{"database": "surfing", "table": "posts", "is_view": false, "human_description_en": "where thread_id = 24125", "rows": [["375993", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 1, "PeakMaster", "Oct 7, 2025", "2025-10-07T17:41:11-0400", "The 90+ scientists have been proven as grifters.\n\n\n\nSurf on."], ["376005", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 2, "Howeezey", "Oct 7, 2025", "2025-10-07T18:16:47-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The 90+ scientists have been proven as grifters.\n\n\n\nSurf on.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSay it LOUDER for everyone in the back, and  elaborate further. \n\n\n\nSurf on"], ["376009", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 3, "TurtleTime", "Oct 7, 2025", "2025-10-07T18:26:47-0400", "is that what we are down to, 90 scientists left?"], ["376013", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 4, "Ricksurfin", "Oct 7, 2025", "2025-10-07T18:39:59-0400", "TurtleTime said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            is that what we are down to, 90 scientists left?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYes, Donald furloughed all the rest."], ["376031", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 5, "XXX", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-07T20:24:42-0400", "TurtleTime said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            is that what we are down to, 90 scientists left?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nAs surely as the Sun orbits the Earth."], ["376033", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 6, "Salinity", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-07T20:36:34-0400", "Thanks mods for the ignore function."], ["376035", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 7, "Dirk", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-07T20:51:48-0400", "If there\u2019s sarcasm here I\u2019m missing it"], ["376051", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 8, "Howeezey", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-07T22:22:13-0400", "Here is the evidence right here!  Look with your own eyes. \n\n\n\n\u201c Based on peer-reviewed research and scientific assessments, the claim that over 90 scientists have been proven to be \"grifters on global warming\" is false\n\n\n\n. The overwhelming consensus among climate scientists is that human activity is the primary cause of global warming.\u201c\u2026\u2026\n\n\n\nSo HA suck it! Global warming isn\u2019t real at all.  \n\n\n\nIt\u2019s normal & natural."], ["376055", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 9, "C_M", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-07T23:32:53-0400", "Salinity said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Thanks mods for the ignore function.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWhere is it?"], ["376075", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 10, "Stingray", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T02:08:58-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Where is it?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["376079", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 11, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T06:38:59-0400", "https://www.ff.org/the-myth-of-the-climate-change-97/"], ["376081", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 12, "heavymetalshop", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T06:50:50-0400", "Image processing. Refresh page to view"], ["376083", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 13, "Tubr1der", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T06:51:05-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The 90+ scientists have been proven as grifters.\n\n\n\nSurf on.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat Fox News has rotted your brain. Luckily for the rest of us there are still facts in the world. You'd have to be able to comprehend the scientific method, but obviously this is well beyond your brain capacity. So carry on kook."], ["376085", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 14, "_ctrlb", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T07:19:26-0400", "First the controversy in the ding repair thread, now this? The heat here is too much to take!"], ["376087", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 15, "Tubr1der", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T07:28:07-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.ff.org/the-myth-of-the-climate-change-97/\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat's your source? \n\n\n\nAnd this folks is why we're living in a real life version of Idiocracy."], ["376089", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 16, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T07:36:45-0400", "Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            That Fox News has rotted your brain. Luckily for the rest of us there are still facts in the world. You'd have to be able to comprehend the scientific method, but obviously this is well beyond your brain capacity. So carry on kook.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nhttps://energynow.com/2023/02/comme...y-the-myth-that-97-of-scientists-agree-about-a-climate-crisis-alex-epstein/?amp"], ["376091", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 17, "SeniorGrom", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T07:49:17-0400", "To the exact dollar, how much will it cost to lower the earth\u2019s temperature one degree?  Since we have been separating items for recycling now for decades, how much of this human activity has caused changes in manufacturing?  What level of human/animal life can the planet sustain?  Practical question I think about.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nScience is easy, math is hard, politicians are skilled in neither one."], ["376095", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 18, "Tubr1der", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T08:09:14-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://energynow.com/2023/02/comme...y-the-myth-that-97-of-scientists-agree-about-a-climate-crisis-alex-epstein/?amp\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nDude, didn't you study bias in highschool?  This is a publication generated by and for the oil and gas industry."], ["376099", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 19, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T08:56:30-0400", "Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Dude, didn't you study bias in highschool?  This is a publication generated by and for the oil and gas industry.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["376101", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 20, "freakybornwings", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T09:02:16-0400", "It has been amply demonstrated that not only was ExxonMobil aware by the 1970's of emissions-driven climate change, they actually created what turned out to be HIGHLY ACCURATE forecasts of this:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn \"Assessing ExxonMobil's Global Warming Projections,\" researchers from Harvard and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research show for the first time the accuracy of previously unreported forecasts created by company scientists from 1977 through 2003. The Harvard team discovered that Exxon researchers created a series of remarkably reliable models and analyses projecting global warming from carbon dioxide emissions over the coming decades. Specifically, Exxon projected that fossil fuel emissions would lead to 0.20 degrees Celsius of global warming per decade, with a margin of error of 0.04 degrees - a trend that has been proven largely accurate.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"This paper is the first ever systematic assessment of a fossil fuel company's climate projections, the first time we've been able to put a number on what they knew,\" said Geoffrey Supran, lead author and former research fellow in the History of Science at Harvard. \"What we found is that between 1977 and 2003, excellent scientists within Exxon modeled and predicted global warming with, frankly, shocking skill and accuracy only for the company to then spend the next couple of decades denying that very climate science.\"\n\n\n\nSource: \nThe Harvard Gazette\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere is a galaxy of fake websites and \"news outlets\" and \"experts\" invented by the petroleum industry to muddy the waters on this, and other vitally important topics in the public interest, and I'd be happy to talk about those, too.  But internally, as a company, they have absolutely been aware of this problem for 50 YEARS."], ["376105", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 21, "Tubr1der", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T09:31:46-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nMaybe try again buddy\u2026This guy was Rush Limbaugh's lackey, is not a scientist, has zero credentials, and is only famous for spreading lies and misinformation about scientifically proven climate change issues.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe facts are out there but you refuse to accept them. Why is that? It's because your Republican leaders are experts at exploiting the simple minded, the willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid to fulfill their bought and paid for big oil agenda.  This is also a Googlable fact."], ["376107", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 22, "Chaz Wa Da Da", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T09:41:29-0400", "Howeezey said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Here is the evidence right here!  Look with your own eyes.\n\n\n\n\" Based on peer-reviewed research and scientific assessments, the claim that over 90 scientists have been proven to be \"grifters on global warming\" is false\n\n\n\n. The overwhelming consensus among climate scientists is that human activity is the primary cause of global warming.\"\u2026\u2026\n\n\n\nSo HA suck it! Global warming isn't real at all. \n\n\n\nIt's normal & natural.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nHere it is in pictures so everyone can understand......\n\n\n\n\nhttps://coastalreview.org/2025/10/messy-situation-buxton-beach-littered-after-8th-house-falls/"], ["376111", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 23, "jory", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T10:05:51-0400", "i suspect the great erBB migration is now well underway............."], ["376113", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 24, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T10:10:38-0400", "Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Maybe try again buddy\u2026This guy was Rush Limbaugh's lackey, is not a scientist, has zero credentials, and is only famous for spreading lies and misinformation about scientifically proven climate change issues.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe facts are out there but you refuse to accept them. Why is that? It's because your Republican leaders are experts at exploiting the simple minded, the willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid to fulfill their bought and paid for big oil agenda.  This is also a Googlable fact.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["376115", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 25, "XXX", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T10:13:31-0400", "https://coastalreview.org/2025/10/messy-situation-buxton-beach-littered-after-8th-house-falls/\n\n\n\nIt's hard to see how oceanfront homes can continue to be built, rebuilt or insured. Anyone buying into and spreading the fossil fuel industry propaganda owes it to themselves to take part in a beach cleanup. See how many people out there agree with your conspiracy theories, science denial and anti-intellectualism."], ["376117", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 26, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T10:18:53-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://coastalreview.org/2025/10/messy-situation-buxton-beach-littered-after-8th-house-falls/\n\n\n\nIt's hard to see how oceanfront homes can continue to be built, rebuilt or insured. Anyone buying into and spreading the fossil fuel industry propaganda owes it to themselves to take part in a beach cleanup. See how many people out there agree with your conspiracy theories, science denial and anti-intellectualism.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThe Jersey Shore wind turbines are not happening \nhttps://share.google/hq9O3htaEPZktBOLf"], ["376121", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 27, "Qustom", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T10:38:03-0400", "How 'bout we segue into the topic of how the petroleum industry was the driving force behind making hemp illegal because it offered a clean burning fuel (alcohol) that could power the Model T's of the day and could still be powering modern ICE's if all of the rubber seals in the fuel system weren't made of - you guessed it! - petroleum products which will melt when exposed to alcohol!"], ["376123", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 28, "SeniorGrom", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T11:01:03-0400", "Will the first surfer riding a plank of wood please stand up and be counted."], ["376125", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 29, "bendy", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T11:08:38-0400", "Amazon Shipping Options: Overnight, 2-day, or FREE via eco-friendly sailboat Greta Thunberg. I ordered an organic cotton t-shirt, so I selected Greta \"out of principle.\" A month, maybe two passed... Ahoy! Land Ho! She arrived. I forgot what I ordered, snatched the package from her hands ripped it open clearly ignoring Greta's arduous journey. I tried on the shirt, but it wasn't right - damn. I clicked Return. With a blank stare and one foot still aboard the vessel she scanned the QR code [beep!] -- slipped the familiar cardboard box under her arm; \n\n\n\nAnd away,\n\n\n\nShe sailed..."], ["376139", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 30, "dropkneestraightair", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T11:35:16-0400", "If its one thing i love.......\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIts surfers discussing politics"], ["376141", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 31, "Stingray", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T11:48:47-0400", "Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            That Fox News has rotted your brain. Luckily for the rest of us there are still facts in the world. You'd have to be able to comprehend the scientific method, but obviously this is well beyond your brain capacity. So carry on kook.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nEveryone's suggesting reason, you have to start by finding common ground, appealing to the fabric of his NJ soul:"], ["376147", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 32, "Symphonic Groove Theory", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:06:53-0400", "One thing I fail to understand is the politicization of this issue. I mean, I get how we got here with the propaganda machine spinning, but like, how do people fail to realize that whether you believe that climate change is caused by humans or not, the climate changes, and excessive warming is going to cause global food shortages and mass migration? If the outcome is the same regardless of the cause, why not try to use our best practices and technologies to mitigate it?"], ["376149", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 33, "TheEL", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:16:02-0400", "jory said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            i suspect the great erBB migration is now well underway.............\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSHOW"], ["376151", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 34, "Sdoli", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:19:15-0400", "Symphonic Groove Theory said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            One thing I fail to understand is the politicization of this issue. I mean, I get how we got here with the propaganda machine spinning, but like, how do people fail to realize that whether you believe that climate change is caused by humans or not, the climate changes, and excessive warming is going to cause global food shortages and mass migration? If the outcome is the same regardless of the cause, why not try to use our best practices and technologies to mitigate it?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat would be ideal. We would be able to if it wasn't for the greed of fossil fuel leaders and immoral politicians that keeps us divided and fight among each other just like here in this forum."], ["376153", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 35, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:21:10-0400", "Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Maybe try again buddy\u2026This guy was Rush Limbaugh's lackey, is not a scientist, has zero credentials, and is only famous for spreading lies and misinformation about scientifically proven climate change issues.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe facts are out there but you refuse to accept them. Why is that? It's because your Republican leaders are experts at exploiting the simple minded, the willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid to fulfill their bought and paid for big oil agenda.  This is also a Googlable fact.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nhttps://nypost.com/2021/11/12/50-ye...apocalypse-is-nigh?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp&utm_medium=social"], ["376155", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 36, "Stingray", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:28:46-0400", "Symphonic Groove Theory said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            One thing I fail to understand is the politicization of this issue. I mean, I get how we got here with the propaganda machine spinning, but like, how do people fail to realize that whether you believe that climate change is caused by humans or not, the climate changes, and excessive warming is going to cause global food shortages and mass migration? If the outcome is the same regardless of the cause, why not try to use our best practices and technologies to mitigate it?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nFolks come to their own conclusions from very different backgrounds, life experiences, information resources and personal interests.. you're likely assuming \"they\" agree the ultimate outcome and consequences are the same as you do for example.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHe's from NJ\u2026 it starts with the Boss.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog432/node/405"], ["376157", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 37, "PeakMaster", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:33:20-0400", "Stingray said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Folks come to their own conclusions from very different backgrounds, life experiences, information resources and personal interests.. you're likely assuming \"they\" agree the ultimate outcome and consequences are the same as you do for example.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHe's from NJ\u2026 it starts with the Boss.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog432/node/405\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI firmly believe that Springsteen is a talentless asshole."], ["376161", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 38, "Stingray", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T12:50:04-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I firmly believe that Springsteen is a talentless asshole.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\"Siri, retire this thread.\""], ["376167", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 39, "033", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T13:05:34-0400", "Tides, sea levels, etc. at my surf breaks are the same as 45 years ago.  \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyone else."], ["376179", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 40, "Symphonic Groove Theory", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T13:47:11-0400", "Stingray said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Folks come to their own conclusions from very different backgrounds, life experiences, information resources and personal interests.. you're likely assuming \"they\" agree the ultimate outcome and consequences are the same as you do for example.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHe's from NJ\u2026 it starts with the Boss.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog432/node/405\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nVery true.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI was speaking to the very common narrative of climate change deniers that argue the planet is always warming and cooling, and that humans aren't the driving force. If there were another major ice age, whether or not that was brought on by human behavior, it would behoove you to buy a snowsuit.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI know political ideology and logical consistency aren't bedfellows, but I thought I'd try to make a unifying appeal to common sense"], ["376183", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 41, "SoftScrambledSkeggs", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T13:49:23-0400", "I saw a dude smoking crack on the way into work today. That globe was definitely warming.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThen he tried to sell me 8'6\" Chuck Dent from '82 that apparently was used by Wayne Miyata as a dining room table in his Hermosa apartment once visited by the ghost of Conan Hayes' white dreads."], ["376189", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 42, "Howeezey", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T14:17:15-0400", "Yeah"], ["376193", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 43, "Salty", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T14:26:28-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I firmly believe that Springsteen is a talentless asshole.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.surfer.com/culture/bruce-springsteens-surfing-roots-revealed-asbury-park-music-festival"], ["376199", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 44, "C_M", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T14:38:11-0400", "The erBB, on Jamboards."], ["376201", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 45, "Stingray", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T14:42:29-0400", "bc said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Tides, sea levels, etc. at my surf breaks are the same as 45 years ago.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyone else.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNo, because unfortunately for a lot of folks (or fortunately for you) our planet is not a bathtub.  Science (and gravity) is a bitch.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/9/are...a-levels-rising-the-same-all-over-the-world-as-if-were-filling-a-giant-bathtub/\n\n\n\nStay salty bruddahs."], ["376203", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 46, "XXX", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T14:44:56-0400", "bc said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Tides, sea levels, etc. at my surf breaks are the same as 45 years ago.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnyone else.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nLet's see the data."], ["376205", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 47, "SoftScrambledSkeggs", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T14:48:34-0400", "DONE. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Let's see the data.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["376215", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 48, "Sdoli", "Oct 8, 2025", "2025-10-08T15:21:23-0400", "People are rooted in their beliefs. Even data will not change someone's mind. I feel it is until they experience extreme weather conditions and their consequences that they will change their mind. But itll be way too late especially for us living here in the coastal us. I always wonder what is the right way to communicate and reach/connect with them that will change someone's mind."], ["376297", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 49, "C_M", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-08T21:59:35-0400", "It's all so politicized I gave up caring\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere's a lot of dishonesty on both sides\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI hear surfers all the time that do not understand basic principles of climate, weather, sand flow, currents, and coastal engineering claiming everything is sea level rise, falling for new reports that sensationalize hurricanes, not understanding the concept of \"ever recorded\", and making BS claims regarding global warming relating swell production that are just plain retarded.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nand then there's the contrarian data\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://news.clemson.edu/global-warming-is-happening-but-not-statistically-surging-new-study-finds/\n\n\n\nWhat's a layperson who is skeptical by nature make of all this?"], ["376305", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 50, "SeniorGrom", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-08T22:43:40-0400", "How about believing there is climate change, the seas are rising, AND it cannot be reversed.  Maybe two things can be true."], ["376317", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 51, "C_M", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-08T23:14:02-0400", "SeniorGrom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            How about believing there is climate change, the seas are rising, AND it cannot be reversed.  Maybe two things can be true.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThat's three things,"], ["376327", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 52, "Nalu", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T00:51:29-0400", "Fairy science sounds awesome. I'd love to see their version of a lab: beakers of glitter, thermometers made of wands, and equations written in pixie dust. PeakMaster is hands down the prettiest fairy on Jamboards - here, I made you a new profile picture.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["376331", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 53, "Planktom", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T04:53:54-0400", "dropkneestraightair said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            If its one thing i love.......\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIts surfers discussing politics\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThe irony is the 'politics' of human effects on global warming is a mere babe in arms compared to the science of the same issue, which dates back to the 1800s.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe problem we have (all of us) is the politicisation of science in general, which in turn, is really just a manifestation of those in power (hint - not the politicians)"], ["376337", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 54, "PeakMaster", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T06:30:41-0400", "Salty said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.surfer.com/culture/bruce-springsteens-surfing-roots-revealed-asbury-park-music-festival\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nCarl \"Tinker\" West died recently. There was a paddle out for him September 21.  It was well attended in Sandy Hook. Springsteen wasn't there.\n\n\n\nTinker was his first manager.\n\n\n\nFuck Springsteen."], ["376341", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 55, "PeakMaster", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T06:39:16-0400", "Nalu said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Fairy science sounds awesome. I'd love to see their version of a lab: beakers of glitter, thermometers made of wands, and equations written in pixie dust. PeakMaster is hands down the prettiest fairy on Jamboards - here, I made you a new profile picture.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nView attachment 98169\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThe hat and uniform on the recruit are not accurate. No stripe on the pants. The instructor's pant stripe is not depicted accurately as well.\n\n\n\nYou must spend a lot of time jerking off...that much is certain."], ["376355", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 56, "shadydave", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T09:49:09-0400", "Planktom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The irony is the 'politics' of human effects on global warming is a mere babe in arms compared to the science of the same issue, which dates back to the 1800s.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe problem we have (all of us) is the politicisation of science in general, which in turn, is really just a manifestation of those in power (hint - not the politicians)\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nMy opinion on this is the science (record keeping) that started in the 1800's is a \"mere babe\" compared to the millions of years this beautiful earth has existed. Climate change is real and has been happening forever, our lifetime is nothing but a blip on the screen as far as Mother Earth is concerned."], ["376357", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 57, "C_M", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T10:03:37-0400", "When I was a kid in the 80s I remember being terrified by this episode of \"In Search Of\" where interviewed climate experts claimed the next Ice Age was upon us and we were all going to end up frozen to death marooned in our cars during a blizzard.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCheck out the minute long intro, narrated by Leonard Nimoy.  It's 10/10 terrifying. For a kid at least.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt wasn't 10 years later I was being told we were all going to burn up.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nProfessor Gifford, who in the above episode claimed the earth had been cooling and the next Ice Age had already begun, now claims the opposite:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.colorado.edu/instaar/gifford-h-miller\n\n\n\nPerhaps both are true...I used to think the idea of needing more blankets AND less blankets at the same time was just a joke."], ["376369", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 58, "Planktom", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T10:53:24-0400", "shadydave said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            My opinion on this is the science (record keeping) that started in the 1800's is a \"mere babe\" compared to the millions of years this beautiful earth has existed. Climate change is real and has been happening forever, our lifetime is nothing but a blip on the screen as far as Mother Earth is concerned.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nStating the obvious\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBut to the point - the link between human activity and the effects on global warming was first documented by scientists in the 1800s, away from any significant influence or indeed political pressure. Just for science's sake, when scientists still managed the field of science. This is important to understand.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe thing that is up for debate, is how \nsignificant\n human activity is in relation to global warming. From what I can ascertain, this is still pretty hard to define. It's also increasingly hard to sift through the quagmire of information that's wrapped up as 'evidence'. This goes both ways, I have no horse in this race."], ["376387", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 59, "C_M", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T11:47:02-0400", "Planktom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The thing that is up for debate, is how \nsignificant\n human activity is in relation to global warming. From what I can ascertain, this is still pretty hard to define. It's also increasingly hard to sift through the quagmire of information that's wrapped up as 'evidence'. This goes both ways, I have no horse in this race.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nPretty much sums up my thoughts as well."], ["376419", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 60, "shadydave", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T13:35:57-0400", "Planktom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Stating the obvious\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBut to the point - the link between human activity and the effects on global warming was first documented by scientists in the 1800s, away from any significant influence or indeed political pressure. Just for science's sake, when scientists still managed the field of science. This is important to understand.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe thing that is up for debate, is how \nsignificant\n human activity is in relation to global warming. From what I can ascertain, this is still pretty hard to define. It's also increasingly hard to sift through the quagmire of information that's wrapped up as 'evidence'. This goes both ways, I have no horse in this race.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI believe the point I was attempting to make is we have reliable daily records dating back to the late 1800's (150 yrs +/-). Now can we reliably go back thousands of years and look at a 150 yr window and accurately tell what daily temps were, what ocean temps were, what type and frequency of extreme weather conditions were experienced? These are things I wonder about. I doubting that is possible. I imagine there were lots of extreme climate changes in small windows of time."], ["376421", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 61, "Sdoli", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T13:40:45-0400", "Honestly, if the governments were just aligning with the scientific community, we wouldn\u2019t have such a long thread and stop fighting whether climate change is real or not. If the governments had the clear message that the climate change is a threat to the livelihood of our children and grandchildren, we would just be aligned. That split we\u2019re experiencing shows the doing greed and the interest of the fossil fuel industry."], ["376425", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 62, "C_M", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T14:07:20-0400", "Sdoli said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Honestly, if the governments were just aligning with the scientific community, we wouldn't have such a long thread and stop fighting whether climate change is real or not. If the governments had the clear message that the climate change is a threat to the livelihood of our children and grandchildren, we would just be aligned. That split we're experiencing shows the doing greed and the interest of the fossil fuel industry.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI don't find governments to be truthful.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDo you?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPoliticians tend to be dishonest and manipulate populations by using fear.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd the politicians are often doing the bidding of other powerful interests or agenda pushers.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOver the past few years I've seen multiple instances of politicians claiming various weather events and shoreline changes are the result of climate change - only for scientists who believe in climate change to push back and say the politician is incorrect.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd then there's the big lies, like the claims sea level rise and climate change are driving erosion on Florida's east coast. If you surf and you've ever seen images of the dozens of inlets along the shoreline (pre-manmade alteration) you know if it weren't for the Army Corps of Engineers altering those inlets for boat traffic there would be no coastal erosion issue.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn fact, the same goes for pretty much all sandy coastlines with similar issues. Disruption of the natural flow of sand leads to coastal erosion on long sandy beaches. Pretty much always."], ["376427", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 63, "Planktom", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T14:15:43-0400", "shadydave said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I believe the point I was attempting to make is we have reliable daily records dating back to the late 1800's (150 yrs +/-). Now can we reliably go back thousands of years and look at a 150 yr window and accurately tell what daily temps were, what ocean temps were, what type and frequency of extreme weather conditions were experienced? These are things I wonder about. I doubting that is possible. I imagine there were lots of extreme climate changes in small windows of time.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nAk ok, I see.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMy point was that it's not just daily records of fluctuations that started in the 1800s, it's the specific link between human behaviour and climate change that was discovered. The records of general fluctuations go back further (and can be modelled even further back, as you rightly point out)"], ["376471", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 64, "PeakMaster", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T18:54:46-0400", "Sdoli said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Honestly, if the governments were just aligning with the scientific community, we wouldn't have such a long thread and stop fighting whether climate change is real or not. If the governments had the clear message that the climate change is a threat to the livelihood of our children and grandchildren, we would just be aligned. That split we're experiencing shows the doing greed and the interest of the fossil fuel industry.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWTF are you even talking about?"], ["376475", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 65, "Surfertom", "Oct 9, 2025", "2025-10-09T19:16:10-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The hat and uniform on the recruit are not accurate. No stripe on the pants. The instructor's pant stripe is not depicted accurately as well.\n\n\n\nYou must spend a lot of time jerking off...that much is certain.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nBut, is the tutu the right color?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nST"], ["376491", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 66, "Howeezey", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-09T20:56:15-0400", "I couldn\u2019t be more bored with this thread"], ["376499", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 67, "Sdoli", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-09T21:31:15-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            WTF are you even talking about?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nSomehow I am not surprised you don't get it."], ["376501", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 68, "Sdoli", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-09T21:35:36-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I don't find governments to be truthful.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nDo you?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPoliticians tend to be dishonest and manipulate populations by using fear.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd the politicians are often doing the bidding of other powerful interests or agenda pushers.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOver the past few years I've seen multiple instances of politicians claiming various weather events and shoreline changes are the result of climate change - only for scientists who believe in climate change to push back and say the politician is incorrect.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd then there's the big lies, like the claims sea level rise and climate change are driving erosion on Florida's east coast. If you surf and you've ever seen images of the dozens of inlets along the shoreline (pre-manmade alteration) you know if it weren't for the Army Corps of Engineers altering those inlets for boat traffic there would be no coastal erosion issue.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn fact, the same goes for pretty much all sandy coastlines with similar issues. Disruption of the natural flow of sand leads to coastal erosion on long sandy beaches. Pretty much always.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI don't trust politicians either. It's been so obvious how lobbies (gun, aipac, pharma, military-industrial complex\u2026) are buying votes instead of politicians representing us. There are a few that still have moral integrity but not many left."], ["376551", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 69, "OX 45", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T03:44:26-0400", "the title of the thread is not accurate to begin with. Globe\u2026lmao. Round earthers!?!"], ["376571", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 70, "Planktom", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T10:04:59-0400", "Yea, what a bunch of dupes!"], ["376573", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 71, "Driftwood", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T10:19:45-0400", "SeniorGrom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Will the first surfer riding a plank of wood please stand up and be counted.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI rode mine two weeks ago, does that count? Staying stoked"], ["376595", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 72, "Planktom", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T12:01:45-0400", "https://hedgehogreview.com/issues/the-use-and-abuse-of-history/articles/whataboutism"], ["376603", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 73, "Turdlurker", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T12:52:05-0400", "I helped work on a research project with the Geology Department at University of Oregon where some of the research students traveled to Antarctica to collect ice cores (Vostok) which date back roughly 400,000 years BP. We analyzed each season of ice layering using non-radiogenic isotope differentiation in light vs heavy oxygen isotopes (16 vs. 18) as a proxy for to track changes in temperature and sea level. There are tiny bubbles in the ice cores that contain records of the atmosphere at the time. Using a laser, we volatilize the gasses in the bubbles in the cores which releases charged ions which can be categorized by their mass and charge to determine the ratio of isotope differentiation. Many universities have studied these cores. There's a cool mini workshop from University of Michigan publicly available that is a good intro to this type of analysis for folks who aren't in the STEM fields and want to learn a little about this type of research. Just google \"Analysis of Vostok Ice Core\"."], ["376605", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 74, "Dirk", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T13:01:05-0400", "The same people telling you \u201cclimate change isn\u2019t real\u201d are the same ones that would happily pollute the rivers oceans and air if there weren\u2019t regulations. These groups actively try to dismantle those environmental protections that benefit every single person in the country. It truly baffles me that people can don\u2019t see how surfing and basic environmental protections are hand and hand. You want your local lineup to look like those photos of trash clogged rivers and breaks? Turn off Fox News, listen to people who may know more than you (that\u2019s ok), and stop delaying progress. Science is not your enemy it\u2019s your friend. It is  by farthe best way we have to figuring shit out"], ["376607", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 75, "C_M", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T13:46:10-0400", "Dirk said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            The same people telling you \"climate change isn't real\" are the same ones that would happily pollute the rivers oceans and air if there weren't regulations. These groups actively try to dismantle those environmental protections that benefit every single person in the country. It truly baffles me that people can don't see how surfing and basic environmental protections are hand and hand. You want your local lineup to look like those photos of trash clogged rivers and breaks? Turn off Fox News, listen to people who may know more than you (that's ok), and stop delaying progress. Science is not your enemy it's your friend. It is  by farthe best way we have to figuring shit out\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThank you for this constructive contribution.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou're going to be swaying lots of hearts and minds with fallacious arguments."], ["376617", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 76, "Dirk", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T14:40:17-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Thank you for this constructive contribution.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nYou're going to be swaying lots of hearts and minds with fallacious arguments.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWomp womp"], ["376673", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 77, "XXX", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T17:44:33-0400", "Driftwood said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I rode mine two weeks ago, does that count? Staying stoked \n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nGood on ya'"], ["376725", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 78, "Chaz Wa Da Da", "Oct 10, 2025", "2025-10-10T19:54:46-0400", "SeniorGrom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            To the exact dollar, how much will it cost to lower the earth's temperature one degree?  Since we have been separating items for recycling now for decades, how much of this human activity has caused changes in manufacturing?  What level of human/animal life can the planet sustain?  Practical question I think about.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nScience is easy, math is hard, politicians are skilled in neither one.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nHoe does this work brah, do we just pick one??"], ["376729", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 79, "Chaz Wa Da Da", "Oct 11, 2025", "2025-10-10T20:08:27-0400", "Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Maybe try again buddy\u2026This guy was Rush Limbaugh's lackey, is not a scientist, has zero credentials, and is only famous for spreading lies and misinformation about scientifically proven climate change issues.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe facts are out there but you refuse to accept them. Why is that? It's because your Republican leaders are experts at exploiting the simple minded, the willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid to fulfill their bought and paid for big oil agenda.  This is also a Googlable fact.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Maybe try again buddy\u2026This guy was Rush Limbaugh's lackey, is not a scientist, has zero credentials, and is only famous for spreading lies and misinformation about scientifically proven climate change issues.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe facts are out there but you refuse to accept them. Why is that? It's because your Republican leaders are experts at exploiting the simple minded, the willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid to fulfill their bought and paid for big oil agenda.  This is also a Googlable fact.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                    Tubr1der said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Maybe try again buddy\u2026This guy was Rush Limbaugh's lackey, is not a scientist, has zero credentials, and is only famous for spreading lies and misinformation about scientifically proven climate change issues.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe facts are out there but you refuse to accept them. Why is that? It's because your Republican leaders are experts at exploiting the simple minded, the willfully ignorant, or just plain stupid to fulfill their bought and paid for big oil agenda.  This is also a Googlable fact.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand..."], ["376967", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 80, "033", "Oct 12, 2025", "2025-10-12T13:21:50-0400", "I loved when \"science\" cleared out the lineup for six months in 2020!"], ["377005", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 81, "C_M", "Oct 12, 2025", "2025-10-12T17:50:14-0400", "bc said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            I loved when \"science\" cleared out the lineup for six months in 2020!\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nKim Prather, a leading atmospheric chemist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, wants to yell out her window at every surfer, runner, and biker she spots along the San Diego coast.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"I wouldn't go in the water if you paid me $1 million right now,\" she said.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe beach, in her estimation, is one of the most dangerous places to be these days, as \nthe novel coronavirus\n marches silently across California.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMany beachgoers know they \ncan suffer skin rashes\n, stomach illness and serious ear and respiratory infections if they go into the water within three days of a heavy rain, because of bacteria and pathogens washing off roads and into the ocean. Raw or poorly treated sewage entering the ocean also poses major health risks.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPrather fears that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could enter coastal waters in similar ways and transfer back into the air along the coast.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn her research, Prather has found that the ocean churns up all kinds of particulate and microscopic pathogens, and every time the ocean sneezes with a big wave or two, it sprays these particles into the air. She believes that this new coronavirus is light enough to float through the air much farther than we think. The six-feet physical distancing rule, she said, doesn't apply at the beach, where coastal winds can get quite strong and send viral particles soaring.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"It's not going to kill you if you miss a few surfing sessions, but it could if you go out there and get in the wrong air,\" she said.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"You can't see the virus, you can't smell it ... It's a real silent killer right now.\"\n\n\n\nPrather, who directs the Center for Aerosol Impacts on Chemistry of the Environment, a large research hub at Scripps backed by $40 million from the National Science Foundation, sent her researchers and students home long before California officials issued stay-at-home orders. She suspected this virus was contagious by air, and knew from past studies that coronaviruses can be excreted in fecal matter. She worries SARS-CoV-2 could enter the ocean from sewage spills and outfalls, and then reenter the atmosphere.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWastewater treatment plants don't necessarily deactivate viruses before sending the sewage into the ocean - they tend to target bacteria like E. Coli, she said. And in areas like Imperial Beach, sewage from the Tijuana River often spills into the ocean completely untreated.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCoronaviruses are encased by what she calls a \"hydrophobic\" lipid, or fatty, membrane. Fat tends to float to the surface of water, similar to oil in a vinaigrette dressing. When waves break in the surf zone and all the foam and bubbles pop, Prather said, \"all that stuff - the viruses, the bacteria, pollutants, all the gooey, oily stuff - just launches into the air.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe ocean, in fact, is the largest natural source of aerosol particles after dust. These marine aerosols affect the formation of clouds over the ocean and can spread over large distances.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOnce in the air, studies have shown that aerosols can travel around the globe in as little as two weeks. Prather has found dust in microbes from Africa that changed the snowfall in California. She's been tracing the bacteria and sewage pollution dumped into the ocean from the Tijuana River, showing how much ends up transferring to the atmosphere.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"Once things are in the air, they can go pretty darn far. People are shocked whenever I talk about stuff becoming airborne,\" she said. \"I see pictures of the beach shut down, and the signs tell you don't walk on the beach, don't swim, don't surf, but nobody tells you: Don't breathe.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMore about the danger, here:\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.latimes.com/california/...ia/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-ocean-swimming-surfing-safe-beaches-los-angeles"], ["377009", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 82, "Dirk", "Oct 12, 2025", "2025-10-12T18:03:23-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nKim Prather, a leading atmospheric chemist at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, wants to yell out her window at every surfer, runner, and biker she spots along the San Diego coast.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"I wouldn't go in the water if you paid me $1 million right now,\" she said.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe beach, in her estimation, is one of the most dangerous places to be these days, as \nthe novel coronavirus\n marches silently across California.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMany beachgoers know they \ncan suffer skin rashes\n, stomach illness and serious ear and respiratory infections if they go into the water within three days of a heavy rain, because of bacteria and pathogens washing off roads and into the ocean. Raw or poorly treated sewage entering the ocean also poses major health risks.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPrather fears that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, could enter coastal waters in similar ways and transfer back into the air along the coast.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn her research, Prather has found that the ocean churns up all kinds of particulate and microscopic pathogens, and every time the ocean sneezes with a big wave or two, it sprays these particles into the air. She believes that this new coronavirus is light enough to float through the air much farther than we think. The six-feet physical distancing rule, she said, doesn't apply at the beach, where coastal winds can get quite strong and send viral particles soaring.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"It's not going to kill you if you miss a few surfing sessions, but it could if you go out there and get in the wrong air,\" she said.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"You can't see the virus, you can't smell it ... It's a real silent killer right now.\"\n\n\n\nPrather, who directs the Center for Aerosol Impacts on Chemistry of the Environment, a large research hub at Scripps backed by $40 million from the National Science Foundation, sent her researchers and students home long before California officials issued stay-at-home orders. She suspected this virus was contagious by air, and knew from past studies that coronaviruses can be excreted in fecal matter. She worries SARS-CoV-2 could enter the ocean from sewage spills and outfalls, and then reenter the atmosphere.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWastewater treatment plants don't necessarily deactivate viruses before sending the sewage into the ocean - they tend to target bacteria like E. Coli, she said. And in areas like Imperial Beach, sewage from the Tijuana River often spills into the ocean completely untreated.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCoronaviruses are encased by what she calls a \"hydrophobic\" lipid, or fatty, membrane. Fat tends to float to the surface of water, similar to oil in a vinaigrette dressing. When waves break in the surf zone and all the foam and bubbles pop, Prather said, \"all that stuff - the viruses, the bacteria, pollutants, all the gooey, oily stuff - just launches into the air.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe ocean, in fact, is the largest natural source of aerosol particles after dust. These marine aerosols affect the formation of clouds over the ocean and can spread over large distances.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nOnce in the air, studies have shown that aerosols can travel around the globe in as little as two weeks. Prather has found dust in microbes from Africa that changed the snowfall in California. She's been tracing the bacteria and sewage pollution dumped into the ocean from the Tijuana River, showing how much ends up transferring to the atmosphere.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\"Once things are in the air, they can go pretty darn far. People are shocked whenever I talk about stuff becoming airborne,\" she said. \"I see pictures of the beach shut down, and the signs tell you don't walk on the beach, don't swim, don't surf, but nobody tells you: Don't breathe.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMore about the danger, here:\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.latimes.com/california/...ia/story/2020-04-02/coronavirus-ocean-swimming-surfing-safe-beaches-los-angeles\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nPeople love to act like everything about Covid was known. Hindsight is 20-20 and a publish date of April 2 2020 is like a week and a half after everything shutdown. You air in the side of caution when you don't know what something is capable of and in this case luckily she was wrong and overly cautious"], ["377017", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 83, "C_M", "Oct 12, 2025", "2025-10-12T19:42:42-0400", "Dirk said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            People love to act like everything about Covid was known. Hindsight is 20-20 and a publish date of April 2 2020 is like a week and a half after everything shutdown. You air in the side of caution when you don't know what something is capable of and in this case luckily she was wrong and overly cautious\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nEverything about COVID was known, including that it was airborne and not droplet, which is why Dr. Fauci initially scoffed at the idea of masks. Believing otherwise is naive.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn regards to the article featuring Ms. Prather, I can remember my pulmonology associates discussing how she was irresponsibly fear mongering.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nBUT to her credit she did get her name in the paper with terrifying fake \"science\" and helped keep us off the beaches.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd for that, we thank her."], ["380095", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 84, "XXX", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T10:13:01-0400", "170 mph winds, 13' storm surge in Jamaica due to Hurricane Melissa. Unless it's more fake news and fairy science. Maybe they're staging it in the same studio where they faked the moon landing?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["380119", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 85, "PeakMaster", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T11:54:03-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            170 mph winds, 13' storm surge in Jamaica due to Hurricane Melissa. Unless it's more fake news and fairy science. Maybe they're staging it in the same studio where they faked the moon landing?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nView attachment 99727\n\n\n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nA hurricane in the Caribbean is not indicatives of any type of so-called climate change. It's hurricane season...just like it has been for centuries."], ["380135", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 86, "C_M", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T12:54:31-0400", "PeakMaster said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            A hurricane in the Caribbean is not indicatives of any type of so-called climate change. It's hurricane season...just like it has been for centuries.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWhen the media started sensationalizing hurricane season I wanted to research for myself.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat I found out was even semi-accurate hurricane data does not really exist pre-1958.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nand the data doesn't really start to get exceptionally accurate until the 1990s.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nEssentially, we really don't have a clue about the frequency or reliable numbers regarding the intensity of hurricane activity until the latter half of the 20th century (this despite the NOAA recognizing hurricane data back to 1861, which is quite absurd).\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThere is documentation of landfalls on the East Coast after white people began to inhabit the area but those are anecdotal accounts that are semi-reliable at best.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn the Columbian era of discovery there are accounts made by sailors about hurricanes that never struck land but I would likely classify those as \"probably completely unreliable.\"lol.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThat said, from soil specimens scientists think they have an idea of hurricane patterns over large stretches of time via sediment cores. Without going into detail, I would imagine some of these cores are more reliable than others.These show some incredibly long periods of inactivity during the Atlantic hurricane season as well as blips with spikes of activity."], ["380171", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 87, "XXX", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T15:24:48-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            When the media started sensationalizing hurricane season I wanted to research for myself.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat I found out was even semi-accurate hurricane data does not really exist pre-1958.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nand the data doesn't really start to get exceptionally accurate until the 1990s.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSo...\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nEssentially, we really don't have a clue about the frequency or reliable numbers regarding the intensity of hurricane activity until the latter half of the 20th century (this despite the NOAA recognizing hurricane data back to 1861, which is quite absurd).\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNot a clue?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nExcess heat is stored by the ocean.\n\n\n\n\"As the concentration of gases like carbon dioxide and methane in Earth's atmosphere \ncontinues to increase\n, predominantly as a result of human activities, so does the amount of solar energy (or heat) trapped by the Earth's climate system. The global ocean absorbs \nup to 91% of the excess solar energy\n that cannot be reflected back into space.\"\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMedia sensationalizing?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nImage processing. Refresh page to view"], ["380177", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 88, "PeakMaster", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T15:40:31-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Not a clue?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nExcess heat is stored by the ocean.\n\n\n\nAs the concentration of gases like carbon dioxide and methane in Earth's atmosphere \ncontinues to increase\n, predominantly as a result of human activities, so does the amount of solar energy (or heat) trapped by the Earth's climate system. The global ocean absorbs \nup to 91% of the excess solar energy\n that cannot be reflected back into space.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nBullshit"], ["380181", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 89, "XXX", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T15:46:49-0400", "\"Bullshit\"...\n\n\n\nContributes to greenhouse gasses but so does heifers excrement."], ["380223", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 90, "C_M", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T17:53:25-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Not a clue?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nExcess heat is stored by the ocean.\n\n\n\nAs the concentration of gases like carbon dioxide and methane in Earth's atmosphere \ncontinues to increase\n, predominantly as a result of human activities, so does the amount of solar energy (or heat) trapped by the Earth's climate system. The global ocean absorbs \nup to 91% of the excess solar energy\n that cannot be reflected back into space.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nThis has nothing to do with what I posted in regards to the recent sensationalization of hurricane season where factual inaccuracies are repeated on TV adnauseum.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnd that accurate storm records aren't even 100 years old.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nEven AGW promoting climate scientists have come out and said a lot of the stuff you hear in regards to hurricanes/climate change on the TV is just bullshit."], ["380225", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 91, "C_M", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T17:57:44-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            \"Bullshit\"...\n\n\n\nContributes to greenhouse gasses but so does heifers excrement.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nWhat would you suggest?"], ["380235", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 92, "sightpoint", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T18:11:34-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            What would you suggest?\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nEither you look a lot like him, or that's Terry Richardson in your avatar pic. Yuck."], ["380239", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 93, "C_M", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T18:24:46-0400", "sightpoint said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Either you look a lot like him, or that's Terry Richardson in your avatar pic. Yuck.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nA personal insult? What did I ever do to you? I don't even know you."], ["380253", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 94, "sightpoint", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T19:07:16-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            A personal insult? What did I ever do to you? I don't even know you.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nNo, not personal. I just think he's gross."], ["380255", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 95, "XXX", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T19:13:54-0400", "\"\nWhat would you suggest\"?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSerious question? You do what you can when you can and encourage others to do likewise.\n\n\n\nAvoid obscenity and derail conversations headed down that bunny trail.\n\n\n\nRecognize that the folks who work at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration have made a serious study of the topic and might know more than you. \n\n\n\nOld sailor stories and soil samples are great, good work, but they have little \nactionable \nbearing on a conversation about climate disruption and how it affects weather, including 'sensational' events like hurricanes."], ["380259", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 96, "SeniorGrom", "Oct 28, 2025", "2025-10-28T19:34:59-0400", "Bill Gates has now shifted priorities."], ["380291", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 97, "C_M", "Oct 29, 2025", "2025-10-28T22:46:02-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            \"\nWhat would you suggest\"?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nSerious question? You do what you can when you can and encourage others to do likewise.\n\n\n\nAvoid obscenity and derail conversations headed down that bunny trail.\n\n\n\nRecognize that the folks who work at the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration have made a serious study of the topic and might know more than you.\n\n\n\nOld sailor stories and soil samples are great, good work, but they have little \nactionable \nbearing on a conversation about climate disruption and how it affects weather, including 'sensational' events like hurricanes.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYes, serious question.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n IMO, agricultural civilization is the very problem and there's simply no getting away from it without radical revolution. If you disagree, you might as well resign yourself to understanding places like China and India will never stop shitting all over the planet and that attempts to reverse AGW, if it indeed exists, are simply futile.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI would suggest giving Theodore Kaczinski's  \nIndustrial Society and its Future \na read, he was quite on the money.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://a.co/d/9FVEsQK\n\n\n\nThen maybe some John Zerzan for more in depth reading:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/stores/autho...571d3e5-4543-4a94-9712-b0bf46fbba93&ccs_id=3dccb88b-b682-474c-8770-a2c1a57d5f04\n\n\n\nSomehow every time I go for a surf (usually 4 days a week) the lot is full of AGW believing environmentally conscious surfers driving gas guzzling trucks, vans, SUVs, and Sprinters riding surfboards glassed with polyester resin...if we're being honest 90% have zero reason to be driving these carbon-blasting vehicles. My Honda Fit and Prius work just fine for the purpose of getting boards to the beach and I'm probably surfing more than the average surfer. I'm guessing most of these cats are all talk and deep in their heart they think the claims made by climate scientists are just fear-mongering."], ["380299", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 98, "C_M", "Oct 29, 2025", "2025-10-28T22:58:02-0400", "SeniorGrom said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Bill Gates has now shifted priorities.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nYeah, he now says \"humans are resilient\" and climate change isn't going to wipe out the planet so let's focus on other stuff. Shouldn't be a surprise.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nPeople flying around the world in private jets while telling everyone the world is about to end due to carbon emissions...I mean, didn't that give anyone pause? The ultimate graveyard whistlers lol."], ["380303", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 99, "XXX", "Oct 29, 2025", "2025-10-28T23:33:39-0400", "C_M said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Yes, serious question.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n IMO, agricultural civilization is the very problem and there's simply no getting away from it without radical revolution. If you disagree, you might as well resign yourself to understanding places like China and India will never stop shitting all over the planet and that attempts to reverse AGW, if it indeed exists, are simply futile.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI would suggest giving Theodore Kaczinski's  \nIndustrial Society and its Future \na read, he was quite on the money.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://a.co/d/9FVEsQK\n\n\n\nThen maybe some John Zerzan for more in depth reading:\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/stores/autho...571d3e5-4543-4a94-9712-b0bf46fbba93&ccs_id=3dccb88b-b682-474c-8770-a2c1a57d5f04\n\n\n\nSomehow every time I go for a surf (usually 4 days a week) the lot is full of AGW believing environmentally conscious surfers driving gas guzzling trucks, vans, SUVs, and Sprinters riding surfboards glassed with polyester resin...if we're being honest 90% have zero reason to be driving these carbon-blasting vehicles. My Honda Fit and Prius work just fine for the purpose of getting boards to the beach and I'm probably surfing more than the average surfer. I'm guessing most of these cats are all talk and deep in their heart they think the claims made by climate scientists are just fear-mongering.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nBlaming India and China without acknowledging the previous half century (plus) of degradation while promoting multi-billionaire Bezo's Amazon? OK, I've got it, carry on, next topic:\n\n\n\n\nhttps://www.\namazon\n.com \u203a shop \u203a used surfboard for sale\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nUsed Surfboard For Sale - Deals On Used Surfboard For Sale\n \n\n\n\n\nGet Deals and Low Prices On Used \nSurfboard\n \nFor\n \nSale\n At\n Amazon\n. Enjoy Great Deals and Discounts On an Array Of Products From Various Brands."], ["380309", "24125", "Global warming is fairy science", 100, "C_M", "Oct 29, 2025", "2025-10-29T00:10:05-0400", "XXX said: \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n            Blaming India and China without acknowledging the previous half century (plus) of degradation while promoting multi-billionaire Bezo's Amazon? OK, I've got it, carry on, next topic.\n        \n\n\nClick to expand...\n\n\n\n\nI didn't blame China and India - I simply said they will never do anything meaningful to reign in on pollution as they must continue to develop their economies, all the while the West is busy removing lanes of traffic in major thoroughfares to place bike lanes, allowing eBikes to run amok because they fit with green initiatives, banning the building of gas stations, banning gas stoves, etc etc\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nMy linking to books is not promoting Amazon - you can buy them wherever you want - they are simply a retailer featuring a summary and comprehensive collection of authors' work."]], "truncated": false, "filtered_table_rows_count": 185, "expanded_columns": [], "expandable_columns": [[{"column": "thread_id", "other_table": "threads", "other_column": "thread_id"}, null]], "columns": ["post_id", "thread_id", "thread_title", "post_number", "author_username", "post_date", "post_date_iso", "post_body"], "primary_keys": ["post_id"], "units": {}, "query": {"sql": "select post_id, thread_id, thread_title, post_number, author_username, post_date, post_date_iso, post_body from posts where \"thread_id\" = :p0 order by post_id limit 101", "params": {"p0": "24125"}}, "facet_results": {}, "suggested_facets": [{"name": "post_date", "toggle_url": "http://www.surf-archive.org/surfing/posts.json?thread_id=24125&_facet=post_date"}], "next": "380309", "next_url": "http://www.surf-archive.org/surfing/posts.json?thread_id=24125&_next=380309", "private": false, "allow_execute_sql": true, "query_ms": 42.755789998409455, "license": "Public Domain"}