaped Stoker, but as Mizrachi said above, the dims on both of our customs were off.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyone out east know what the deal is with the Sunset board?  Just a couple shaped under their shop label?  Same plan shape or dims as a regular v-machine?  I wrote to them and I'm waiting for an answer."], ["125775", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 24, "surflax", "Dec 14, 2017", "2017-12-14T14:00:26-0500", "I believe that Bruce shaped a number of boards for the Sunset Surf Shack out in MTK. It's a V- Machine / Fountain of Youth-Plain Jane with a Sunset Surf Shack Lam. Good deal at that price."], ["125807", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 25, "sightpoint", "Dec 15, 2017", "2017-12-15T07:32:43-0500", "surflax said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I believe that Bruce shaped a number of boards for the Sunset Surf Shack out in MTK. It's a V- Machine / Fountain of Youth-Plain Jane with a Sunset Surf Shack Lam. Good deal at that price.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThanks, kinda what I was thinking.  Just wanted to be sure it was a v-machine."], ["134960", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 26, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T10:05:30-0400", "sightpoint said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Just came across this...\n\n\n\n\nhttp://www.stokervmachine.com/history/\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...after trying to find out what was up with this...\n\n\n\n\nhttps://newyork.craigslist.org/lgi/sgd/d/new-surfboard-70-sunset/6422580730.html\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n...and I found the absence of Fowler's name in the history puzzling.  Bad blood?  Hmmm.  I regret selling my Fowler-shaped Stoker, but as Mizrachi said above, the dims on both of our customs were off.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyone out east know what the deal is with the Sunset board?  Just a couple shaped under their shop label?  Same plan shape or dims as a regular v-machine?  I wrote to them and I'm waiting for an answer.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["134968", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 27, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T11:25:36-0400", "I just recently joined Jamboards, as the last time I was made aware of the site was years ago and they were not accepting memberships.  Guess the policy changed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n....It's interesting being a 'fly on the wall' tho' hearing your plusses & minusses on past performance, or that your \"glasser is burned out\" or that I'm incapable of getting dims right, or have terrible business ethics, and yadda yadda yadda as the Seinfeld crew would allude to.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThat being said, let's take this opportunity to clear up or at least discuss a few of the comments made in this thread.\n\n\n\n1. Business ethics:  Not sure what my poor performance alludes to, in order to earn such a comment, but my apology for any lack of performance if that is the case.  I always aspire to making every customer satisfied & happy with their purchase as well as the entire process in making their buying decision.  This includes answering multitudes of questions honestly and with as much patience as it takes to satisfy the prospective customer.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere are MANY shapers that close a deal citing quick delivery times or whatever it takes to close the deal, then go about their business as usual, which includes:  procrastination of producing the order, blaming everyone else in the world why your board isn't ready yet (damn glassers, blank company didn't deliver, etc. etc. etc.) ..as I have learned, most of it is CRAP.  Most of these guys are surfers first, shapers second, businessmen last.   I can count on one hand the delays I have subjected my many satisfied customers to and in one case, the poor guy wanted his money back. He was on he East Coast, and I told him he was right, and I didn't have a leg to stand on, that I had NO EXCUSE and I was truly sorry for disappointing him. I sent his deposit back inside of 5 minutes of his request via Paypal.  In the distant past, I have been as guilty as any shaper of those BAD HABITS of not getting the work out entrusted to me by customers..... but that changed over the past 8 years when I was approached and asked to build Stoker V Machines.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n2. Glassjobs:  Not sure which years guys are speaking of for less than acceptable glasswork. That's a serious deal. In the earliest years when I was first approached to do SVM's.... and I want to make it perfectly clear that I wasn't seeking doing boards for Randall Rostoker... he came to me asking to bail him out because Brad Johnson, his long time friend & shaper in Goleta was taking five to eleven months to get guys their boards. Randy ( I still call him that, knowing him from the time he 1st latched onto me as a big brother when he was ten and I was 16) told me he had eight orders and he was bummed because BJ wasn't getting them done and people were screaming at him.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTo be conntnued"], ["134969", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 28, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T11:26:49-0400", "Continuation due to word count limits:\n\n\n\nTo make this long story shorter, bottom line was I agreed to make them, then banged out 2 he was begging me for, which I did in a turnaround of 18 hrs. start to finish and he & his driver met me at the SB Airport for a hand off as I was headed to Mexico with my wife.  When I got back I figured out how to make them, which there is always a learning curve when you do something out of the norm.  Rostoker wanted to sell them for $450 and pocket $100, and the only way I could do that was build them 100% on my own in my garage in Solvang.  For the first couple years, that's where ALL of them were built..... I bank rolled the whole thing, and as business grew it became a massive overload in my garage set up including having to sand in my shaping room. During that time I also became afflicted with SLEEP APNEA, which if any of you have ever lived through that, it is one exhausting experience! Although I have glassed a helluva lotta boards since I was 15 or so....... first doing my own and a lot of Bradbury shapes, then later owning my own factory \"The Surfing Underground\" in the Radon Boatyard, where I worked briefly building Radon Boats with the Radon boys. But during that Stoker startup time period, I can't say I did my best glasswork, thank god the overall package that people received was good enough for me to build the business and make the jump to having Haakenson glass them after the initial first two years.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBottom line on glassing:  Haakenson is doing excellent work now.  Not sure what happened on the clear one mentioned here nor the color work someone else wasn't happy with, but Bob still glasses a lot of Channel Islands and they have very stringent QC on all of those boards.  To add to that, Yater has all his work now done through Bob's factory. He is quietly shaping there, but does not want to make that widely known so please respect Renny's privacy.  I have known him for many years, and at 85, I am still in awe of his work ethic, which I believe in and aspire to stand up to by comparison.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n3.  The Stoker website:  \"The Real Story Behind the Stoke\".\n\n\n\nWell now, that's an interesting recall of how things went. It might be suggested that there is some \"bad blood\" between stoker & myself, and I would be hard pressed if I denied that there are definitely some less than warm & fuzzy feelings between us.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIf you read his story, he has himself set up with making one of the first shortboards ever with his teacher from \"The Deveraux School\" which he calls a 'private school' located on Coal Oil Point (Deveraux) just north of Isla Vista.  His inspiration is seeing GG's \"Innermost Limits of Pure Fun\".  Jeff Kruthers, his teacher at Deveraux, worked for Bing for a time when he lived down south, but by his own admisison, was never a career shaper. He worked with his wife Wendy at \"The Chart House\" and at Deveraux before progressing to Real Estate and becoming parcel owners at Hollister. Jeff owns a longboard I shaped him that he told me \"it is the best surfboard I have ever had along with one Brewer\".  He has had that board for years, which got a radical twist in it from being stuffed somewhere on a hot day, and he told me it seemed like it worked EVEN BETTER, then he ordered another one from me asking if I could duplicate the twist in it somehow!  He also rides a 7'4\" V Machine that I made him that he knee paddles because he has rotator cuff issues that don't allow him to prone paddle anymore. He can knee paddle the 7'4\" because, unlike so many of us, he still weighs the same weight as in high school and he told me he can still wear his PV Surf club jacket!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBut, the point here...... oh, yeah, bad blood.... Randy, Randall, Rostoker, Rodstroker, Stokie....... whatever you wanna call him, decided because of our rift, he would leave 7+ years of my hard work, bankrolling, shaping, redesigning what I consider a knockoff of \"The Gypsy\" (which was one of the pictures hanging on his wall in his I.V. cubby apartment next to a foto of me by Steve Bissell with hair down past my wazoo)... anyway..... as his enabling buddy Matt Wessen said \"I've seen this thing just sit and quagmire for 15+ years or something, and it never got a life until you got involved.\"  So, when you help out a friend that approaches you..... the same kid that rode my coat tails from age ten, rode in my car to every surf, came along with me when I was invited to a very small screening of George's rough cut of \"Echoes\" with 6 or 7 of us there in Montecito including Nat and I think it was Alby (Falzon)..... oh, and also having Randall LIVE under my parents roof when he fell upon hard times........ well, I think you get the picture.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAs one of our very close friends that has known both of us forever, she said \"c'mon Bruce, you know Randy, never a bad word for anyone, but he has always been a leach, he's spent his life mooching off of you\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCut me out of your convenient truth, but the history is there, documented, matter of record of countless guys (and women for that matter) ripping on boards that I shaped, refined, and made available to people worldwide while doing everything from soup to nuts, A to Z, answering all the questions, shaping, building 100% until I could hand off to Haakenson, running boards in to Hawk's, picking them up, packing, shipping, handling all deposits, keeping customers regularly in the loop (not something all shapers are famous for)...... promoting \"HIS\" so called design while building his brand. There wasn't ONE of those guys around doing it next to me....... they were at the beach surfing & working on their tan. The reason his label/brand took off was there was finally someone that worked at it like a job..... me.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo when I was told \"Randall's surfboard company\", \"Stokie's surfboard design\" I clarified it a few times for people and said \"What surfboard company\"? To the best of my knowledge Randall has never shaped a surfboard. Where is his surfboard company? You mean my place, Haakenson's or Anderson's? Business license? Tax returns for all those checks I paid him after we agreed to $50 per \"Label Royalty\"?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nClarification\n: Randall Rostoker owns a LABEL. He \n\"popularized\n\" a shape that has been commonplace since the late 60's or early 70's....... how many surfboards did you see or ride that had a nose rocker of 4' to 5\", flat bottom with some vee in the tail, wide rounded diamond or something similar around 20\", 21\" 22\"? I mean, you stick a logo on it and that becomes \nYOUR\n design?  I don't think so.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRandy is a talker, not a shaper.  He's a nice guy with his own m.o. - a very easy to like guy that for whatever reason everyone ends up feeling obligated to help him.  I'm like a big brother to him and I see it differently, I once said all his enablers remind me of the story \"The Emperor's New Clothes\".  Seems to me he's helping himself just plenty. I got fed up.... I'm the little kid in the story that saw the Emperor parade down the street buck naked. It's just a matter of perspective on what you wanna believe. For a guy that has lived off the gov't. tit and his dad's social security he has done just fine, but when you forget to thank people that are making your life immeasurably better, enabling you to live a pretty carefree lifestyle traveling & surfing every day there are waves... - by working their ass off putting money in your pocket for doing nothing..... well, how would you feel?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOkay, so I didn't wanna make this a goddamn novel, but so much for my introduction to Jamboards. Maybe they will blackball me after this,, but I'm trying to be as honest and as fair as I can be.  It just seems to me an unkind cut to be left out of...... uh,\"the real truth\" when the historical record everywhere else says different. Just figure I'm a historian of surfboards that's been shaping for over fifty years, and I have difficulty when someone gets a logo, no matter how cool or not the logo is, then decides to hijack a known surfboard shape and claim it as their own design. I mean, c'mon are you really drinking the kool aid, really?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAt the end of the day, the thousands of dollars in \"Label Royalty\" checks, the promotion & brand building, the shipping worldwide, the built up following and believers in this approach to riding waves...... all of it..... it would have been enough to just have some grace and say \"Thank You for making it easier than ever before to sell the boards I ride with MY label\"......... and that is regardless of WHO makes them.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNot spell checked, but you can read between the lines, I gotta get in the shaping room before it hits 90 degrees.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPeace!"], ["134983", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 29, "SeniorGrom", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T13:08:43-0400", "Welcome to Jamboards.  Seems clear enough to me."], ["134984", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 30, "garagefull", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T13:13:47-0400", "Welcome to the forum. Best post I have read in a long time. I hope you stay around to contribute in the future."], ["134985", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 31, "dingdong", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T13:21:15-0400", "Hey Mr. Fowler!!! I personally I think ordered four boards from Mr. Fowler, great to deal with, excellent communication, boards were never late, the clear ones with arches were top notch, but the one time I tried to order a color, it didn't work out so well, but Mr. Fowler sent me a replacement in no time, good to see you posting here, cheers!"], ["134987", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 32, "poidog", "Aug 1, 2018", "2018-08-01T15:01:07-0400", "My two cents. Ordered a 7'6\" v8 from Bruce about a year and a half ago, no hassle transaction, board shipped cross country to my house, been riding the piss out of it ever since. Love it. Buddy of mine rode it, got instantly addicted to the lift and trim, ordered a 8' in vinylester, he rides the piss out of his, loves it. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWe all have our own stories about shapers, glassers, mine with Bruce was great."], ["135002", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 33, "sightpoint", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-01T20:58:34-0400", "Thanks for the info and history.  Good to know.  Like I said, I'm sorry I sold my Fowler-shaped Stoker."], ["135004", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 34, "jtsfla", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-01T21:04:06-0400", "I can't recommend Bruce enough. I love every board he's made me. Try the V8 out. So much fun."], ["135009", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 35, "Veterano", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-01T22:32:39-0400", "gotta say, BF has been an honest board builder for a long time.\n\n\n\nwhat has Stoker done? nada."], ["135028", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 36, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T11:39:40-0400", "I'll stick around on whatever subjects seem of interest.  Just wanna keep it real.  I forgot to mention a few things and I will be brief here on the previous post..... but it falls along the procrastination, shapers ducking customer's calls about that eternal question \"is my board ready yet?\"..... lol. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPart of my growing up process that has contributed to my modest success and an ever growing following is to grow up, own up, (what have you), to the responsibility a shaper has to his customer.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn recent years I have been told soooo many times from stoked customers that they have never been treated so well by a shaper...... that I actually picked up their call, or got back to them, told them the truth if I had shaped the board yet or not, or when I thought it would be done..... and the vast majority have received their boards quickly compared to what they have experienced in the past.  I explained that the surfboard business has slim margins and is a very difficult business to make a living, much less succeed.  After years of being in the business, the only way I have come to believe it is possible to make any decent money is:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMake a quality product at a fair price, treat your customers like gold, and........... D-E-L-I-V-E-R.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is the same exact thing I tell friends that are in the industry that ask me \"what's your secret\"? or tell me I'm so lucky...... there's no secret and it has nothing to do with luck.  It has to do with being professional, having some skill, and having a work ethic...... I decided I would tell people what I was going to do, then do what I said.  Just do it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nTo sound immodest here for a minute, when I decided to do these things, that's when my business started to flourish while others around me where floundering.  I tried to explain to them that you have to have a \"turn rate\" within each month that will leave some money in your pocket at the end of the month.  You can't do that if you aren't willing to go to work, or talking all day.  The ultimate goal is a 4 time turn rate, meaning an order comes in on Monday and is ready to ship at the end of the week..... that is super hard to do in the surfboard industry!  A 3 time turn rate is viable..... every ten days, you've turned your orders over from start to finish.  You've got to be on the ball and have a hungry glassing crew that is organized to do that.  A 2x turn is more common, but even that isn't the norm because people just aren't hungry or motivated enough. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nInstead you get guys dicking around, blaming everyone but themselves why they haven't done well...... it's China's fault, it's Firewire sticking board's on consignment in every shop possible and flooding the market, it's...... well...... it's everybody else's fault except me. Right?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBullshit.  If you make a good product and you give your customer's a gold standard of service, people still crave that.  You're not gonna be talking about your specific custom needs to Chiang Wah Lu in Beijing, Bangkok, or Hanoi.\n\n\n\nTrump wants to stick tariffs on everything and people are really pissed off about it.  Well, I say that's a two edged sword.  On the one hand, you have everyone pissed because they are thinking as consumers wanting to buy every day goods as cheaply as possible...... but at the same time they're doing that, their neighbor that works in the dwindling manufacturing sector is losing his home.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSomething is wrong with that picture.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThen we hear the argument regarding companies like Harley Davidson moving a portion of their business to China because tariffs on steel will negatively impact them and they can skirt the European tariffs if they deliver from China.  (BTW, I DEAL WITH \"V.A.T.\" (VALUE ADDED TAX) and tariffs every time I ship internationally.... it's not a level playing field, but I have my ways to help those foreign customers as much as possible, and fortunately I continue to get a steady flow from direct international customers.  I also do what I can with shop accounts along the same lines.)\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe United States is the 3rd largest user of steel in the world.  A lot of it is reused sources, but a lot also is imported from China.  Well, what if Harley Davidson and other companies crying that they will be hurt by tariffs were subsidized by the U.S. government and steel mills were revitalized in the same manner while we use American steel to rebuild our decaying infrastructure?  In a sense we are talking about a new, \"NEW DEAL\" to recall the days of Roosevelt. (Pretty sure it was FDR).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSubsidizing our domestic industries is preferable to tariffs or starting a trade war in my book. We have control over how and who we lend a helping hand to at home versus dealing with retaliation and unpredictability from foreign sources.  We need a better plan where the middle class isn't being fleeced at historic highs, and a government that practices good governing instead of politics.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyway, this is starting to ramp up and I've gotta go shape...... I will leave you with this:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn modern history there has never been a nation that has been able to maintain its superpower status without possessing a strong manufacturing base.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n....... USA can't succeed as purely a service economy - it's good for Americans to make things."], ["135045", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 37, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T15:37:02-0400", "Mizrachi said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            It might not just be the color request that's not heeded.  Sightpoint and I ordered a pair of customs from Bruce a few years back and our dims were way off.  Board was fun af either way tho.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWhat do you consider \"way off\"?...... BF\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAdded later:  I thought about this today, and at 66, I still have a pretty good memory. I have pix of your boards and to the best of my knowledge your \"customs\" fell into the category of \"standard dims & liters\" I offer for the Plain Jane aka  SVM's... I can print those up at some point & you will see the most popular models have optional dims within the same length of the boards. For instance the 6'6\"s can come 21.5\"x2.88\" but they also are available 21.65\"x2.75\" and so on.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI didn't want the boards to become total \"cookie cutters\".... as things evolved I offered them with \"Std.\" & \"Winter Foils\".... you could get them in Narrow, Std. Or Wide versions which was a take off from what Dewey Weber offered with the original \"Performer\".  I even remember you could order Yater Spoons with with slight, regular or heavy step decks.  So I'm not saying you are wrong, but it is entirely possible you were referring to my \"being way off\" because you thought the size you ordered was going to be specific dims I had posted for a certain length and width like 21.5 and ended up with 21.65 or whatnot.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAt the end of the day, I want people to understand, that if someone orders a VERY specific CUSTOM from me, that I don't detour from that once we have discussed and made the order.  And I will tell you if a certain width is right or not right for the design you desire.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI have a long respected reputation for being able to faithfully dupe someone's magic surfboard that, for some reason, they cannot get the original shaper to shape another for them.  Perhaps the shaper quit shaping, or worse, the shaper has passed on. To be able to do these requests, you need to be able to park your ego at the door and become a human replicating machine making no value judgements on what the original designer intended. When Renny has been approached for such requests during the 80's, he told them to go down the street to me.  That's a pretty nice nod coming from the man himself. He also trusted my brother to airbrush all their boards in my factory when they lacked the set up to do them in house. Hynson was working out of Yater's for a time, and he had us paint the ibig outrigger stringers on his Red Fins versus them having the weight (& expense) of real lumber."], ["135046", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 38, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T15:40:56-0400", "Pierpont Scott said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Haak glass jobs aren' what they used to be.  I hear about it all the time from shapers. Nice guy but I think after 40 years he's burned out on the whole thing.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNothing could be further from the truth Scott.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI hope this doesn't ruffle your feathers but the way I see it, you have your own agenda and anytime competitors pipe up it is seldom favorable. Yater is very discerning about the quality of his surfboards and they are ALL glassed at Haakenson's.  Wayne Rich, Wilderness (Bob Duncan), and Marc (Andreini) all know & care about the quality of their end product, as do I. Those Greenough 'edge' boards aren't for novice glassers! I saw a new polished one in Bob's yesterday & the thing was beautiful!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOf course all it takes is one off day & one less than perfect board and someone with a big mouth to wreck a good reputation spanning decades... I'm sure you can recall something like that happening to you sometime in the past. Remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. ;-)"], ["135047", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 39, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T15:43:32-0400", "View attachment 20170612_164024.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    sightpoint said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Thanks, kinda what I was thinking.  Just wanted to be sure it was a v-machine.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nCorrect I shaped Sunset Surf Shack a group of \"Private Label\" surfboards including v machines, fun shapes & longboards.  Those are great deals they were offering and they are most likely gone by now.... worth checking on.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nExcuse the foto, the lighting made the board look badly yellowed in the tail section."], ["135049", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 40, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T15:50:37-0400", "newlyn said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Dingdong, can you elaborate on the color issues?  I kinda had my heart set on a resin tint, so perhaps this suggests I should go to Scott?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThe method we use today is for the customer to provide us with \"Pantone\" color numbers. The Pantones are coded and extremely specific samples of every color on the color wheel.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe customer decides if they want it sprayed as an airbrush, or mixed into resin using tints or pigment. (Note: Coloring with resin tints & pigments is difficult & there are some colors that just can't be done as they can be with paint.  You are also prone to showing shaper's marks & foam imperfections when doing resin tints.)  Anyway, the method:  Haakenson uses a laptop computer he purchased so he can mix the color(s) while looking at a high quality retina screen versus us printing out a color sample on white paper.  We found that ink printer cartridges are not as reliable in producing the Pantone color onto paper as the computer screen displaying the Pantone the customer wants duplicated.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWe care deeply about the end result compared to what you order.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHope this helps in your ultimate decision & increases general knowledge."], ["135050", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 41, "surflax", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T16:20:18-0400", "View attachment 7F44C809-3B99-4E26-A855-89645555C271.jpeg\n\n\n\n\n\nGotta tell ya that I can't get enough of this 7'9\" Fowler that I got from Bruce a little while back. There was a major shipping issue and he spent lots of time ironing it out so two East coast guys could get their respective boards ASAP. Haven't ridden anything but this since getting it. Had it out today on Nantucket in the crazy slop that was coming in and it went like crazy on the few corners I was able to find. If you get a chance check one of these things out, well worth your time. Have fun!!!!"], ["135059", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 42, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 2, 2018", "2018-08-02T18:14:54-0400", "AH, the Fed Ex nightmare...... boy did they drop the ball.  Mistaken board returned 3x to the wrong address! The other customer in New Hampshire (if I recall right), finally got his board after A MONTH!.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI spent a good portion of my life calling Fed Ex being told they were connecting me to their special team and it would be handled.  Then as things wore on, they would take the Tracking number and state where it was..... and as it turned out, it wasn't anywhere near where they said but in fact in CALIFORNIA on its way back to ME!??!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPoor board was bounced around locations and thru their forwarding stations like a ping pong ball.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThanks to my \"BF Bomb Proof\" packing that has taken half a dozen years of perfecting, when the customer finally got the board he saw the box and feared the worse.  But the board was in new condition and finally this soap opera nightmare was over.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThey never even offered ANY form of compensation.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHAVE A NICE DAY:  FED EX!"], ["135067", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 43, "Kingkook", "Aug 3, 2018", "2018-08-02T21:02:58-0400", "I haven\u2019t posted in a while, but I\u2019d love to chime in on my awesome experience with Bruce. He answered all of my ridiculous questions with patience and handled everything beyond my expectations.  \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMy board came with a very small shipping ding and he went out of his way to make sure I was satisfied. He remade the board in a couple of weeks and shipped it out quick to accommodate for my upcoming trip. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n I don\u2019t understand how he has time to respond timely to emails and still shape and run his business. His V8 and SVM models just work! A pleasure to deal with. Class act."], ["135073", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 44, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 3, 2018", "2018-08-02T22:06:08-0400", "I always decide in favor of the customer. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhen my internal timer feels like I should have gotten a board to a guy sooner when I'm swamped, I surprise them with something extra like a free fin upgrade or 5 mm quality board bag.  Luckily I don't have to do that frequently as there isn't enough fat to make that a regular habit.... besides, my hustle to become known for fast delivery has been hard earned and I've already explained the concept of 4,3,2,1 time \"turn rate\" in order to make money in this hard, crazy business.  My business model works on making 1K boards per year..... that's 20 boards every week for 50 weeks.  If I can do that, I'm making the kind of living being a career shaper for half a century should be making.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt isn't as easy as one might think to reach that these days.  There are so many forces that want to spoil such a simple straight forward business plan.  Think about it..... a thousand sounds like a lot, but that only equates to 20 shops selling an average one ONE surfboard per week for 50 weeks!  Obviously some shops might sell 3 or 4 in a day when the swell is up where others don't sell anything..... and there are seasonal dealers that actually shut down for the winter..... still, if you only establish 20 dealers (some stores have multiple locations)..... it should seem a cinch.  It's not.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThat's why I always explain what I said earlier that some shapers just don't seem to get, or just don't have the energy or concern:  TREAT YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE GOLD.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAfter all, they PROVIDE YOU YOUR PAYCHECK."], ["135119", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 45, "Wade In The Waves", "Aug 3, 2018", "2018-08-03T17:43:57-0400", "Bruce, your responses show you are a professional. I wasn\u2019t thinking about ordering a new board, but now you have me thinking about ordering one from you."], ["135127", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 46, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 3, 2018", "2018-08-03T19:19:30-0400", "Thank you for the compliment.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhen you are ready, I am here to help you make an informed decision."], ["135137", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 47, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 4, 2018", "2018-08-04T00:50:03-0400", "ekim said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Bruce does Amtrak. The cheapest way to ship. Call Amtrak Santa barbera and get a quote to your zip.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNot sure when this was discussed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAmtrak used to offer great deals when I sent sailboards to the Bay area, Portland Station (for the Gorge) and Seattle...... however, I have been told surfboards will get demolished going \"thru the hub\" Chicago en route to the east.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNOTE\n: I was told that about the hub years ago by Clyde Beatty. Ancient history really, I'm now looking into Amtrak as of tomorrow because I just reviewed their site, and things do change.... definitely worth a look and I will get back to everyone.  I've got two pending orders for V8's since coming on Jamz... and I want to thank people's kind remarks and openess and honest criticism. Constructive criticism IS important!  ;-)\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSince beginning of this year, Fed Ex, which I have a 45% discount as a volume shipper, has jacked their prices significantly for ALL destinations.  So have the trucking companies.  Most likely they have calculated fuel costs among other things and have adjusted their prices accordingly.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe historic problem regarding surfboards is that the freight category isn't fair.  Yes they are a large item, but dimensional weight shouldn't apply to them.  They are the perfect \"top load\" item that should be easy to handle.  I have been told I will get a better rate when stating HEAVIER WEIGHTS and sending multiple boxes like when I send groups of surfboards to places like Saturdays NYC or Sunset Surf Shack out in Montauk.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI will contact Amtrak and see if there is any relief possible and what they have to say about survival thru the hub.  I'm also looking at different trucking companies that have experience with surfboards domestically.  My shipping agent Dolly, who has been in the shipping business for over a quarter century and has worked with many other board companies (Surfy Surfy, etc.) is very knowledgeable esp. when I am shipping internationally dealing with V.A.T. (Value Added Tax) additional handling costs in airports, docks, etc. and...... well...... tariffs.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThen there is also money exchanged that I have had to deal with.  Banks & Credit Unions charge about $35 up front from any international check I deposit into my accounts.  They take it immediately and state it will take \"6 to 8 weeks for processing\" due to currency exchange rates which can change minute to minute.  I have had customers in Vancouver wanting a surfboard send me a deposit using Postal Money Orders or Certified Checks from reputable banks, it doesn't matter..... the charge is still there.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhether Canada, Japan, Australia, Sweden, Western Europe or elsewhere, the easiest most streamlined method for me to receive money is thru Paypal or a similar method.  Western Union is also an option."], ["135140", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 48, "Planktom", "Aug 4, 2018", "2018-08-04T03:22:17-0400", "Good thread, and nice to hear your take on things Bruce.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, getting back to the popular diamond tail vee bottom design (plain Jane? The board formerly referred to as the SVM?), having never seen one in the foam nor ridden one, could you please tell me about the design? Pros, cons, how they surf etc? It seems there's plenty of happy owners, but which boxes are being ticked for them when they ride them?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCheers"], ["135201", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 49, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 5, 2018", "2018-08-05T18:12:00-0400", "Tully said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Not sure, I bought it in Jan 2014.  It was damaged in shipping, so I had it professionally repaired and the guy pointed out the glassing/sanding job... You can see the sand throughs discolored in the pic i posted.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI've been rereading some of this thread, and 2014 more than likely would have been Haakenson by then. It would be easy to tell because his glassing logo would be on it. It would be hard for me to believe Stan (Fuji) sanded it as he has (and still does) sand for Hawk, has been a shaper in the past but has sanded thousands of boards. Maybe it was Hawk and he had a bad day? Or he had a fill in guy during that period. There isn't a lot of turnover, and if you were to walk in and look at the hotcoats on all the boards they look more like gloss coats than most people's hot coats!  They are sanded with 150 grit.... so there's no heavy handed sanding going on there.  Still, they're made by humans, and it's too bad one got thru less than up to standard."], ["135204", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 50, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 5, 2018", "2018-08-05T18:55:00-0400", "Planktom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Good thread, and nice to hear your take on things Bruce.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, getting back to the popular diamond tail vee bottom design (plain Jane? The board formerly referred to as the SVM?), having never seen one in the foam nor ridden one, could you please tell me about the design? Pros, cons, how they surf etc? It seems there's plenty of happy owners, but which boxes are being ticked for them when they ride them?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCheers\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nOh, guess that means me.... lol.\n\n\n\nThe design is an easy to ride go to surfboard for every day waves. In many ways, they appeal to surfers that ride or are looking into fish.  Fish paddle well for their size, they are fast down the line, and for guys that ride longboards that want to get on something shorter & not experience quiver shock or difficulty transitioning, fish are pretty good for that.\n\n\n\n..... the difference between the PJ/VM, whatever you prefer to call them, is that they have ALL the advantages of your typical Fish but not the limitations of most Fish.... which is that they surf flat & skatey. V Machines surf fully 3 dimensional while still paddling easy, getting into waves early, and having tons of straight line trim speed...... the tweaks I put into them over time allows them to carry their speed thru turns & cutbacks quite easily because the foil aka volume distribution upped the horsepower that much more.  And..... this is important, the \"rail rocker\" created by the particular panel vee I put into the boards allow them to carve beautiful full curvy 3 dimensional roundhouse cutbacks..... even for an intermediate surfer.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI've turned beginner to intermediate surfers onto the approach for improving their surfing at an accelerated rate riding these little high performance drivers.  I tell them that they will be able to position themselves back farther on take offs because the boards get in early and have \"speed right off the line\" unlike how you have to build up to terminable speed riding a displacement hull.... after 2 or 3 turns hulls are flying along like a heavy Cadillac with momentum...... the machines are roadsters.... boom! up and blazing.  I also explain to them with all the planing up on top of the water, even in gutless nothing, you can go way out on he shoulder, make what I call a little \"quarter turn\" up the face before punching it hard into your cutback.  What that quarter turn does is free up your outside mid rail by lifting the nose slightly..... once that outside rail is released, and you spank her hard into the cutback, the thing just flies around into one gorgeous career roundhouse.  It takes a few goes to get it down, but I had one college student who had been surfing for a bit over a year embrace this, and his friends were out with him saying \"WHOA!!!  What the hell is he on\"??!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI love helping people like that.  The boards S turn great because it really is what I call a \"Tale of Two Rockers\"...... centerline rocker, and rail rocker..... well, plus what Alan Gibbons mentioned on Sways or somewhere, that I was doing \"something different with the panel vee.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOlder surfers that thought they were relegated to a longboard, over 9 ft. for the rest of their lives also find a new lease on life. I have had so many 60+ guys with hip replacements, back issues, shouler challenges, etc. give these boards a go. Some of the 1st time guys talk it over with me and I recommend a  7'6\"x23-23-1/4\"x3-1/4\"...... float well to 275 lbs. .  But for a lot of those guys, the idea of a 7'6\" is hard to grasp, so I tell them to try a 7'9\"...... that the 8'0\" is really gonna be a LOT of board.  Well, a fair share of them end up going with the 8'0\"...... so a little time goes by and I get a phone call, and it goes like this:  \"hey Bruce, it's Bill, well, first I wanna say I just LOVE the board!  It works exactly the way you said it would BUT, I should have listened to you, about getting it 7'6\", so I've got a buddy lined up already for my 8'0\"  I never dreamed I would be riding a board this short ever again in fact.....\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n......and at this point I fill in what he's about to say \"in fact I think I could go EVEN SHORTER\"..... and we both start laughing.  One guy told me his wife of many years told him it was ok to sleep with his new board next to the bed..... I mean, I'm not making this stuff up..... people do get stoked, and it's like some ad in the old Surfer Magazines.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo yeah, they paddle great, they surf FAST, they don't bog down, I have a clientele that ranges from beginners to pro or retired pro surfers...... from billionaires to guys living in their vans. Old Hawaiian guys that used to be bad ass in Da Hui that are now mellow grandpa's of their Ohana.  Hawaii to NY, Oregon to OZ, Costa Rica to Japan, France, Frankfurt, Finland..... yeah a guy in Finland that found waves when all his friends told him he was nutz.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt's a good trip..... I was always telling people:\n\n\n\nGet Ready For Stoke\n\n\n\nFeel the Stoke\n\n\n\nShare the Stoke.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI guess I can still use that becuz Randall doesn't own the word \"stoked\"...... surfers have been getting stoked or chasing it forever.  I have absolutely no issue with Scott Anderson or anyone else that might make Randall's boards now or in the future.  I'm proud of bringing it to the forefront and stoking out a lot of people that now own quivers of my boards. I have stacks of thank you emails from people saying how glad they are to have discovered my boards, or they share a story, or just write to say job well done.  That's my tip (although some customers do that too.....thanks).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nA thank you goes a long way, and in this day and age of disappearing customer service instead of tuck and cover..... it remains icing on the cake for me."], ["135205", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 51, "newlyn", "Aug 5, 2018", "2018-08-05T19:23:18-0400", "As a follow-up to the original post, I came across a used 7'6 Austin last fall that fit the bill of what I was looking for, so I never ordered a SVM from either Bruce or Scott.  Maybe someday..."], ["135208", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 52, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-05T21:01:11-0400", "No worries, that's your prerogative.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere's lots of cool rides out there that people are trying in what I'm calling \"the age of acceptance\" aka 'open your mind your ass will follow.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, in the wake of that, people have asked how they ride, and I wrote a lengthy reply.... however 1 picture = 1,000 words, so if I can figure out how to post some eye candy, here we go..... wish me luck....this is a test!!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPictured: former pro surfer, uber talented artist Michael De Nichola at an island just off North Sumatra on his painted stock, off the rack BF 6'8\" machine.\n\n\n    \nView attachment MDROPPING.IN.jpg\n\n\nView attachment MDROPPING.IN.jpg\n\n\nView attachment DINICHOLAtrough.jpg\n\n\nView attachment DiNicholaFLAT.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M1.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M2.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M4.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M3.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M5.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M6.jpg\n\n\nView attachment M7CLOSEUP.jpg\n\n\nView attachment DINICHOLAtrough.jpg"], ["135209", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 53, "deemce", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-05T21:20:25-0400", "Great Marketing write up Bruce (no BS).\n\n\n\nNow...does anyone have a 7'6\"x23-23-1/4\"x3-1/4\" they want to part with?"], ["135210", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 54, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-05T21:25:23-0400", "View attachment DancarvingPavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_2307.jpg\n\n    \n Here's Danny DiMauro on his first stock off the rack 6'6\" at Pavones..... he now lives in Bali with his quiver of BF 6'6\" Plain Jane aka v machines.  (Lefts)\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nJohn Chimples from New York Costa Rica vacation (Rights)\n\n\n    \nView attachment 693488FB-88E1-4A1D-9AD6-187B72D2AE16.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAdditional eye candy deck arches which I have been doing since 1970 \n\n\n    \nView attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg\n\n    \n with resin pigments and tints.\n\n\n    \nView attachment 7479\n\n\nView attachment 7479\n\n\nView attachment 7479\n\n\nView attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment DancarvingPavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment DannyDiMauroPavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment 7479\n\n\nView attachment 693488FB-88E1-4A1D-9AD6-187B72D2AE16.jpg\n\n\nView attachment Danny D @ Pavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment 7479\n\n\nView attachment DannyDiMauroPavones.jpg\n\n\nView attachment DannyDiMauroPavones.jpg\n\n    \n H]\n\n\n    \nView attachment 693488FB-88E1-4A1D-9AD6-187B72D2AE16.jpg\n\n\nView attachment 4CB585CC-DDBC-400C-8B8D-78D6B1998242.jpg"], ["135213", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 55, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-05T22:04:48-0400", "View attachment 7483\n\n\nView attachment 7571\n\n\nView attachment 7572\n\n\nView attachment 7570\n\n\nView attachment 7571\n\n\nView attachment 7572\n\n\nView attachment 7483\n\n\nView attachment 7570\n\n\nView attachment 7483\n\n    \n Dang, guess I'm gonna hafta figger howta edit.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPractice makes perfect?\n\n\n    \nView attachment Mr B 6.8\".jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSensitive content, not recommended for those under 18\n\n\nShow Content"], ["135220", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 56, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-06T10:53:45-0400", "View attachment 9.0 FoY Blank.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    Wade In The Waves said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Bruce, your responses show you are a professional. I wasn't thinking about ordering a new board, but now you have me thinking about ordering one from you.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nHere's some information regarding \nDIMS & LITERS\n that will prove helpful for prospective buyers to consider: (or copy cats doing their own).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n5'3\"x20.35\"x2.25\" = 26.5 Liters (L)  Float Well to 175 lbs./79.4kg)\n\n\n\n5'6\"x20.65\"x2.37\" = 29.7 L\n\n\n\n5'6\"x20.50\"x2.50\" = 32.0 L\n\n\n\n5'9\"x20.75\"x2.50\" = 33.1 L\n\n\n\n6'0\"x21.25\"x2.65\" = 37.6 L   (Float Well to 200 lbs./90.7kg)\n\n\n\n6'2\"x21.25\"2.65\" = 39.7 L\n\n\n\n6'3\"x21.25\"x2.65\" = 39.3 L\n\n\n\n6'4\"x21.50\"x2.75\" = 41.7 L\n\n\n\n6'6\"x21.50\"x2.88\" = 46.0 L\n\n\n\n6'6\"x21.65\"x2.85\" = 45.0 L   (Float Well to 225 lbs./102kg)\n\n\n\n6'8\"x21.65\"x2.75\" = 45.5 L\n\n\n\n6'8\"x21.75\"x2.88\" = 46.7 L\n\n\n\n6'9\"x22.25\"x2.88\" = 48.3 L\n\n\n\n6'10\"x21.85\"x2.75\" = 46.8 L\n\n\n\n6'10\"x21.75\"x3.0\"= 50.5 L\n\n\n\n7'0\"x22.25\"x3.0\" = 52.4 L     (Float Well to 250 lbs./113.3kg)\n\n\n\n7'0\"x22.50\"x3.0\" = 52.9 L\n\n\n\n7'3\"x22.75\"3.13\" = 57.9 L\n\n\n\n7'4\"x22.50\"x3.13\" = 57.9 L\n\n\n\n7'4\"x22.75\"x3.13\" = 58.7 L\n\n\n\n7'6\"x23.25\"x3.13\" = 62.3 L    (Float Well to 275 lbs./124.7kg)\n\n\n\n7'9\"x23.65\"x3.0\" = 61.6 L\n\n\n\n8'0\"23.25\"x3.13\" = 65.7 L\n\n\n\n8'0\"x23.50\"x.2.65= 54.5L\n\n\n\n8'0\"x24\"x3.0\" = 64.4 L\n\n\n\n8'0\"x23.50\"x3.38\"= 71.4L  (Float Well 325 lbs./147.4kg)\n\n\n\nAnd some other big daddy's that have been done:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n8'6\"x23.50\"x2.75\"= 62.2L\n\n\n\n8'6\"x23.75\"x2.75\"= 62.8L\n\n\n\n8'6\" x24.0\"x3.25\"  = 69.4L\n\n\n\n9'0\"x24.0 \"x2.75\" = 67.2L\n\n\n\n9'6\"x23.75\"x3.00\" = 77.0L\n\n\n\n10'0\"x23.75\"x3.65\"=98.45L  (Float Well NFL Lineman)\n\n\n\nLots of glide, straight line trim speed, and 3 dimensional surfing with S Turns & Roundhouse cutbacks compared the the 2 dimensional flat & skatey fish.  I have made tnem up to 10'0\""], ["135223", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 57, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-06T12:25:58-0400", "ekim said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Bruce uses Bob Haakenson glassing. No problem there.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nHaakenson does excellent work regardless of some of the comments made or \"misses\" on colorwork people have posted about.  The best way to get what you want when you order from ANY glasser or board company is to be as specific as possible by providing pictures, paint samples, or as I have said elsewhere PANTONE color numbers."], ["135228", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 58, "dingdong", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-06T14:03:36-0400", "Mr. Fowler's description of his plain jane/SVM is spot on, my first one was 6'8 and after riding it about a month or two, I was able to transition down to sub 6' foots boards pretty quickly, its a great midlength transition board, that's just as fun as hell to surf, and you don't need to move on if you don't want, just keep surfing that fun middie"], ["135232", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 59, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-06T14:16:17-0400", "Thanks for the kind words.\n\n\n\nWhen some bigger guys began asking me for shorter versions that would allow them to keep their foam, I created my \"MiniMAX\".  The \"Mini\" is the length, and the \"MAX\" is their girth. They come standard as five fin setup but can be ordered as a tri for guys pinching pennies. I was making them 6'6\" & smaller but then guys wanted me to expand to longer ones which I extended the offering all the way to 7'6\" and informally called the longer ones \"Mega MiniMAX\". Here's some volume stats on them but not inclusive all the way to 7'4\" or 6\"..... gotta get in the shaping room & I'll edit later. A 7'4\" MMX has as much volume as a regular SVM 8'0\".\n\n\n\nHere are some MiniMAX Dims & Volume in Liters:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n5'4\"x23\"x2.88\" = 39.8L\n\n\n\n5'6\"x23\"x3\" = 42L\n\n\n\n5'9\"x22.75\"x3\"= 44L\n\n\n\n5'10\"x23\"x3\" = 46L\n\n\n\n6'0\"x23\"x3\" = 47L\n\n\n\n6'2\"x23\"x3' = 48.6L\n\n\n\n6'3\"x23\"x3\" = 51L\n\n\n\n6'4\"x23\"x3\" = 50L\n\n\n\n6'4\"x23\"x3.13\" = 52L\n\n\n\n6'6\"x23.25\"x3.18\" = 54.6L\n\n\n\n6'6\"x23.25\"x3.25\" = 55.8L\n\n\n\n6'10\"x23.65\"x3.25\" = 59.8L\n\n\n\n\n7'0\"x23.50\"x3.13\" =58.8L     ................. (280lb/127kg)\n\n\n\n7'2\"x23.75\"x3.18  = 61.9L\n\n\n\n7'4\"x24.00\"x3.25\" = 66.5L    ................ (325/148)"], ["135238", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 60, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-06T15:56:00-0400", "deemce said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Great Marketing write up Bruce (no BS).\n\n\n\nNow...does anyone have a 7'6\"x23-23-1/4\"x3-1/4\" they want to part with?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI just ordered varying sizes of the new Arctic ALGAE based sustainable foam. Same whiteness, resistance ot denting, etc. There will be 7'6\"x23.25\"x3.25\" in that first group. These will be laminated with the new Silmar Modified Acrylic Polyester that we started with about 6 months ago. The resin has been extensively tested and netted 40% more strength over the Silmar 249-A that has been used by everyone for the last 40 years.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Modified Acrylic formula resists denting better & stays whiter longer with its UV inhibitors.  \nUPDATE SEPTEMBER 4TH\n: The sustainable algae blanks are being heat tested among other things & must be 110% right before becoming available."], ["135246", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 61, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 6, 2018", "2018-08-06T17:33:38-0400", "How the hell do you do a NEW post on here?  I'm like a kid in his first Soap Box Derby w/o brakes.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyway, I was looking back at my Sway's posts after someone corrected me that I have done a V8 bigger than I stated.  So I'm trying a cut & paste here to see if it works.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nStand back everyone, kids, pleeeeeease don't try this at home!  \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDEADSHAPER\n\n\n\nLast seen: 1 day 52 min ago \n\n\n\nJoined: 03/23/2007 \n\n\n\nPoints: 1061\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is the end result of taking a complete crap blob 10'10\"x32\"x5\"\" thick SUP blank with primitive rocker and making something that can make music. Finished out at 10'2\"x27\"x 4\". and FOILED.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3279.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3285.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3290.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3293.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nlike\n\n\n\n0"], ["135257", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 62, "Makawaosurfer93", "Aug 7, 2018", "2018-08-06T20:53:00-0400", "Bruce Fowler said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHow the hell do you do a NEW post on here?  I'm like a kid in his first Soap Box Derby w/o brakes.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyway, I was looking back at my Sway's posts after someone corrected me that I have done a V8 bigger than I stated.  So I'm trying a cut & paste here to see if it works.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nStand back everyone, kids, pleeeeeease don't try this at home!  \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDEADSHAPER\n\n\n\nLast seen: 1 day 52 min ago \n\n\n\nJoined: 03/23/2007 \n\n\n\nPoints: 1061\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is the end result of taking a complete crap blob 10'10\"x32\"x5\"\" thick SUP blank with primitive rocker and making something that can make music. Finished out at 10'2\"x27\"x 4\". and FOILED.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3279.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3285.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3290.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIMG_3293.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nlike\n\n\n\n0\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nOn the home page of the \"Surfing\" Forum, clock on the huge green box that reads \"Post New Thread\"."], ["135267", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 63, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 7, 2018", "2018-08-06T23:02:37-0400", "Oh.... duh.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI'll give it a try.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMahalo\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n.....what side does the wax go on?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nP.S.  I actually meant post a new statement in an existing thread w/o having to always reply? ;-)"], ["135284", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 64, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 7, 2018", "2018-08-07T13:02:01-0400", "View attachment Shawn's Green Meanie Comp Band.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    ekim said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Bruce does Amtrak. The cheapest way to ship. Call Amtrak Santa barbera and get a quote to your zip.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nAlthough the post is from 2015, I just joined Jamboards, and I am updating some of the information on this thread.  I used to ship quite a few sailboards (and some surfboards) using Amtrak when I was heavily involved in windsurfing production.  I sent boards to the Bay area, Portland & Seattle stations due to their close proximity to the Columbia River Gorge, an epicenter & hotbed of windsurfing.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI called Amtrak yesterday and spoke to their shipping department. They said they ship surfboards and they are not required to be in a shipping carton if they have a good travel bag or are carefully packed.\n\n\n\nI'm out of SBA (Santa Barbara) so I asked for a few quotes.  For a surfboard with a total length packed of ten feet it's $105 to the East Coast..  They can be insured at $1 per $100 up to $2K. This price is probably similar from any West Coast station to the east, not just SB. Delivery takes 4 to 8 days. Phone number required as they call the customer when it arrives.  To Oakland the cost is $65 Portland & Seattleis $85. Seattle is the furthest north for my west coast Canada orders.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFor my deliveries to Southern California, it was interesting to note that I was told that they do not ship surfboards over 7 ft. south of Los Angeles!  Why that is, they didn't say, but it is probably due to heavy passenger traffic to those areas. $65 from SB to Santa Ana, Oceanside or San Diego for 7 dt. Max.  Texas $85.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI asked if it is still $105 if i put two or more surfboards in one box, and the woman answering me said they are supposed to check the contents to make sure they are adequately packed before putting on the train, but that doesn't always happen, but if they found two or more inside the carton it would be $105 each.   She said that they know surfboards well, and that they are light and are placed as top loads from destination to destination.  They are handled similar to baggage and when they are being transferred, they are taken into a baggage room then placed on the next train, same day if possible, and so on.  The recipient of the shipment is called when the surfboard arrives to the closest or desired station.  You have 2 days to pick it up before they begin charging storage,  it is $10 per day.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n(\nNOTE\n: the storage rate was edited/corrected on 9/09/18). Curiously enough the 2 I sent this week were NOT $105 from SBA - both ended up $85 b4 insurance.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI hope this helps anyone traveling east or west with a longboard or if you are trying to get one across country for a reasonable price. I ship quite a bit and this is better than any quotes I have gotten.  Fed Ex has a length limit that nixes longboards, and their 'girth\" requirement is \"length + 2x Width + 2x Height cannot exceed 165\". If it doesn, it turns into \"Freight\" and the price quadruples becoming completely astronomical.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNow that you've lived thru all that, here's pix of my test pilot Shawn Tracht from Central CA riding his new 9'0\" BF Team Model.  Yes, I do make surfboards o\n\n\n    \nView attachment STNOSELOVE.jpg\n\n    \n ther than Plain Jane aka V Machines.\n\n\n    \nView attachment TeamMODELPaddler.jpg\n\n\nView attachment ShawnCutbackLongboard.jpg\n\n\nView attachment ShawnGreenMeanieWithStockers.jpg\n\n\nView attachment Shawn'sNewTeamModel.jpg\n\n\nView attachment Shawn'sGreenMeanieTeamModel.jpg\n\n\nView attachment ShawnGreenMeanieNoseLogo.jpg"], ["135310", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 65, "Macilious", "Aug 8, 2018", "2018-08-08T05:41:16-0400", "Hey Bruce... Welcome.  Mac here better known as the owner of Big Pink.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAfter years of lusting - I finally ordered a Big V8.  Board is just what I wanted.  4+1 set up, funky color, paddles great. The only limitation is the Indian - not the arrow.  But when I can get it goin'... it's a great feeling.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyone in Belmar/Bradley Beach area wants to give it spin holla at ya boy.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nView attachment BIG.PINK4.jpg"], ["135315", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 66, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 8, 2018", "2018-08-08T09:08:56-0400", "Thanks for representing.  That sled being outta EPS/Epoxy is a mega V8 floating machine.  But you're a big boy, so it all made sense to me when you ordered it. THe 9.75\" Greenough might be a bit under but the quads & the surprise fin I sent you should be a fun alternative. Running purely as a single a 10.5 or 11\" wouldn't hurt.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThanks for being generous to others here and offering a test ride!  What a classy act!!  BTW, some Controller type fins as a quad will make that baby go even faster than your \"maybe too fast\" comment you recently sent to me. LMAO."], ["135316", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 67, "Macilious", "Aug 8, 2018", "2018-08-08T10:03:42-0400", "Here's a sexxy pool shot.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI got EXACTLY what I wanted.  Great float, beautiful V bottom and endless fins options.  1st time I paddling out I had that Tom Curren quote in my head something about him \"knowing within 3 paddles if the board was LIVE or not\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nView attachment BIG.PINK3.jpg"], ["135553", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 68, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 13, 2018", "2018-08-13T09:29:57-0400", "Here's some action for those who wish to view.\n\n\n\nShawn Tracht in Central California on his 7'2\" BF V8 V Bottom (not to be confused with the other guy, who decided to name his after my design....... they are \ntotally \ndifferent............... \nmine's better!!! \nLMAO."], ["135589", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 69, "ekim", "Aug 14, 2018", "2018-08-14T04:52:24-0400", "Welcome, Bruce. Glad you're here! Love my 8'6\" V8."], ["135592", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 70, "sk8thom", "Aug 14, 2018", "2018-08-14T07:41:47-0400", "Indeed glad you're here Bruce. Love my 9'2\" V Bottom. Thoughts on wide base vs smaller base for a fin? Stage 6\"?\n\n\n\nThanks in advance."], ["135597", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 71, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 14, 2018", "2018-08-14T11:37:35-0400", "View attachment IMG_2614.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_2617.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_2620.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_2552.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3784.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3238.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3815.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3835.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3817.jpg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    sk8thom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Indeed glad you're here Bruce. Love my 9'2\" V Bottom. Thoughts on wide base vs smaller base for a fin? Stage 6\"?\n\n\n\nThanks in advance.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThe GG6 has a ton of hold although with the deep vee, the consensus has been to run them with sidebiters.  It reminds me of a tiller on a sailboat or the popular \"D Fin\" from the 60's with a big bite taken out of it.  The loss of area at the base offers maneuverability but the 'grip' moves back to where the area is:  in the top half of the fin.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWith the V8's, the Greenough Stage VI works well for guys wanting more power , but it's necessary to play with it in regards to where you place the fin. What would have been the base of a more usual fin, say, like the Greenough Stage IV-A.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe \"high aspect\" of the GG4 is quite different in approach from the GG6..... the 4A has a LOT of base running around 7-1/2\" which generates a lot of speed by creating lateral resistance and directional stability right along the bottom of the board..... in this case, in conjunction with the peak of the panel vee.  The spine of the vee acts like a fin in itself..... something they discovered with the old \"Hotcurl\" boards before Tom Blake came up with a bonafide fin.  Many of the early day fins on those ancient surfboards were more like rails screwed on, more like keels. The Greenough Stage 6 is somewhat keel-ish in its approach due to the long rake from base to trailing edge of fin but it has a higher center of gravity so to speak being that the base is non existant.  How the area is placed is what generates its speed versus the wide, close to bottom of the board base of the GG4-A.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe Greenough Stage IV-A, in my opinion, is the most copied or emulated single fin design in the world. The original inspiration was to look at fish and their fins, in this case, a swordfish, to see what he/she was running.  George is part fish anyway, so it is no surprise he came up with something brilliant so close to home."], ["135603", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 72, "sk8thom", "Aug 14, 2018", "2018-08-14T12:50:45-0400", "Thanks."], ["135619", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 73, "jtsfla", "Aug 15, 2018", "2018-08-14T21:42:51-0400", "The 8.5\" 4A that Bruce sent with my 7'9\" is perfect. All the way up in the box. One of the best boards I've ever owned."], ["135624", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 74, "ekim", "Aug 15, 2018", "2018-08-15T02:17:06-0400", "jtsfla said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The 8.5\" 4A that Bruce sent with my 7'9\" is perfect. All the way up in the box. One of the best boards I've ever owned.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWhen you say \"all the way up\" what is the distance it's running off the tail? I ran a 9\" 4A 12\" of the tail. Worked great. 9.5 4A not so much. 10\" Velzy classic 12\" off the tail is best so far."], ["135625", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 75, "Macilious", "Aug 15, 2018", "2018-08-15T06:09:26-0400", "Sorry for jacking this thread.  No disrespect.  I know it wasn't started as Fowlers, Fins and Fans.  Now since I have apologized, I can go on talking about FFF - b/c Ricky Bobby said it's in the Geneva convention!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNew board rule #1 try the board with the fins/placement the shaper recommends.  BF told me 4A - upfront to start and maybe a Stage VI.  HE also sent me a 4A, as well as, 4+1 set up .  So naturally I put an MD3 mid and then all the way back.  Which was a little loose for me.  Then I went 4 sides.  I was close to dusting off the Turbo Tunnel, but I'll go back to rule #1.  So I'll go 4A up front and then Stage VI..."], ["135668", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 76, "jtsfla", "Aug 16, 2018", "2018-08-15T21:18:02-0400", "ekim said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            When you say \"all the way up\" what is the distance it's running off the tail? I ran a 9\" 4A 12\" of the tail. Worked great. 9.5 4A not so much. 12\" Velzy classic 12\" off the tail is best so far.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nJust measured. Rear edge of fin is at 13.75\" from tip of tail."], ["135674", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 77, "ekim", "Aug 16, 2018", "2018-08-16T02:58:24-0400", "Funny ,BF told me start at 12\" off tail? Seems to work well enough but will try 13.75. That is if the short box will allow it.Mine is an older version, I guess he's putting a long box in V8's now."], ["135680", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 78, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 16, 2018", "2018-08-16T11:01:12-0400", "View attachment IMG_4714.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_2949.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3707.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_2612.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3718.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_4463.jpg\n\n\nView attachment STEP DECK GLASSING STAND.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_4907.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_4821.jpg\n\n\nView attachment IMG_3741.jpg\n\n    \n There's really NO set hard rule for exact placement.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI suggest placement and I did a work up placing the fin boxes relative to the board's length so the fins could NOT be placed farther back like what you might find on many longboards.  I have always emphasized the point that the \"V8\" isn't a longboard, nor should it be ridden \nlike a longboard! \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nControl is gained by riding the boards closer toward center of the board.  As you fudge your foot positioning back, the boards become looser and looser...... I intentionally designed the V8 that way to allow the rider to experiment with the ride.  So looser & looser to the point of squirreliness and even controlled power sliding and inevitable spinout.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYes...... spinout.  This is something I wanted to retain in the design as an homage to the original v bottoms.  Back in the late 60's the boards were dubbed \"spinout queens\" and even \"the boards that didn't work\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nNot a fair statement in my book...... truth is, when G&S picked up Midget's design and produced them in the states, they sold thousands of them, primarily in Florida & the eastern seaboard.  The boards worked really well in 1 to 5 ft. surf. Midget's original board had a deep hatchet fin that he designed to \"promote drift\".  So I stayed true with that in my reworked updated design, then took it further.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhile it is true that everything comes around that goes around that comes around that....... well, you catch my drift (pun intended) this saying doesn't mean you have to confine yourself to making something retro that can't \nexpand upon the original design\n - that's what I state in my original write ups while introducing this design direction.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAt 66, what I have found while walking, running, swimming, surfing the planet is while many things are imaginative or creative, very few things are truly \noriginal.\n  A large part of our lives are what I call \"reruns\".  How many times have you........ driven to work, taken a dump, slept, or eaten a hamburger?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI explain to people that \"I make rides, lots of different rides\" and that variety is my offering that interested parties can study, consider, demo, reject or embrace....... case in point is my \"Platypus Pig\".... I was making these 30+ years ago.  I don't know how old Ryan (Lovelace) is, but I doubt he was shaping in 1985 to '88... but I commend him for his creativity and looking back while pushing his ideas forward.  You have to be brave, or at least have resources to step out of line and make things outside of the box.  I think Ryan and many true surfboard designers would feel as I do, that it is better to have surfers either embrace or reject your design(s) than to be indifferent.  Like my fin recommendations for V8, I have heard comments from guys here on Jamz & elsewhere comment that they \"didn't 'get' their V Bowls until they moved their feet around and found the sweet spot\"....... well, my Platypus doesn't have \nany dead spots, \n but I've had years to work those things out on that particular design. Fin placement on the V8's are kind of like finding the sweet spot on Ryan's design, or anyone else's design for that matter.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYears ago my room mate brought home a beautiful lightweight 7'4\" Barry Kanaiapuni board, and when he let me ride it, for the life of me, I could not get the board going at all..... then my foot hit the right spot and the board was going Mach 4 and I was carving square like BK intended!!!  I can't say that board was \"user friendly\" but man did it rip when surfed the way it was intended.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo, as another friend once said, \"it's the new boards, the new sensations a surfboard offers that keeps you surfing\", and I think there is a lot of truth to that.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nP.S.  Yes, the little V8's originally had 10\" fin boxes in them, but I have changed ALL of them to the 15\" long box to allow more fine tuning with the wide based fins."], ["135717", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 79, "sk8thom", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T07:51:45-0400", "the new boards, the new sensations a surfboard offers that keeps you surfing\", and I think there is a lot of truth to that.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPuts into words why I have 30+ boards and am always switching up depending on conditions, mood, and whim. Riding the same board for a month is a big challenge for me.  Maybe back to one, but which one..........."], ["135721", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 80, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T09:32:40-0400", "Image processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n    \n Well stated.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nVariety is the spice of life for some, but can be a quandary for others. My \"Convertible\" is an attempt to offer the simple man a \"one board quiver\".\n\n\n    \n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["135726", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 81, "SeniorGrom", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T11:01:39-0400", "In all my years......I have NEVER seen this type of self promotion on Jamboards.  If this were Ryan L just checking in to say hi, some on here would be ripping him to shreads!  (With all due respect of course).  Come on Bruce.....over-the-top much?"], ["135728", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 82, "dgarland10", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T11:51:34-0400", "I appreciate getting the shapers thoughts on his boards and his fin recommendations.  If I didn't I simply wouldn't read his posts"], ["135729", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 83, "Pacis", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T12:27:59-0400", "Ahhhh come on SG. Maybe some self promoting ,you can read his positive energy on what he posts .........  Bruce just spilled some of his\n\n\n\n50 + years of knowledge  ............ you had to piss on his rainbow \n\n\n\nPromoting is all part of being SELF employed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBruce thanks for sharing your enthusiasm and knowledge of shaping and designs"], ["135730", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 84, "Freddibetts", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T12:30:16-0400", "SeniorGrom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            In all my years......I have NEVER seen this type of self promotion on Jamboards.  If this were Ryan L just checking in to say hi, some on here would be ripping him to shreads!  (With all due respect of course).  Come on Bruce.....over-the-top much?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nBahaha - thought the same - but i MUST say that V8 is now on my list - so its working"], ["135731", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 85, "SeniorGrom", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T12:33:20-0400", "I like the boards too.  Jamboards now = rainbows & unicorns"], ["135740", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 86, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T13:31:57-0400", "SeniorGrom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            In all my years......I have NEVER seen this type of self promotion on Jamboards.  If this were Ryan L just checking in to say hi, some on here would be ripping him to shreads!  (With all due respect of course).  Come on Bruce.....over-the-top much?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSorry if I'm not operating per the status quo for Jamboards.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThen again, I'm coming from being on Swaylocks - they are structured differently.  If you haven't been on Sways, they have an Industry Section, a Public section that is for DIYer's, & other stuff...... they decided that some of my stuff belonged in the Surfshop section, and Huck actually created a thread \"hoping I would chime in\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhen I first joined Swaylocks a ton of years ago, I was actually told I revitalized the whole site.... that it had grown stagnant and there was a real need for new blood.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIronically, as far as your comment re: Ryan Lovelace.... Ryan is one of the BIGGEST, most savvy self promoters out there.  All the vimeos, travel, website info, shop creation has rapidly accelerated him up the social status as a shaper, which, to be quite honest, some of the most established bonafide longtime shapers I know absolutely hate.  They feel his popularity has far exceeded his actual talent. I think a good amount of the rumbling I've heard is due to jealousy.  Ryan is better at promoting himself while attracting a core of good surfers riding his designs, he is a very artistic individual that lends greatly to his success.  Still, he has his detractors, and I imagine, so do I.  Ever have a friend that wants you to do well, but not as well as them?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n So what else is new in the name of self promotion, legend wannabes, or even legends in their own minds?  If you want to be successful in a self owned surfboard business, you'd best be able to walk the walk and know your sh-t rather than stealing other people's ideas and spewing sound bites.  Christenson cites in an interview how hard he worked for years hoping things would pan out for him.  Andreini has built a strong following over years and ears of dedication in the craft earning a reputation for quality, which I spent time collaborating with Marc on designs after reviving the \"Owl Surfboard\" label then handing if off to him.  If you don't speak up for yourself and share what you know, what has taken decades of trial & error, study in aero & hydrodynamics, endless dollars spent in R&D, it is more than likely the newcomers to the sport will never know much more than what logo looks best and what pro surfer is riding them.\n\n\n\nIf the information seems to be an overload, try to remember it is a culmination of years of R&D, feedback, & personal experience that I am availing to people that started this thread on which shaper they should go to.  I've done my part, the other party can offer up if so desired.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRyan's m.o.  is to put out a low key, non hype cool vibe, but he is also a realist knowing how competitive it is, that's just reality. What I am saying is there are a LOT of hungry people out there competing for a tiny piece of the pie in order to do what they love, much less making a living.  Some people do it for prestige.... kind of a social thing.... they might have other financial means, a trust fund, one of the new popular upstarts has a wine business along with his surfboard label.  On the other side of the fence is a legit guy trying to actually make a go of the business as his sole source of support.  In the current economy that is nearly impossible to do... very sad, but also very true.  You end up competing against big corporations that are justifying their cheap offshore labor claiming how expensive it is for them to make a \"sustainable product\".... how they were \"forced\" to go offshore...... and blah blah blah.  Then you have someone like me, that has over half a century in the business (both retail & manufacturing) that full well knows what their likely cost of goods & manufacturing is and you would need one big scoop of a shovel to get the b.s. out of the room.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIf Jamboards wants to be a nice little site that nothing like this ever gets discussed, or isn't right for the site, then I'm in the wrong place.  But for the same reason the Stoker V Machine suddenly' became a thing after 15+ years of going nowhere, that's the energy I bring to my customers fueled by energy for what I create and share with whoever desires it.  At the end of the day, it's your choice.  Otherwise switch the channel, turn off the tv or leave the room. Or I can go elsewhere too.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFor me, failure is not an option. If I retired, I'd be dead in a month."], ["135748", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 87, "Eelgrass", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T14:31:39-0400", "Soooo... Thinking about ordering a SVM (aka Plain Jane). Who should I get one from? Bruce Fowler or Scott Anderson?"], ["135749", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 88, "jbb", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T14:31:55-0400", "Pacis said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Ahhhh come on SG. Maybe some self promoting ,you can read his positive energy on what he posts .........  Bruce just spilled some of his\n\n\n\n50 + years of knowledge  ............ you had to piss on his rainbow\n\n\n\nPromoting is all part of being SELF employed.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBruce thanks for sharing your enthusiasm and knowledge of shaping and designs\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nHey Cindy\n\n\n\nSG just stated a fact, shared an observation.  He didn't piss on anything.  Don't be a drama queen."], ["135752", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 89, "SeniorGrom", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T14:55:58-0400", "Bruce Fowler said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSorry if I'm not operating per the status quo for Jamboards.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThen again, I'm coming from being on Swaylocks for a very long time and they are structured differently.  If you haven't been on Sways, they have an Industry Section, a Public section that is for DIYer's, and then other stuff...... they decided that some of my stuff belonged in the Surfshop section, and Huck actually created a thread \"hoping I would chime in\".\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhen I first joined Swaylocks a ton of years ago, I was actually told I revitalized the whole site.... that it had grown stagnant and there was a real need for new blood.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI hope that's the case for Jamboards.  I tried to join it years ago and the powers that be were not allowing new people to join.  Which probably helped contribute to the site stagnating or becoming boring to may members.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIronically, as far as your comment re: Ryan Lovelace.... Ryan is one of the BIGGEST, most savvy self promoters out there.  All the vimeos, travel, website info, shop creation has rapidly accelerated him up the social status as a shaper, which, to be quite honest, some of the most established bonafide longtime shapers I know absolutely hate.  They feel his popularity has far exceeded his actual talent. I think a good amount of the rumbling I've heard is due to jealousy.  Ryan is better at promoting himself while attracting a core of good surfers riding his designs, he is a very artistic individual that has lended greatly to his success.  Still, he has his detractors, and I imagine, do I.  I was once told, when you start having guys talking sh-t about you & trying to pull you down, it probably means you are on the right path.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n So what else is new in the name of self promotion, legend wannabes, or even legends in their own minds?  If you want to be successful in a self owned surfboard business, you'd best be able to walk the walk and know your sh-t rather than stealing other people's ideas and spewing sound bites.  Christenson cites in an interview how hard he worked for years hoping things would pan out for him.  Andreini has built a strong following over years and ears of dedication in the craft earning a reputation for quality, which I spent time collaborating with Marc own designs after reviving the \"Owl Surfboard\" label then handing if off to him.  If you don't speak up for yourself and share what you know, what has taken decades of trial & error, study in aero & hydrodynamics, endless dollars spent in R&D, it is more than likely the newcomers to the sport will never know much more than what logo looks best and what pro surfer is riding them.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nRyan's m.o.  is to put out a low key, non hype cool vibe, but he is also a realist knowing how competitive it is, that's just reality. What I am saying is there are a LOT of hungry people out there competing for a tiny piece of the pie in order to do what they love, much less making a living.  Some people do it for prestige.... kind of a social thing.... they might have other financial means, a trust fund, one of the new popular upstarts has a wine business along with his surfboard label.  On the other side of the fence is a legit guy trying to actually make a go of the business as his sole source of support.  In the current economy that is nearly impossible to do... very sad, but also very true.  You end up competing against big corporations that are justifying their cheap offshore labor claiming how expensive it is for them to make a \"sustainable product\".... how they were \"forced\" to go offshore...... and blah blah blah.  Then you have someone like me, that has over half a century in the business (both retail & manufacturing) that full well knows what their likely cost of goods & manufacturing is and you would need one big scoop of a shovel to get the b.s. out of the room.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIf Jamboards wants to be a nice little site that nothing like this ever gets discussed, or isn't right for movers & shakers, then I'm in the wrong place.  But for the same reason the Stoker V Machine suddenly' became a thing after 15+ years of going nowhere, that's the energy I bring to my customers fueled by energy for what I create and share with whoever desires it.  At the end of the day, it's your choice.  Otherwise switch the channel, turn off the tv or leave the room.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFor me, failure is not an option.\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nParagraph after paragraph of 'bold' bravado.  Ever hear of brevity or humility?  Strikes me as being somewhat defensive.  I did enjoy the \"Ask the Experts\" series on Swaylocks a couple of years ago.  I've learned a ton reading there over time.    Jamboarders please send in cash deposits for custom shapes and consultation time now."], ["135754", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 90, "OCSURFER32", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T16:04:09-0400", "Keep them coming Bruce !!! All is Well \n   Beat the Shit out of Cat Pictures \n       No Offense Apple Kitty"], ["135759", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 91, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T17:24:49-0400", "I can be cryptic too.1 pictue = 1,000 words.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBravado, Displaced ego or confidence from gained knowledge while engaged in your passion?\n\n\n\n.I can edit myself if you like.\n\n\n\nPffffffffffffffffffffft.  :-#"], ["135760", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 92, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 17, 2018", "2018-08-17T17:33:47-0400", "Randy from Wavefront told me yesterday there are Anderson Stoker V Machines that have been sitting in The Beach House for a year. Maybe you can get a deal on one? I'd offer one rooster & two egg laying hens, that would be a good starting point.  Roger who owns the BH lives up in the valley near me, he has 25 acres and his wife is a real horse woman.  That's insider information.... shhhhh! It might make you swing the deal.  Myself personally, I'd swap out for a pot belly pig!\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn any regard, best of luck.  If all else fails, I would be honored to make you one at factory direct pricing.  I have some extra stock on hand that I will wheel & deal too, btw.  Email: \ndeadshaper@gmail.com\n.  Excuse the shameless promotion, but I have a mortgage to pay.  Just trying to help."], ["135790", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 93, "Human", "Aug 18, 2018", "2018-08-18T16:16:17-0400", "Ah yes, the Butt Hutt days, a fine clothing boutique indeed."], ["135793", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 94, "miscreant", "Aug 18, 2018", "2018-08-18T16:45:46-0400", "I don\u2019t recommend owning a pig. They are insane beasts."], ["135796", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 95, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 18, 2018", "2018-08-18T17:55:10-0400", "miscreant said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I don't recommend owning a pig. They are insane beasts.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nHmmm, from my understanding they are super intelligent creatures. A doctor friend had one in Hope Ranch down in Santa Barbara and his kids just loved it.  Then 'the Association' called them and told them the bylaws didn't allow \"farm animals\" so they had to relocate it up on a ranch in the SYV (I live outside of Solvang)..... so, somewhere up hereabouts.  Anyway, I was just kinda joking on that anyway.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOh, by the way \"sweating like a pig\" is not likely..... pigs don't have sweat glands."], ["135800", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 96, "Bruce Fowler", "Aug 18, 2018", "2018-08-18T18:07:18-0400", "Here's a nice one someone could score at a less than ridiculous price.  Full chambered prime Ecuadorean  and at a surfing weight that keeps the board offering a lively ride.  Oftentimes balsa are heavy and good for wall hanging & looking at, but not every day surfing.  \n(Note: this board is spoken for!)\n This one is.\n\n\n    \n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["135813", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 97, "waaahoo", "Aug 19, 2018", "2018-08-18T21:53:05-0400", "Any balsa V8's in existence?"], ["135817", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 98, "Human", "Aug 19, 2018", "2018-08-19T01:02:25-0400", "What a Fucking joke."], ["135819", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 99, "ekim", "Aug 19, 2018", "2018-08-19T05:28:44-0400", "."], ["135824", "4461", "Stoker V machine - Fowler or Anderson?", 100, "Human", "Aug 19, 2018", "2018-08-19T08:59:30-0400", "Ha! 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